Re: So, after Carney missed that XP....
 

Depending on how Hartly looks in pratice would determine if I would start him. I guess it would not hurt to give him some game kicks. He is probably the saints starting kicker for the future. We all know Carney probably wont be back next year.

Re: So, after Carney missed that XP....
 

I understand where you are going with this post
The game was on the line and it was a missed kick
but from what I could see the hold was slow and sloppy and as a direct result of that happening it looked like he had to studded-steep (hesitate) just before he kicked it
and the defender got his hands on it

can't blame this one him alone
:boohoo:

Re: So, after Carney missed that XP....
 

The problem I have with that, I don't care about the timing or the stutter-step.. If you have been kicking footballs for a living for 20+ years, you should be able to easily kick that ball high on a straight line even if the ball is on the ground. And you don't need 3-4 steps.. your leg should be strong enough for that kick from a standing position.

I know because I could do it.

Re: So, after Carney missed that XP....
 

Whatever decision the Saints make on their starter, I hope that they keep them both on the team. There's a few teams that need a good kicker and both our kickers are good.

Re: So, after Carney missed that XP....
 

".. anyone still trusting him on do or die long FGs?

.. I for one, am glad Hartley is around. "

When he missed that conversion, I SWEAR I had a flashback of the missed extra point after the lateral fest in Jacksonville... If the Phins scored a TD and won after our boys came back all that way, I was going to take out a hit on Carney's butt!

I realize that Carney is one of ours and some of us are loyal to a fault, but enough is enough. Get Hartley out there already!

Re: So, after Carney missed that XP....
 

I still have no confidence that Hartley can make a do or die FG from any distance.