Belichick's 3-4 Defense

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

one thing i gotta comment on is the comparison to those TEs that you made about shockey

all of them are pass catching TEs and not very good at blocking......shockey is a much better blocker than any of them and runs a lot of delayed routes.....if a linebacker sees he is staying in to block, they will rush the ball....but when he sneaks out for a crossing route he will be wide open....that is the difference that shockey makes

you cant sit on him as a pass catcher because he will run right up to you, pancake you and move on up

as for the DBs

i watched leigh bodden a lot in cleveland and he got beat.....A LOT.....he and shawn springs are talented but not good enough to man up against colston, henderson, and meachem

and tyrone wheatley? c'mon.....its almost better to not cover meachem in the slot

bellichick might blitz.....but i dont expect it a lot.....brees is just too good and known around the league for getting away from pressure and tossing it to the mismatch in the secondary

as for your offense.....its very 1 dimensional.....run moss deep and cross welker over the middle or to the outside

if brady has time he'll go deep to moss......if he doesnt he'll toss it to welker underneath.....the running game is almost non existant until the pats have a lead.....and then its meaningless......but the pats wont get that safe lead in this game....no lead is safe against the saints

good analysis canton.. that is true about that pats passing game.. our offense is the best offense in the nfl. why? peyton always keeps the DC of all the teams we played guessing. and it was said by analysts on NFl and ESPN if im not mistaken that we do have the best offensive packages in the NFL.

SailorJ · 11-29-2009, 10:59 PM

Look, jn671 we have faced great offenses in the past. Colts, Rams, 07 Cowboys, and etc. Its not going to change anything. And you have to remember, its not the recievers in NO that we are worried about, but its the QB that makes these guys effective. But there is nothing like disrupting routes and playing tough, smart and physically football to crash a party on Monday Night. Now, in the past Bodden has been beat, but so have all players.. I mean, Harrison has been beat when he was in SD, Moss wasn't effective in Oakland, Vrabel was average in Pittsburgh and Ted Washington was good but not great with his former teams so that whole Bodden has been beat thing is meaningless with all due respect. It means nothing. Patriots aren't about the past, but about renewing and fine tunning talent that is visible, and that is potentially there. And Tyrone Wheatley did a good job against Reggie Wayne before he got hurt in that one game, showed me alot. Those young guys can cover and work together better than any secondary in the league back there. And as afr as no pressure often, well you don't know what to expect from our Game plan, thats the whole idea of how we do business. But pressure can be expected. And last but not least you say - Moss deep, Welker underneath, and run game non existent. Well as of late, the run game to me is back, and the passing plays are too, especially with the emergence of Welker clone Julian Edelman. So its more than what you think but oh well, who am I telling lol. Will be a good game and measuring stick for New Orleans.

CantonLegend · 11-29-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by SailorJ

Will be a good game and measuring stick for New Orleans.

and the trash talking begins

this will be a good way to tell if the pats can beat any good teams anymore

so far they havent done that this season

SailorJ · 11-29-2009, 11:12 PM

We have 3 rings, what do you guys have? Lucky you have an offense that was able to come back in some of those games. But that crap will not work against us. Been in too many big games and have beaten too many big dogs for that.

Dasidreidia · 11-29-2009, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by SailorJ

We have 3 rings, what do you guys have?

BIG MISTAKE!

xan · 11-29-2009, 11:16 PM

Do you have a ring from the 2009/2010 season?

SailorJ · 11-29-2009, 11:17 PM

LOL, Great story this year but reality will hit tommorow night. And no ring for this season yet but we will. Fred Taylor will get him one, especially having never been to a probowl. Moss you know will def get him one along with Seau barely missed it back in 07.

CantonLegend · 11-29-2009, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by SailorJ

We have 3 rings, what do you guys have? Lucky you have an offense that was able to come back in some of those games. But that crap will not work against us. Been in too many big games and have beaten too many big dogs for that.

it only takes 1 post to hit home......i can see we got under your skin early and its not going to stop as long as you come back here

your team is 7-3 and should be worse.....you beat the bills by 1

we have won every game except 1 by double digit points.....the rams coming off a bye week

the patriots do nothing more than pass the ball 40 times a game

that will not win against the most oportunistic defense in the league

we average 3 turnovers per game on defense and have more INTs than any team through 11 weeks and are 2nd without playing this week yet....the bills have 1 more after intercepting chad henne 3 times today

the patriots defense is not #1 in anything....but really it doesnt matter what rank your defense is because we laid a big ass 48 burger on the #1 defense in week 6

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by SailorJ

We have 3 rings, what do you guys have? Lucky you have an offense that was able to come back in some of those games. But that crap will not work against us. Been in too many big games and have beaten too many big dogs for that.

you guys have 3 rings? what happened to "Patriots aren't about the past?" you bring up the ring thing? i thought it doesnt matter? the game is tomorrow just be ready.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

it only takes 1 post to hit home......i can see we got under your skin early and its not going to stop as long as you come back here

your team is 7-3 and should be worse.....you beat the bills by 1

we have won every game except 1 by double digit points.....the rams coming off a bye week

the patriots do nothing more than pass the ball 40 times a game

that will not win against the most oportunistic defense in the league

we average 3 turnovers per game on defense and have more INTs than any team through 11 weeks and are 2nd without playing this week yet....the bills have 1 more after intercepting chad henne 3 times today

the patriots defense is not #1 in anything....but really it doesnt matter what rank your defense is because we laid a big ass 48 burger on the #1 defense in week 6

