Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

poydras' rant has some substance. Cos Jenkins is get seriously exposed for the long one. But my angle is that the Saints' secondary should be playing better as a group. Especially when we know we have a rookie, not playing at perhaps his best position, on the field.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Wow!! Why is it we always have to have a scapegoat??? why can't the loss be a team effort?? I mean why can't we blame bush for the loss too?? everyone always does, or hell lets blame it on Jason David! how about this Jenkins is a rookie with alot to learn he isn't very speedy so he will have to learn to rely on play instead of speed, the loss was a team effort defense played bad offense played bad and Brees was way off most of the night!


Its amazing to see this after only one loss, I am glad I wasn't a member here during the 05 season!! WOW, Looking alot like SR in here today (except I won't get banned to posting this!)

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I VOTE...... - REP:fuming:

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lol now now

the difference is that at the other place everybody would be jumping on to agree with him.......here we dont allow that garbage and it is very obvious in this thread how things like this are handled

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

This is weird. I don't remember replying to this thread. In fact I seem to remember putting this
response on another thread. Any hoo, maybe I was more drunk than I thought. Let me say this
now, I don't blame jenkins for the loss, but I do blame the defense for GIVING UP TOO MANY
BIG PLAYS. Now which one of u guys are going to disagree with that? Like I said in another
post, I don't mind losing, if they play a complete game, but they did not. The defense has got
to start showing up start to finish, instead of ONLY when the game is on the line.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Yes, they gave up some big plays, and they're definitely part of the reason we lost. Another big part is being minus three in the turnover battle. Can't do that and expect to win games. The offense struggled mightily until the fourth quarter. My point is, this was a team loss. Everybody on the team, offense, defense, special teams, had some part in losing this game. Singling out a rookie cornerback and saying it's his fault is moronic.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

this loss falls on the offense..after the first 14pts(which came after two , 3 and outs i think) the defense didnt play bad for having so many starters out

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

The line of players, plays, coaches and injuries to blame is so long that I've already moved on.

BEAT TAMPA BAY!!

AND BEAT THEM BAAAAAD.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

It was a couple players faults we can't blame just one. And we can use the saying "your only as strong as your weakest link" It's ok we can honestly say we loss more games on accident then other teams won on purpose

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

This thread really has no substance. In fact. I disagree about how Jenkins played. He got beat a few times bit that's expected. One he's a freaking rookie. Two he's playing against Dallas who is one of the top passing teams in the league. Three we got hardly no pressure last night and romo had all day to throw. And to say that we won't win with Jenkins is a rediculous statement.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Are you blaming the defense as well for only scoring 3 points in 3+ quarters?
Are you blaming the defense as well for holding the Cowboys to 3 points after Brees fumbled on the Saints 30?
Are you blaming the defense as well for Devery dropping that ball in the endzone?

Maybe you don't get this, but if my defense is pitching 3-and-outs every series, I start calling my offense more agressively, which is what the Cowboys did. after the first 2 series, the defense pretty much held the Cowboys, and started getting to Romo, but the Saints offense kept on going 3-and-out and turning the ball over.

I am not saying the defense played outstanding, but the offense was pathetic. The Saints offense scored 17 points and turned the ball over 3 times.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Jenkins is a ROOKIE !!!!!!!!!

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Jenkins is a safety..not a corner that has been obvious the past three weeks..and when Greer comes back we will see how bad he really played..i know he's a rookie but that shouldnt effect his speed..i hate seeing him get burned, but thats going to happen with speedy recievers...

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

I wish folks would stop chanting that mantra as if it makes everything OK. It doesn't.

Bottom line- he's a starting CB in the NFL on a team in playoff contention. It's not OK to give up big plays. He needs to cover the man first and look for opportunity to pick second, and it doesn't look like he's doing that lately.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

I'd rather him look like Jason David his rookie season instead of 5 years down the road when we really depend on him

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Well if the rookie thing doesn't do it for you then how about the fact that he is a 4th string CB forced into a starters role due to injuries?

Trial by fire. He played well in the beginning of the year mostly on special teams and should be a good CB for this team down the road.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

or Free Safety?

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

i always thought, with cb's u can usually tell early if a player has it or not. look at vontae davis, derrel revis, and tracy porter last year. they all played at a high level as a rookie starter. jenkins doesnt seem to have what it takes to cover a guy on the outside. start grooming him for safety now so he has some experience for when sharper is gone.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Dallas figureed it out; make Jenkins cover as much ground as you can in coverage. He can not cover speed. That was proven during his senior year. I still say he has all pro S written all over him. SS or FS.

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I told my son this after that first long td to teeth...Dallas watched film and saw..how to exploit Malcolm...Damn them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

I'm not sold on Jenkins becoming a safety. There's a reason that college QB's avoided throwing in his area.
So he didn't become the best CB in in the NFL in his first season. CB is the hardest position on defense to play. I think that he's smart and will grow to be a good CB in the future.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

No, I am blaming them for spotting 14 early points to the boys, in the first quarter, when they were playing so far off the line of scrimmage, that Sir Saint could have ran a few slants through there.

