Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints

papz · 12-31-2009, 04:53 PM

I don't see anything wrong with what Whitlock said or his rankings. He's saying the NFC is unpredictable and it could be anyone's game. He's rooting for the Eagles, whom he picked prior to the season. What's wrong with that?

As far as the rankings are concerned, if he had his top 5 that way, I don't have a problem with it. Peyton hands down is probably everyone's top pick. This league is all about "what have you done for me lately"... Rivers and Johnson have been tearing it up while Drew has been a little slump. I don't see why anyone would see that as a slap in the face towards Drew and Saints fans. Would it make that big of a difference if he was ranked 2nd or 3rd as opposed to 4th? There's no consolation prize. I don't see why there needs to be drama over this.

SaintPauly · 12-31-2009, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I don't see anything wrong with what Whitlock said or his rankings. He's saying the NFC is unpredictable and it could be anyone's game. He's rooting for the Eagles, whom he picked prior to the season. What's wrong with that?

As far as the rankings are concerned, if he had his top 5 that way, I don't have a problem with it. Peyton hands down is probably everyone's top pick. This league is all about "what have you done for me lately"... Rivers and Johnson have been tearing it up while Drew has been a little slump. I don't see why anyone would see that as a slap in the face towards Drew and Saints fans. Would it make that big of a difference if he was ranked 2nd or 3rd as opposed to 4th? There's no consolation prize. I don't see why there needs to be drama over this.

Don't get me wrong Papz, I agree with the unpredictable NFC. And my statements aren't completely directed towards him. My problem is with these "BANDWAGON SPORTS REPORTERS". That's right, bandwagon. It seems like whoever wins, week to week, all the sudden they all jump on, talking about how great they are, and how they are the team to beat. Just like when Arizona beat the holy heck outta Minnesota, the next day, "the team to beat in the NFC is Arizona, hands down!" Until they lost to San Francisco, the very next week, then all the sudden, "they are in trouble".

I just think alot of this analysis is not only a bag of crap, but completely unnecessary. That's why I have stopped watching ESPN as much, and turned to NFL Network. They do analysis, but they keep it within reason.

UK_WhoDat · 12-31-2009, 06:16 PM

You know what

the media ignore the obvious flaws in the pro format.

Jason Whitlock, sir, you are the media.

wouldn’t be a problem if professional sports leagues figured out a way to tie a significant portion of player salaries to victories

and also tie a significant portion of media pay to detailed factual serious thought provoking journalism

NFC playoffs will be totally unpredictable

meaning you can't predict the winners of the playoffs. Well nor can I.

I’ve never truly believed in the Saints

Feeling is mutual mate. And that was easy journalism wasn't it. No real reasons given, just that 'I don't believe'

Truth is he wants to see his early prediction get right.

BTW - did the guy explain his MVP ballot?

skymike · 12-31-2009, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Don't get me wrong Papz, I agree with the unpredictable NFC. And my statements aren't completely directed towards him. My problem is with these "BANDWAGON SPORTS REPORTERS". That's right, bandwagon. It seems like whoever wins, week to week, all the sudden they all jump on, talking about how great they are, and how they are the team to beat. ....

You nailed it. They're really no different than fashion/style reporters.

"oh the latest thing? Yes, its HOT!"

FrenzyFan · 01-01-2010, 09:04 AM

I'm having a hard time arguing with his statement that he never really believed in the Saints. How can I? There have been quite a few games this year where we only played good ball for half the game, or we got really lucky when it mattered most. While it was happening a lot of people said, "that's what good teams do" and I would agree with that. If you don't follow the Saints as much as we do, you might not feel the same way.

I would also offer that good teams don't fold down the stretch and that's exactly what our Saints have done for the last month. When it mattered and we needed the win, we couldn't pull it out. That's enough to cast doubt on our team for anyone who's not blinded by homerism.

Saint_LB · 01-02-2010, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

I would also offer that good teams don't fold down the stretch and that's exactly what our Saints have done for the last month. When it mattered and we needed the win, we couldn't pull it out.

I will offer that we needed to beat teams like Philly, NY, (both of them), Atlanta, and NE to prove to people that we are real and can beat teams with winning records...and to position ourselves to be able to rest at the end of the season while others scramble. (although all the scrambling is over, for the most part)

I don't see how we could have lost any games that mattered and still come out as number one seed. It would appear to me that we won all of the games that mattered up to this point.

FrenzyFan · 01-02-2010, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

I will offer that we needed to beat teams like Philly, NY, (both of them), Atlanta, and NE to prove to people that we are real and can beat teams with winning records...and to position ourselves to be able to rest at the end of the season while others scramble. (although all the scrambling is over, for the most part)

I don't see how we could have lost any games that mattered and still come out as number one seed. It would appear to me that we won all of the games that mattered up to this point.

