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SailorJ 11-29-2009 09:49 PM

Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
Everyone knows about Wes Welker, the historic and ready breaking slot reciever. And to me, the greatest slot reciever of all time but Julian Edelman is showing that he wants to become that next Welker. Kind of like how Reggie Wayne shadowed Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison - Reggie Wayne .... Wes Welker - Julian Edelman. So obviously, you cannot just worry about Welker but you have to contend with Edelman as well.

CantonLegend 11-29-2009 09:52 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by SailorJ (Post 179442)
Everyone knows about Wes Welker, the historic and ready breaking slot reciever. And to me, the greatest slot reciever of all time but Julian Edelman is showing that he wants to become that next Welker. Kind of like how Reggie Wayne shadowed Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison - Reggie Wayne .... Wes Welker - Julian Edelman. So obviously, you cannot just worry about Welker but you have to contend with Edelman as well.

not an issue

welker and moss have a combined 142 receptions

the rest of the team? 128 receptions

your team throws the ball to 2 guys....the other receivers have garbage yardage.....im not worried about it and gregg williams shouldnt be either

jn671 11-29-2009 09:55 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by SailorJ (Post 179442)
Everyone knows about Wes Welker, the historic and ready breaking slot reciever. And to me, the greatest slot reciever of all time but Julian Edelman is showing that he wants to become that next Welker. Kind of like how Reggie Wayne shadowed Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison - Reggie Wayne .... Wes Welker - Julian Edelman. So obviously, you cannot just worry about Welker but you have to contend with Edelman as well.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. your offense is based around three STUD players. Brady, welker, and moss. the only reason why Edelman gets yardage? because other teams are too concerned with moss and welker. maybe he may be the next "welker" but i feel he is jsut having a lucky break. look our for lance moore. thats all i gotta say.

CantonLegend 11-29-2009 10:00 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 179445)
not an issue

welker and moss have a combined 142 receptions

the rest of the team? 128 receptions

your team throws the ball to 2 guys....the other receivers have garbage yardage.....im not worried about it and gregg williams shouldnt be either

not to mention......our offense

our leading receiver is marques colston with 44 receptions
followed by
jeremy shockey with 39
devery henderson with 31
reggie bush with 29
and pierre thomas with 17

then our next receiver....has 16 catches....with 6 TDs and averages over 20 yards per catch

can you guess who that is without looking?

i'll tell you what....hes never brees' first option until after the play starts.....then hes the open man

SailorJ 11-29-2009 10:09 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
Lance Moore is good but not great, a product of Brees
Colston is definitely good but can be stopped (We've seen TO, Hine's Ward, Chad Johnson, Fitz and Bolden in the past.. they've been shut down)
Meachem beats everyone because they simply because teams try and over match for some reason..
Reggie - we know he is a slash guy but he is not what he was at USC
And we will not allow the rushing game to beat us. Especially when it is not the strength of the team. And in NE, we are not about numbers and who has been catching what. It can vary because Tom finds the open man, and Edelman has been proving alot so I'm sure he will be in the mix with Moss, Faulk, Welker, Watson - speaking of Watson, who will match up with him and his speed. You aleady have Moss, and Welker, what about when they are all on the field at the same time? And Moss does play the slot some time, with Welker on the edge. We will get our yards, ground and air. Its just the way it is to be honest. The challenge will be airing it our against our defense I think.

jn671 11-29-2009 10:22 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by SailorJ (Post 179454)
Lance Moore is good but not great, a product of Brees
Colston is definitely good but can be stopped (We've seen TO, Hine's Ward, Chad Johnson, Fitz and Bolden in the past.. they've been shut down)
Meachem beats everyone because they simply because teams try and over match for some reason..
Reggie - we know he is a slash guy but he is not what he was at USC
And we will not allow the rushing game to beat us. Especially when it is not the strength of the team. And in NE, we are not about numbers and who has been catching what. It can vary because Tom finds the open man, and Edelman has been proving alot so I'm sure he will be in the mix with Moss, Faulk, Welker, Watson - speaking of Watson, who will match up with him and his speed. You aleady have Moss, and Welker, what about when they are all on the field at the same time? And Moss does play the slot some time, with Welker on the edge. We will get our yards, ground and air. Its just the way it is to be honest. The challenge will be airing it our against our defense I think.

