Why is our run game better?

rich006 · 10-23-2009, 05:41 AM

The cliche is you have to run the ball well to win, but the reality is you have to be winning to run the ball a lot. The exception is a team like Miami with a running game that is much better than their passing game.

bobad · 10-23-2009, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

So defense helps the running game... there's a novel idea.

The running game is also the defense's best friend. Keeps them rested.

If your defense is bad, you BETTER be able to run the ball, or you won't win many games.

I've always liked what a coach once said (maybe Bum or Glanville) "You pass to score and run to win the game".

darstep · 10-23-2009, 09:02 AM

Payton's commitment to the run - PERIOD! Last year he used to talk about balance in the post-game press conference and it was just talk. I also read the comments from some of you guys about the Saints having to abandon the run because we were soooo far behind and had to throw ourselves back into games...POO-POO! Payton was abandoning the running game when we were down 10-7 or 17-13. When we did run the ball it was in that single back set that just made me sick. Running was an after thought, as if 15 or so runs were scheduled just so the stats weren't totally lopsided to the pass. Somewhere towards the end of last season's win-lose see-saw ride, Payton seems to have gotten an epiphany and saw the advantage of having a stablizing running attack that promoted his already potent passing attack - and here we are. PT COULD have been doing what he did at the end of last year, on the front-side of last season. A simple DECISION to keep the offense deversified has made the offense even more unstoppable. Let me just throw in an 3rd-and-1, 4th-and-1 comment: it is just tough to run when there are 10 in the box, I don't care how poor the team is. I think our 3rd / 4th down percentages would change drastically if our sets looked like 3rd-and-4 play sets. The mere presentation of options, and the defense trying to cover them all, would yield better results and put players (backs, Brees, receivers, blockers, everybody) in better positions one-on-one to make plays and get 1 yard. Sometimes the pile just gets toooo big and no gap exists.

SmashMouth · 10-23-2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Does anybody think Gregg Williams aggressive defense had anything to do with it?

Yes ... he DID cut Jason David!

Danno · 10-23-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Yes ... he DID cut Jason David!

True, and the additions of Sharper, Greer and Porter, and moving Gay back to his nickel/dime roll helped a lot too.

In 2008, we rarely got out to 20 point leads, and we now have the confidence to run the ball more without fearing we need to score as fast and furiously as possible.

Teechauze · 10-24-2009, 10:01 AM

I think it's been the Payton's realization that we can with the running game. I seem to remember in the past him commenting how he prefers to pass the ball.
I just want to add that I'll be first one to admit that I was wrong about our O-line. Last year I was calling for changes but this year, I'm really impressed with their play.

10-23-2009, 05:41 AM	#11
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	Re: Why is our run game better? The cliche is you have to run the ball well to win, but the reality is you have to be winning to run the ball a lot. The exception is a team like Miami with a running game that is much better than their passing game.
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10-23-2009, 08:38 AM	#12
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: Why is our run game better? Originally Posted by foreverfan So defense helps the running game... there's a novel idea. The running game is also the defense's best friend. Keeps them rested. If your defense is bad, you BETTER be able to run the ball, or you won't win many games. I've always liked what a coach once said (maybe Bum or Glanville) "You pass to score and run to win the game".
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10-23-2009, 09:02 AM	#13
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Why is our run game better? Payton's commitment to the run - PERIOD! Last year he used to talk about balance in the post-game press conference and it was just talk. I also read the comments from some of you guys about the Saints having to abandon the run because we were soooo far behind and had to throw ourselves back into games...POO-POO! Payton was abandoning the running game when we were down 10-7 or 17-13. When we did run the ball it was in that single back set that just made me sick. Running was an after thought, as if 15 or so runs were scheduled just so the stats weren't totally lopsided to the pass. Somewhere towards the end of last season's win-lose see-saw ride, Payton seems to have gotten an epiphany and saw the advantage of having a stablizing running attack that promoted his already potent passing attack - and here we are. PT COULD have been doing what he did at the end of last year, on the front-side of last season. A simple DECISION to keep the offense deversified has made the offense even more unstoppable. Let me just throw in an 3rd-and-1, 4th-and-1 comment: it is just tough to run when there are 10 in the box, I don't care how poor the team is. I think our 3rd / 4th down percentages would change drastically if our sets looked like 3rd-and-4 play sets. The mere presentation of options, and the defense trying to cover them all, would yield better results and put players (backs, Brees, receivers, blockers, everybody) in better positions one-on-one to make plays and get 1 yard. Sometimes the pile just gets toooo big and no gap exists.
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10-23-2009, 07:07 PM	#14
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Why is our run game better? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Does anybody think Gregg Williams aggressive defense had anything to do with it? Yes ... he DID cut Jason David!

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Why is our run game better? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Yes ... he DID cut Jason David! True, and the additions of Sharper, Greer and Porter, and moving Gay back to his nickel/dime roll helped a lot too. In 2008, we rarely got out to 20 point leads, and we now have the confidence to run the ball more without fearing we need to score as fast and furiously as possible.

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10-24-2009, 10:01 AM	#16
Teechauze Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Loreauville, LA Posts: 19	Re: Why is our run game better? I think it's been the Payton's realization that we can with the running game. I seem to remember in the past him commenting how he prefers to pass the ball. I just want to add that I'll be first one to admit that I was wrong about our O-line. Last year I was calling for changes but this year, I'm really impressed with their play.