I agree that the whole team sucked as a group, but I just feel the defense stunk the worst. We make excuses for these guys every week. Injuries, he's a rookie, it's his first game back. Sounds like my mom, talking about my nephew, when he gets into trouble. :)

And just to drive it home here, I have been on the defense for the past month and a half. This is NOT the first time I have said something about it.
Go back and check my posts, or responses, and show me where I've been over praising this team at any point. Haven't done it.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

I don't care what you posted before. Whatever you posted before has nothing to do with the comment you are making right now on this game.

Let me ask you this,:you are saying the Saints defense "spotted" the Cowboys 14 points. Did the Cowboys recover 2 straight onside kicks?

Because I seem to remember the Saints getting the ball first and the Saints offense, the highest scoring offense in the league, going 3-and out, then in the next possession go 3-and-out again, then in the next possession but for a Reggie 29 yard run, go 3-and-out again. I saw the highest scoring offense score 3 points in 3+ quarters.

I also saw the Saints offense give away the ball 3 times, once inside the Saints 30, and drop passes in the endzone.

I also saw a coach who refused to leave someone in the backfield to help protect the QB.

I also saw a defense on the field for almost 40 minutes.


But anyway, what do I care what you think.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Late to the discussion, but Jenkins was no worse than any other player on defense Saturday night.

To compare him to Jason David is quite a stretch. They are nothing alike.

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Yeah, Jenkins is like 4 inches taller.

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lol..

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{But anyway, what do I care what you think.quote}

The most intelligent thing I've seen you post.

Chill out dude. Geez. Do u always get this emotional when someone doesnt agree with you? You don't like what I have to say, don't read it, or don't respond. Problem solved.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Jason David had really good speed, Jenkins has average speed

Jason David was not a physical CB, Malcolm is a big physical CB.

Jason David bit on double moves for 4 straight seasons, Malcolm is a rookie who should get better with time.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Jenkins can play two positions.

Gregg Williams drafted Jenkins.

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Maybe Ive been watching football "wrong" for the past twenty years. Is the offense supposed to stop the other team from scoring, or is it the defense? Is it the defense that's supposed to guard their end of the field, even if they are put in bad field position by a turnover? Or the offense? Blame goes every which a way, on this game, and no one did their job on either side of the field. I have my opinion, and I'm keeping it. Defense plays better, doesn't give up all of those long passes to Austin, and who knows.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

I get what you're saying, but, would you consider the 13 minute difference in "time of possession " last night the defense's fault or the offense for committing 3 turnovers and for basically being stagnant for 3 quarters?

The D was put in bad positions all night by the offense. When it was 14-0 Payton could still have controlled the game.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

I can't believe this thread is still alive. Is there anyway to bump a thread to the back??

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

I don't even remember who started this thread. Wasn't me. I thought the entire secondary sucked it up last night, not just Malcom. I will agree to disagree, and call it a night on this thread. Besides, Minnesota just clinched another loss, with Favre's interception. I guess we do get a Mulligan after all huh?

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Jenkins is a rookie who will get better. The team might not know yet if he will be a CB or FS.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Our hands are tied in this situation as we're forced to start Jenkins because Greer and Porter are out. It's obvious Jenkins is struggling out there... as he has the last 3 games now. It's not physical by any means, he's just not mentally all there during the game... which I think is reminiscent of Jason David and Josh Bullocks in that aspect. Let's just hope our D picks it back up and our guys coming back healthy for the playoffs. It'll allow Jenkins to go back to his dime/special team role where he was much more effective at the beginning of the year... until he shows he's ready enough for a bigger part of the defense.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

The whole team played bad Saturday night. Not enough pressure on Romo, yes Jenkins bit on a pump and was burned by Austin it happens to every db in the game. The whole team is to be blamed not just 1 individual. Because if you want to blame just 1 player I'll start with the dropped td pass to Devery which took away what could have been a momentum swing.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Malcolm Jenkins is more of what Robert Massey was when he got toasted by Flipper Anderson. Afterwards, Massey got it together and became All-Pro. Time will tell on what kind of player Jenkins would become after he had a "Flipper-like" experience from Miles Austin. Jason David was just another Elvis Patterson.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

I appreciate that. I could not have been more fervent that Jenkins was a FS and not a corner. I got into many debates over 40 times. It's good to be right sometimes.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

The loss was obviously not Jenkis fault. He is a rookie, but mark my words, he's not a CB. He is being put in a pretty tough situation, so I don't blame him or compare him to JD at all. He has made some SPECTACULAR plays for us this year on ST and a few good plays on D this year. I think he will be a Pro Bowl FS in time.

Having said that, Charles Grant is like a freaking apparition out there. He's either hurt or losing it.

Props to Vilma, Porter, and Will Smith for MANNING UP and playing a hell of a game.

Harper has the worst hands in our secondary. His dropped pick was just inexcuseable.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins=Jason David
 

Total agreement..i wont defend anybody that cant do thier job..but M.J is playing the wrong job..and will shine like a new set of guitar strings as a free safety..lol