first of all.. moss and welker are a product of tom. dont you think? moss was going down until he was acquired by the pats and welker same thing. what do oyu mean by people trying to over match? and rushing is not the strength of our team? our strength is balanced. our offense is the meaning of what an offense is. run the ball and pass the ball. we are the one of the most, if not the most balanced offense in the nfl. so you cannot say our run is not our strength because obviously both our run and pass and our oppurtunistic defense backing us up. Colston is one of the best in the Nfl. i cannot say he is the best like every player in the NFL they have their bad games. just like brady did in the beggining of the season. and what your are saying about not being about numbers? belichic goes on 4th down ever so often. what does that mean to you? and then its backfired on you guys last week. and watson? fast yes but not a great blocker nor route runner. the only thing i can remember about watson was that touchdown saving play a couple of years ago. Faulk is good but he usually is used in pass situations and is usually running middle screens or in the flats. when moss plays the slot its usually a play for him to run out into the edges like a flag but he goes deep like a deep flag. welker jsut runs a dig or runs in the middle or a hitch and go. your offense is too 1 dimensional like what canton said. rest your case here i got all the details on your pats man. beleive i like the pats but for this game my saints are gonna dominate. and p.s. your run game is non-existent considering the last few games.

SailorJ 11-29-2009 10:33 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
1. Thats exactly what I said, rushing is NOT the strength our your team
2. Moss, Welker are just plain out great talent. Just ask Matt Cassel. And its not that Moss was in Oak but it was his desire
3. Tom made Branch an MVP and probowler, and made Givens, Troy Brown and Patten nearly impossible to cover
4. You guys want to run the ball but you are still a passing team.
5. Colston is one of the best in the NFL, but not a T.O in his prime, Issac Bruce in his prime, Torry Holt in his prime, or Hines in his prime, or Ocho Cinco in his prime or a Marvin in his prime.. all of who we've faced.
6. Brady came back from an infection and horrific injury, missed an entire year and is still the best in the game or in the top 2.
7. A very good route runner in Watson but we distribute the ball so he doesn't get the stats.
8. My point, we were up on Indy and had them beat, they won with 13 seconds left so all we had to do is punt and the game would've been over.. but we are smarter from our mistakes
9. Welker and Tom have there own routes at times and can extend the play, Moss can hit you over the top, on the outside or the middle. Doesn't matter. Not just what teams give us, but its also that we just take it and get the first down.
10. Don't let things foul you. We can play run and smashmouth with anybody and if you think I BSing then you go right ahead and see for yourself tommorow night. We have the line, the patience and power to do so if we choose.

CantonLegend 11-29-2009 10:34 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by SailorJ (Post 179454)
And we will not allow the rushing game to beat us. Especially when it is not the strength of the team.

not the strength of our team?

our rushing offense is ranked 4th in the league compared to our passing offense that is 6th

dont listen to the media.....this isnt brees vs brady...this is the saints vs brady

Dasidreidia 11-29-2009 10:36 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by SailorJ (Post 179469)
8. My point, we were up on Indy and had them beat, they won with 13 seconds left so all we had to do is punt and the game would've been over.. but we are smarter from our mistakes

You would have lost if you had punted. You were playing against Peyton Manning. 20 yards or 70 yards, it makes no difference to Peyton. Your offense failed to execute when they needed to.

CantonLegend 11-29-2009 10:37 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by SailorJ (Post 179469)
1. Thats exactly what I said, rushing is NOT the strength our your team
2. Moss, Welker are just plain out great talent. Just ask Matt Cassel. And its not that Moss was in Oak but it was his desire
3. Tom made Branch an MVP and probowler, and made Givens, Troy Brown and Patten nearly impossible to cover
4. You guys want to run the ball but you are still a passing team.
5. Colston is one of the best in the NFL, but not a T.O in his prime, Issac Bruce in his prime, Torry Holt in his prime, or Hines in his prime, or Ocho Cinco in his prime or a Marvin in his prime.. all of who we've faced.
6. Brady came back from an infection and horrific injury, missed an entire year and is still the best in the game or in the top 2.
7. A very good route runner in Watson but we distribute the ball so he doesn't get the stats.
8. My point, we were up on Indy and had them beat, they won with 13 seconds left so all we had to do is punt and the game would've been over.. but we are smarter from our mistakes
9. Welker and Tom have there own routes at times and can extend the play, Moss can hit you over the top, on the outside or the middle. Doesn't matter. Not just what teams give us, but its also that we just take it and get the first down.
10. Don't let things foul you. We can play run and smashmouth with anybody and if you think I BSing then you go right ahead and see for yourself tommorow night. We have the line, the patience and power to do so if we choose.

point 1

we score 5 TDs a game.....try and stop us

jn671 11-29-2009 10:38 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 179470)
not the strength of our team?

our rushing offense is ranked 4th in the league compared to our passing offense that is 6th

dont listen to the media.....this isnt brees vs brady...this is the saints vs brady

canton idk if its me but this guy is eating his words.