That is some mean rationalization you got going on there. Hindsight makes you right, but prior to knowing that Minny would also fold down the stretch the Dallas game was important. We needed that win. We lost. Because we lost to Dallas and also because Minny lost that weekend, the Tampa game became important. We win that game against a 2-12 team and we own HFA. We lost again, but once again Minny choked against the pathetic Bears and we got HFA anyway. We backed into HFA, we didn't win it. We needed to have Minny help us (by choking as spectacularly as we did) to get HFA. We didn't win it.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-02-2010, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

That is some mean rationalization you got going on there. Hindsight makes you right, but prior to knowing that Minny would also fold down the stretch the Dallas game was important. We needed that win. We lost. Because we lost to Dallas and also because Minny lost that weekend, the Tampa game became important. We win that game against a 2-12 team and we own HFA. We lost again, but once again Minny choked against the pathetic Bears and we got HFA anyway. We backed into HFA, we didn't win it. We needed to have Minny help us (by choking as spectacularly as we did) to get HFA. We didn't win it.

FF it sounds like you're the one rationalizing. If we didn't win HFA, then exactly how do we have it? Would we have HFA if we were 6-9? or 3-12?

Every game a team plays in the regular season contributes to them making the playoffs and their playoff seeding. It's a rationalization to think that because the team didn't actually win the week that HFA was secured that securing HFA wasn't valid.

By all accounts the Saints should not have won either the Miami or Washington games, but they did. By all accounts they should have won last week. But they didn't.

The order of the record isn't important. If it were then only December wins would determine if you get into the playoffs. Wins in September, October, and November are just as valid. And in those months the Saints secured 13 wins to secure HFA.

It's all water under the bridge now. It doesn't matter how you get there. It only matters what you do when you get there.

And just to reiterate, "there" isn't what happens tomorrow. Whether the Saints win or lose, sit players or play them, play well or not, nothing about tomorrow's game is relevant to the overall discussion or goal. Tomorrow isn't a must win, a statement game, a "get the MoJo back", or whatever. It's completely, absolutely, and irrevocably irrelevant.

The only game that matters now is the one that happens the weekend of January 16th. The one that the Saints secured by winning 13 games this season. Which to remind everyone is a feat that this organization has never accomplished in its history.

The goal of any NFL organization is to win every playoff game it is in each season.

Playoff games are the only relevant games now. You only play regular season games to get into and get seeded for the playoffs. The Saints are already there.

SFIAH

Saint_LB · 01-02-2010, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

We didn't win it.

Wow...I coulda swore I read somewhere that the Saints had HFA throughout the playoffs...

Seriously...when it was all said and done...we did what we needed to do to be the # 1 seed. Disecting how we went about doing it is a little ticky-tacky, IMO. It's something we've never achieved before, so therefore, I am going to be proud of it and give them the benefit of the doubt on these last few games that, in the end, proved to be meaningless.

12-31-2009, 04:53 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints I don't see anything wrong with what Whitlock said or his rankings. He's saying the NFC is unpredictable and it could be anyone's game. He's rooting for the Eagles, whom he picked prior to the season. What's wrong with that? As far as the rankings are concerned, if he had his top 5 that way, I don't have a problem with it. Peyton hands down is probably everyone's top pick. This league is all about "what have you done for me lately"... Rivers and Johnson have been tearing it up while Drew has been a little slump. I don't see why anyone would see that as a slap in the face towards Drew and Saints fans. Would it make that big of a difference if he was ranked 2nd or 3rd as opposed to 4th? There's no consolation prize. I don't see why there needs to be drama over this.
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12-31-2009, 05:57 PM	#2
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints Originally Posted by papz I don't see anything wrong with what Whitlock said or his rankings. He's saying the NFC is unpredictable and it could be anyone's game. He's rooting for the Eagles, whom he picked prior to the season. What's wrong with that? As far as the rankings are concerned, if he had his top 5 that way, I don't have a problem with it. Peyton hands down is probably everyone's top pick. This league is all about "what have you done for me lately"... Rivers and Johnson have been tearing it up while Drew has been a little slump. I don't see why anyone would see that as a slap in the face towards Drew and Saints fans. Would it make that big of a difference if he was ranked 2nd or 3rd as opposed to 4th? There's no consolation prize. I don't see why there needs to be drama over this. Don't get me wrong Papz, I agree with the unpredictable NFC. And my statements aren't completely directed towards him. My problem is with these "BANDWAGON SPORTS REPORTERS". That's right, bandwagon. It seems like whoever wins, week to week, all the sudden they all jump on, talking about how great they are, and how they are the team to beat. Just like when Arizona beat the holy heck outta Minnesota, the next day, "the team to beat in the NFC is Arizona, hands down!" Until they lost to San Francisco, the very next week, then all the sudden, "they are in trouble". I just think alot of this analysis is not only a bag of crap, but completely unnecessary. That's why I have stopped watching ESPN as much, and turned to NFL Network. They do analysis, but they keep it within reason.
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12-31-2009, 06:16 PM	#3
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,001	Re: Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints You know what the media ignore the obvious flaws in the pro format. Jason Whitlock, sir, you are the media. wouldn’t be a problem if professional sports leagues figured out a way to tie a significant portion of player salaries to victories and also tie a significant portion of media pay to detailed factual serious thought provoking journalism NFC playoffs will be totally unpredictable meaning you can't predict the winners of the playoffs. Well nor can I. I’ve never truly believed in the Saints Feeling is mutual mate. And that was easy journalism wasn't it. No real reasons given, just that 'I don't believe' Truth is he wants to see his early prediction get right. BTW - did the guy explain his MVP ballot?