ahahhahaa

11-29-2009, 10:52 PM	#11
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Belichick's 3-4 Defense Originally Posted by CantonLegend one thing i gotta comment on is the comparison to those TEs that you made about shockey all of them are pass catching TEs and not very good at blocking......shockey is a much better blocker than any of them and runs a lot of delayed routes.....if a linebacker sees he is staying in to block, they will rush the ball....but when he sneaks out for a crossing route he will be wide open....that is the difference that shockey makes you cant sit on him as a pass catcher because he will run right up to you, pancake you and move on up as for the DBs i watched leigh bodden a lot in cleveland and he got beat.....A LOT.....he and shawn springs are talented but not good enough to man up against colston, henderson, and meachem and tyrone wheatley? c'mon.....its almost better to not cover meachem in the slot bellichick might blitz.....but i dont expect it a lot.....brees is just too good and known around the league for getting away from pressure and tossing it to the mismatch in the secondary as for your offense.....its very 1 dimensional.....run moss deep and cross welker over the middle or to the outside if brady has time he'll go deep to moss......if he doesnt he'll toss it to welker underneath.....the running game is almost non existant until the pats have a lead.....and then its meaningless......but the pats wont get that safe lead in this game....no lead is safe against the saints good analysis canton.. that is true about that pats passing game.. our offense is the best offense in the nfl. why? peyton always keeps the DC of all the teams we played guessing. and it was said by analysts on NFl and ESPN if im not mistaken that we do have the best offensive packages in the NFL.

11-29-2009, 10:59 PM	#12
SailorJ Rookie Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	Re: Belichick's 3-4 Defense Look, jn671 we have faced great offenses in the past. Colts, Rams, 07 Cowboys, and etc. Its not going to change anything. And you have to remember, its not the recievers in NO that we are worried about, but its the QB that makes these guys effective. But there is nothing like disrupting routes and playing tough, smart and physically football to crash a party on Monday Night. Now, in the past Bodden has been beat, but so have all players.. I mean, Harrison has been beat when he was in SD, Moss wasn't effective in Oakland, Vrabel was average in Pittsburgh and Ted Washington was good but not great with his former teams so that whole Bodden has been beat thing is meaningless with all due respect. It means nothing. Patriots aren't about the past, but about renewing and fine tunning talent that is visible, and that is potentially there. And Tyrone Wheatley did a good job against Reggie Wayne before he got hurt in that one game, showed me alot. Those young guys can cover and work together better than any secondary in the league back there. And as afr as no pressure often, well you don't know what to expect from our Game plan, thats the whole idea of how we do business. But pressure can be expected. And last but not least you say - Moss deep, Welker underneath, and run game non existent. Well as of late, the run game to me is back, and the passing plays are too, especially with the emergence of Welker clone Julian Edelman. So its more than what you think but oh well, who am I telling lol. Will be a good game and measuring stick for New Orleans.
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11-29-2009, 11:05 PM	#13
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Belichick's 3-4 Defense Originally Posted by SailorJ Will be a good game and measuring stick for New Orleans. and the trash talking begins this will be a good way to tell if the pats can beat any good teams anymore so far they havent done that this season

11-29-2009, 11:12 PM	#14
SailorJ Rookie Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	Re: Belichick's 3-4 Defense We have 3 rings, what do you guys have? Lucky you have an offense that was able to come back in some of those games. But that crap will not work against us. Been in too many big games and have beaten too many big dogs for that.
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Dasidreidia 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Charlotte (Kill me), but born in Gretna. Posts: 721	Re: Belichick's 3-4 Defense Originally Posted by SailorJ We have 3 rings, what do you guys have? BIG MISTAKE!

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11-29-2009, 11:17 PM	#17
SailorJ Rookie Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	Re: Belichick's 3-4 Defense LOL, Great story this year but reality will hit tommorow night. And no ring for this season yet but we will. Fred Taylor will get him one, especially having never been to a probowl. Moss you know will def get him one along with Seau barely missed it back in 07.
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11-29-2009, 11:27 PM	#18
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Belichick's 3-4 Defense Originally Posted by SailorJ We have 3 rings, what do you guys have? Lucky you have an offense that was able to come back in some of those games. But that crap will not work against us. Been in too many big games and have beaten too many big dogs for that. it only takes 1 post to hit home......i can see we got under your skin early and its not going to stop as long as you come back here your team is 7-3 and should be worse.....you beat the bills by 1 we have won every game except 1 by double digit points.....the rams coming off a bye week the patriots do nothing more than pass the ball 40 times a game that will not win against the most oportunistic defense in the league we average 3 turnovers per game on defense and have more INTs than any team through 11 weeks and are 2nd without playing this week yet....the bills have 1 more after intercepting chad henne 3 times today the patriots defense is not #1 in anything....but really it doesnt matter what rank your defense is because we laid a big ass 48 burger on the #1 defense in week 6
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11-29-2009, 11:29 PM	#20
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Belichick's 3-4 Defense Originally Posted by CantonLegend it only takes 1 post to hit home......i can see we got under your skin early and its not going to stop as long as you come back here your team is 7-3 and should be worse.....you beat the bills by 1 we have won every game except 1 by double digit points.....the rams coming off a bye week the patriots do nothing more than pass the ball 40 times a game that will not win against the most oportunistic defense in the league we average 3 turnovers per game on defense and have more INTs than any team through 11 weeks and are 2nd without playing this week yet....the bills have 1 more after intercepting chad henne 3 times today the patriots defense is not #1 in anything....but really it doesnt matter what rank your defense is because we laid a big ass 48 burger on the #1 defense in week 6 ahahhahaa