SailorJ 11-29-2009 10:40 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
It did make a difference bacause it took them a good while to score. And Peyton had a very short field. Thats asking alot from any defense to defend with Peyton going less then half the field. But as you can see when we had him back in his territory we were picking him off. And if Maroney hadn't fumbled, game over anyway so the point? We will take care of them later on anyway, but tmmorow its about bringing you guys back to reality. That high bubble that you all are on now without anything in the past to back that up. No rings, playoff wins or anything. And ranked 4th whatever, still not the STRENGTH of your team. See, can't even pay attention to detail like our team can.

Dasidreidia 11-29-2009 10:41 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by sailorj (Post 179476)
it did make a difference bacause it took them a good while to score. And peyton had a very short field. Thats asking alot from any defense to defend with peyton going less then half the field. But as you can see when we had him back in his territory we were picking him off. And if maroney hadn't fumbled, game over anyway so the point? We will take care of them later on anyway, but tmmorow its about bringing you guys back to reality. That high bubble that you all are on now without anything in the past to back that up. No rings, playoff wins or anything. And ranked 4th whatever, still not the strength of your team. See, can't even pay attention to detail like our team can.

tomorrow! T-o-m-o-r-r-o-w!

SailorJ 11-29-2009 10:44 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
Bring it on! lol

jn671 11-29-2009 10:47 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
1. Thats exactly what I said, rushing is NOT the strength our your team
Lol you've got to be kidding me.
2. Moss, Welker are just plain out great talent. Just ask Matt Cassel. And its not that Moss was in Oak but it was his desire
this statement makes no sense.
3. Tom made Branch an MVP and probowler, and made Givens, Troy Brown and Patten nearly impossible to cover
Idk if i agree with you all the way
4. You guys want to run the ball but you are still a passing team.
ok again like in number one you've got to be kidding me.
5. Colston is one of the best in the NFL, but not a T.O in his prime, Issac Bruce in his prime, Torry Holt in his prime, or Hines in his prime, or Ocho Cinco in his prime or a Marvin in his prime.. all of who we've faced.
colston's a 7th round pick.. look what he turned out to be. dont tell me a guy picked in the 7th round aside from all those other first round picks are any better. and plus he was injured last year. so i dont think last year even counts.
6. Brady came back from an infection and horrific injury, missed an entire year and is still the best in the game or in the top 2.
Umm idk but i think drew was hurt and he is the best QB in the last 4 years. and im sorry but peyton and drew are top 2.
7. A very good route runner in Watson but we distribute the ball so he doesn't get the stats.
ummmmmmmmm.. ahhaha sorry cant say much about him. havent heard him in a while.
8. My point, we were up on Indy and had them beat, they won with 13 seconds left so all we had to do is punt and the game would've been over.. but we are smarter from our mistakes
well you guys go for it on 4th down so idk if that lost finally got to billichick
9. Welker and Tom have there own routes at times and can extend the play, Moss can hit you over the top, on the outside or the middle. Doesn't matter. Not just what teams give us, but its also that we just take it and get the first down.
ok so i can say all the receivers run their own routh with drew.
10. Don't let things foul you. We can play run and smashmouth with anybody and if you think I BSing then you go right ahead and see for yourself tommorow night. We have the line, the patience and power to do so if we choose.
ok i wont let it foul me. and i hope you guys can play run cause i barely saw any if any at all.

