NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards

Papa Voodoo · 11-03-2009, 11:51 AM

They ran on the OUTSIDE. Ellis could not have changed that.

QBREES9 · 11-03-2009, 11:53 AM

Michael Turner was running like a man possessed. Is and understatement. It was like he was when he first showed up with the Falclowns.

CantonLegend · 11-03-2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

They ran on the OUTSIDE. Ellis could not have changed that.

the runs were not designed to go outside tho

it was clear that turner was trying to run up the middle and only bouncing outside when he realized the DEs were crashing in and breaking containment

SmashMouth · 11-03-2009, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Either way you slice it, him being out is going to hurt us. He hurt his MCL and will be out 4-6 weeks. We are really going to need him for the Pats game. Im also concerned with Carolina's run game. They have been running the ball well the last couple of weeks.

That is a concern .... that and the recent propensity for turnovers. We are looking much less invincible now.

SaintsFan1967 · 11-03-2009, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the runs were not designed to go outside tho

it was clear that turner was trying to run up the middle and only bouncing outside when he realized the DEs were crashing in and breaking containment

Agreed. When he did go up the middle Vilma met him in the hole. And Vilma won that battle. But Vilma and the others had a hard time bring him down in open space. And I see why Dunbar is just a backup. When he met Turner in the hole, Turner flat out ran over him. When will we get Scott F. back?

Danno · 11-03-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the runs were not designed to go outside tho

it was clear that turner was trying to run up the middle and only bouncing outside when he realized the DEs were crashing in and breaking containment

Good point. Not having our best DT affects the entire line.

Having Ellis may have allowed our D-line to play a bit wider, or those runs clogged up the gut may have become tackles, instead of Turner bouncing it outside.

And you can't deny Ellis's penetration disrupting the play from the start, not allowing the play to develop as easily, we probably didn't shift and stunt as much as we would had Ellis been in, and you can't ignore what his leadership brings to the entire line.

Yes the DE's (Charles slo-mo Grant in particular) certainly played badly, but not having Ellis affected the entire D-line.

Papa Voodoo · 11-03-2009, 01:53 PM

Grant looked like he was the guy getting the double teams since Ellis was out. Those runs weren't the D-Line. If they forced Turner outside on inside runs they did their job. The LB's and DB's took A LOT of bad angles and missed tackles for what should have been short gains.

woody · 11-03-2009, 02:25 PM

not saying they're terrible by any means, but i've always been dissapointed in grant and smith.

Rugby Saint II · 11-03-2009, 06:26 PM

Every since Ellis went out last week teams have been running better against us...I can really see the difference in pressure generated by our D line. There was just no way that Grant was going to come on strong and look good all year. He hasn't been conditioned to play hard the last couple of years and I think he's running out of motivation.

11-03-2009, 11:51 AM	#21
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards They ran on the OUTSIDE. Ellis could not have changed that.

11-03-2009, 11:53 AM	#22
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards Michael Turner was running like a man possessed. Is and understatement. It was like he was when he first showed up with the Falclowns.

11-03-2009, 11:55 AM	#23
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo They ran on the OUTSIDE. Ellis could not have changed that. the runs were not designed to go outside tho it was clear that turner was trying to run up the middle and only bouncing outside when he realized the DEs were crashing in and breaking containment

11-03-2009, 11:57 AM	#24
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Either way you slice it, him being out is going to hurt us. He hurt his MCL and will be out 4-6 weeks. We are really going to need him for the Pats game. Im also concerned with Carolina's run game. They have been running the ball well the last couple of weeks. That is a concern .... that and the recent propensity for turnovers. We are looking much less invincible now.

11-03-2009, 12:14 PM	#25
SaintsFan1967 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 109	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards Originally Posted by CantonLegend the runs were not designed to go outside tho it was clear that turner was trying to run up the middle and only bouncing outside when he realized the DEs were crashing in and breaking containment Agreed. When he did go up the middle Vilma met him in the hole. And Vilma won that battle. But Vilma and the others had a hard time bring him down in open space. And I see why Dunbar is just a backup. When he met Turner in the hole, Turner flat out ran over him. When will we get Scott F. back?
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11-03-2009, 12:22 PM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards Originally Posted by CantonLegend the runs were not designed to go outside tho it was clear that turner was trying to run up the middle and only bouncing outside when he realized the DEs were crashing in and breaking containment Good point. Not having our best DT affects the entire line. Having Ellis may have allowed our D-line to play a bit wider, or those runs clogged up the gut may have become tackles, instead of Turner bouncing it outside. And you can't deny Ellis's penetration disrupting the play from the start, not allowing the play to develop as easily, we probably didn't shift and stunt as much as we would had Ellis been in, and you can't ignore what his leadership brings to the entire line. Yes the DE's (Charles slo-mo Grant in particular) certainly played badly, but not having Ellis affected the entire D-line.

11-03-2009, 01:53 PM	#27
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards Grant looked like he was the guy getting the double teams since Ellis was out. Those runs weren't the D-Line. If they forced Turner outside on inside runs they did their job. The LB's and DB's took A LOT of bad angles and missed tackles for what should have been short gains.

11-03-2009, 02:25 PM	#28
woody 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 181	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards not saying they're terrible by any means, but i've always been dissapointed in grant and smith.
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11-03-2009, 06:26 PM	#29
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: NO Sedrick Ellis = MAJOR run yards Every since Ellis went out last week teams have been running better against us...I can really see the difference in pressure generated by our D line. There was just no way that Grant was going to come on strong and look good all year. He hasn't been conditioned to play hard the last couple of years and I think he's running out of motivation.