FG Kickers

papz · 12-07-2009, 06:04 PM

I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a kicker in next year's draft. It's worked out well with Morestead... why not a kicker too.

neugey · 12-07-2009, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a kicker in next year's draft. It's worked out well with Morestead... why not a kicker too.

Hunter Lawrence (Texas) is clutch.

lynwood · 12-07-2009, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a kicker in next year's draft. It's worked out well with Morestead... why not a kicker too.

What's wrong with Hartley?

Budsdrinker · 12-07-2009, 07:17 PM

Hartley deserves a chance. He's 17-18 as a Saint and I can't hold missing that 58 yarder on that field against him.

MatthewT · 12-07-2009, 07:22 PM

I will never hold it against a guy for missing a 58 yard FG. Yes, in the past there seemed to be more guys who could nail those. I think part of it is guys really don't practice at the long ones anymore. The way the rules are written it's usually it's usually best to go for it on 4th down or try to pin the other team inside the 10 by punting. Missing a 50 yard plus FG, which even in the day was still a low percentage attempt, really puts the other team in excellent field position. I really believe if the rules reverted back to the way they were, we would probably see more long attempts, which would mean kickers would train better for the long ones.

No reason to get rid of Carney just yet, I believe he may be hurting a little right now, and given the field conditions it was probably better to go with Hartley. Carney has been very good this year and it would be in the Saints best interest to keep him around, at least if they can. At this point, with a playoff game on the line, I would rather see Carney jog out there to kick it.

Euphoria · 12-07-2009, 07:36 PM

Just a few years ago we expected the longest field goal record to fall like at any minute but now its like we are so far from it it wan't fall ever.

Kickers practice long kicks all the time even before a game to see how they will fair with the field conditions ect. Practice Hartley was taking 50 yard attempts before the Skins game. No one would fault him for missing a 58 but the point is it seemed every team could kick a 50 yarder now teams need to get to the 25 to be able to attempt a kick.

Budsdrinker · 12-07-2009, 07:41 PM

Do you think it has anything to do with the only use for kicking footballs? Back in Morten's days they could use older footballs that were broken in and not as hard. Maybe that's a factor.

papz · 12-07-2009, 08:12 PM

I'm not holding that 58 yarder against Hartley at all. I like Hartley and have been very comfortable watching him kick last season and now. With that said, it doesn't hurt to bring someone in here, whether drafting or free agency, to compete with him. I'm not trying to be spoiled but it would be nice to have a kicker with that extra juice in his leg. I didn't like Glenn being replaced with Morestead last draft, but it's worked out real well.

Boutte · 12-07-2009, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Do you think it has anything to do with the only use for kicking footballs? Back in Morten's days they could use older footballs that were broken in and not as hard. Maybe that's a factor.

That's what I was wondering.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-07-2009, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Just a few years ago we expected the longest field goal record to fall like at any minute but now its like we are so far from it it wan't fall ever.

Kickers practice long kicks all the time even before a game to see how they will fair with the field conditions ect. Practice Hartley was taking 50 yard attempts before the Skins game. No one would fault him for missing a 58 but the point is it seemed every team could kick a 50 yarder now teams need to get to the 25 to be able to attempt a kick.

MatthewT brings an excellent point. Just 3-4 years ago, the rules were changed in that a missed FG gives the opposing team the ball at the spot of the kick, not the LOS. The longer the FG is, the better the field position the opposing team gets should you miss the FG. So, coaches are more inclined to punt than try long field goals, unless it is the last play of the half/game.

12-07-2009, 06:04 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: FG Kickers I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a kicker in next year's draft. It's worked out well with Morestead... why not a kicker too.

12-07-2009, 06:09 PM	#12
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,719 Blog Entries: 13	Re: FG Kickers Originally Posted by papz I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a kicker in next year's draft. It's worked out well with Morestead... why not a kicker too. Hunter Lawrence (Texas) is clutch.

12-07-2009, 07:03 PM	#13
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: FG Kickers Originally Posted by papz I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a kicker in next year's draft. It's worked out well with Morestead... why not a kicker too. What's wrong with Hartley?

12-07-2009, 07:17 PM	#14
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: FG Kickers Hartley deserves a chance. He's 17-18 as a Saint and I can't hold missing that 58 yarder on that field against him.

12-07-2009, 07:22 PM	#15
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: FG Kickers I will never hold it against a guy for missing a 58 yard FG. Yes, in the past there seemed to be more guys who could nail those. I think part of it is guys really don't practice at the long ones anymore. The way the rules are written it's usually it's usually best to go for it on 4th down or try to pin the other team inside the 10 by punting. Missing a 50 yard plus FG, which even in the day was still a low percentage attempt, really puts the other team in excellent field position. I really believe if the rules reverted back to the way they were, we would probably see more long attempts, which would mean kickers would train better for the long ones. No reason to get rid of Carney just yet, I believe he may be hurting a little right now, and given the field conditions it was probably better to go with Hartley. Carney has been very good this year and it would be in the Saints best interest to keep him around, at least if they can. At this point, with a playoff game on the line, I would rather see Carney jog out there to kick it.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: FG Kickers Just a few years ago we expected the longest field goal record to fall like at any minute but now its like we are so far from it it wan't fall ever. Kickers practice long kicks all the time even before a game to see how they will fair with the field conditions ect. Practice Hartley was taking 50 yard attempts before the Skins game. No one would fault him for missing a 58 but the point is it seemed every team could kick a 50 yarder now teams need to get to the 25 to be able to attempt a kick.
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12-07-2009, 07:41 PM	#17
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: FG Kickers Do you think it has anything to do with the only use for kicking footballs? Back in Morten's days they could use older footballs that were broken in and not as hard. Maybe that's a factor.

12-07-2009, 08:12 PM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: FG Kickers I'm not holding that 58 yarder against Hartley at all. I like Hartley and have been very comfortable watching him kick last season and now. With that said, it doesn't hurt to bring someone in here, whether drafting or free agency, to compete with him. I'm not trying to be spoiled but it would be nice to have a kicker with that extra juice in his leg. I didn't like Glenn being replaced with Morestead last draft, but it's worked out real well.

12-07-2009, 08:22 PM	#19
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: FG Kickers Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Do you think it has anything to do with the only use for kicking footballs? Back in Morten's days they could use older footballs that were broken in and not as hard. Maybe that's a factor. That's what I was wondering.

12-07-2009, 08:25 PM	#20
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: FG Kickers Originally Posted by Euphoria Just a few years ago we expected the longest field goal record to fall like at any minute but now its like we are so far from it it wan't fall ever. Kickers practice long kicks all the time even before a game to see how they will fair with the field conditions ect. Practice Hartley was taking 50 yard attempts before the Skins game. No one would fault him for missing a 58 but the point is it seemed every team could kick a 50 yarder now teams need to get to the 25 to be able to attempt a kick. MatthewT brings an excellent point. Just 3-4 years ago, the rules were changed in that a missed FG gives the opposing team the ball at the spot of the kick, not the LOS. The longer the FG is, the better the field position the opposing team gets should you miss the FG. So, coaches are more inclined to punt than try long field goals, unless it is the last play of the half/game.