CantonLegend 11-29-2009 10:53 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by SailorJ (Post 179476)
It did make a difference bacause it took them a good while to score. And Peyton had a very short field. Thats asking alot from any defense to defend with Peyton going less then half the field. But as you can see when we had him back in his territory we were picking him off. And if Maroney hadn't fumbled, game over anyway so the point? We will take care of them later on anyway, but tmmorow its about bringing you guys back to reality. That high bubble that you all are on now without anything in the past to back that up. No rings, playoff wins or anything. And ranked 4th whatever, still not the STRENGTH of your team. See, can't even pay attention to detail like our team can.

how can you say its not the strength of our team when we are better at running than passing

i hate when people pretend like im not reading their posts.....i read every word

you think passing is our strength because of drew

we have passed the ball 328 times all from drew

we have ran the ball 324 times all from different players

just because it doesnt come from only 1 person doesnt mean it isnt effective

we have 3 running backs that can kill you through the air and ground at any given time

considering our average rushing attempt goes for 5.5 yards id say that we are very strong at running the ball

we have scored on the ground at least once every game since week 1

drew went 2 games in a row against the bills and jets without throwing a single TD pass

our rushing offense is just as deadly as any other in the league.....and it is without a doubt the reason we are so good this year

SailorJ 11-29-2009 10:54 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
1. It's true
2. Makes perfect since. Moss and Welker are so great that they still had the numbers with Cassel and took Cassel and went 11-5, with a QB that hasn't started since HS? lol you know exactly what I'm talking about.
3. Moss and Welker are great, but Tom is great as well who can also rise the talent of others up to his level
4. Without Brees airing it out, you would not be undefeated
5. I don't care what year counts or what pick he was, if you are good then you are good. Rice wasn't a first round pick, nor was Steve Smith from Carolina but they are and were great.
6. Thats how we like it in NE, keep it quite

jn671 11-29-2009 10:58 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by SailorJ (Post 179490)
1. It's true
2. Makes perfect since. Moss and Welker are so great that they still had the numbers with Cassel and took Cassel and went 11-5, with a QB that hasn't started since HS? lol you know exactly what I'm talking about.
3. Moss and Welker are great, but Tom is great as well who can also rise the talent of others up to his level
4. Without Brees airing it out, you would not be undefeated
5. I don't care what year counts or what pick he was, if you are good then you are good. Rice wasn't a first round pick, nor was Steve Smith from Carolina but they are and were great.
6. Thats how we like it in NE, keep it quite

the years before cassel took the qb positon tom made those two top tier receivers. they were good before tom but got better with tom. so the reason why cassel was good? becasue of those guys in essense with out moss and welker and NE's defense you guys woundn't have gone 11-5. and look at the post above yours. canton outlines it for you.

Dasidreidia 11-29-2009 11:00 PM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
I have to drive back up to school. I'll be back in about 2 hours to see how things turn out.

D_it_up 11-30-2009 01:09 AM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
I love it when another opponent's fans think they know our team better than we do. If it came down to having to choose RB's by committee, I would take our boys in a HEARTBEAT over 1st round bust Laurance Maroney, castaway Sammy Morris, over-the-hill and always hurt Fred Taylor, and Kevin Faulk. Kevin Faulk is the only RB on that team that worries me because of his versatility. We have THREE RB's that versatile. Sure Reggie hasn't been what many of us hoped he would be, but he is a difference maker on the field. Pierre Thomas has incredible field vision and a non-stop motor. And you better tell that front seven that Mike Bell isn't afraid to drop his shoulder and bust someone in the mouth. Ask Channing Crowder about that. I'll admit that the Saints haven't played a team like the Patriots, but The Patriots haven't faced a team with a buzzsaw of offensive balance like the Saints. They better come ready.

jn671 11-30-2009 02:33 AM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 179513)
I love it when another opponent's fans think they know our team better than we do. If it came down to having to choose RB's by committee, I would take our boys in a HEARTBEAT over 1st round bust Laurance Maroney, castaway Sammy Morris, over-the-hill and always hurt Fred Taylor, and Kevin Faulk. Kevin Faulk is the only RB on that team that worries me because of his versatility. We have THREE RB's that versatile. Sure Reggie hasn't been what many of us hoped he would be, but he is a difference maker on the field. Pierre Thomas has incredible field vision and a non-stop motor. And you better tell that front seven that Mike Bell isn't afraid to drop his shoulder and bust someone in the mouth. Ask Channing Crowder about that. I'll admit that the Saints haven't played a team like the Patriots, but The Patriots haven't faced a team with a buzzsaw of offensive balance like the Saints. They better come ready.

Haha nice input! Who dat!

Tobias-Reiper 11-30-2009 07:27 AM

Re: Wes Welker and Julian Edelman: "Twins"
 
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