12-31-2009, 06:46 PM	#4
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Don't get me wrong Papz, I agree with the unpredictable NFC. And my statements aren't completely directed towards him. My problem is with these "BANDWAGON SPORTS REPORTERS". That's right, bandwagon. It seems like whoever wins, week to week, all the sudden they all jump on, talking about how great they are, and how they are the team to beat. .... You nailed it. They're really no different than fashion/style reporters. "oh the latest thing? Yes, its HOT!"

01-01-2010, 09:04 AM	#5
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints I'm having a hard time arguing with his statement that he never really believed in the Saints. How can I? There have been quite a few games this year where we only played good ball for half the game, or we got really lucky when it mattered most. While it was happening a lot of people said, "that's what good teams do" and I would agree with that. If you don't follow the Saints as much as we do, you might not feel the same way. I would also offer that good teams don't fold down the stretch and that's exactly what our Saints have done for the last month. When it mattered and we needed the win, we couldn't pull it out. That's enough to cast doubt on our team for anyone who's not blinded by homerism.
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01-02-2010, 04:58 AM	#6
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints Originally Posted by FrenzyFan I would also offer that good teams don't fold down the stretch and that's exactly what our Saints have done for the last month. When it mattered and we needed the win, we couldn't pull it out. I will offer that we needed to beat teams like Philly, NY, (both of them), Atlanta, and NE to prove to people that we are real and can beat teams with winning records...and to position ourselves to be able to rest at the end of the season while others scramble. (although all the scrambling is over, for the most part) I don't see how we could have lost any games that mattered and still come out as number one seed. It would appear to me that we won all of the games that mattered up to this point.
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01-02-2010, 05:50 AM	#7
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints Originally Posted by Saint_LB I will offer that we needed to beat teams like Philly, NY, (both of them), Atlanta, and NE to prove to people that we are real and can beat teams with winning records...and to position ourselves to be able to rest at the end of the season while others scramble. (although all the scrambling is over, for the most part) I don't see how we could have lost any games that mattered and still come out as number one seed. It would appear to me that we won all of the games that mattered up to this point. That is some mean rationalization you got going on there. Hindsight makes you right, but prior to knowing that Minny would also fold down the stretch the Dallas game was important. We needed that win. We lost. Because we lost to Dallas and also because Minny lost that weekend, the Tampa game became important. We win that game against a 2-12 team and we own HFA. We lost again, but once again Minny choked against the pathetic Bears and we got HFA anyway. We backed into HFA, we didn't win it. We needed to have Minny help us (by choking as spectacularly as we did) to get HFA. We didn't win it.
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01-02-2010, 06:54 AM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Check out what Jason Whitlock thinks about the Saints Originally Posted by FrenzyFan That is some mean rationalization you got going on there. Hindsight makes you right, but prior to knowing that Minny would also fold down the stretch the Dallas game was important. We needed that win. We lost. Because we lost to Dallas and also because Minny lost that weekend, the Tampa game became important. We win that game against a 2-12 team and we own HFA. We lost again, but once again Minny choked against the pathetic Bears and we got HFA anyway. We backed into HFA, we didn't win it. We needed to have Minny help us (by choking as spectacularly as we did) to get HFA. We didn't win it. FF it sounds like you're the one rationalizing. If we didn't win HFA, then exactly how do we have it? Would we have HFA if we were 6-9? or 3-12? Every game a team plays in the regular season contributes to them making the playoffs and their playoff seeding. It's a rationalization to think that because the team didn't actually win the week that HFA was secured that securing HFA wasn't valid. By all accounts the Saints should not have won either the Miami or Washington games, but they did. By all accounts they should have won last week. But they didn't. The order of the record isn't important. If it were then only December wins would determine if you get into the playoffs. Wins in September, October, and November are just as valid. And in those months the Saints secured 13 wins to secure HFA. It's all water under the bridge now. It doesn't matter how you get there. It only matters what you do when you get there. And just to reiterate, "there" isn't what happens tomorrow. Whether the Saints win or lose, sit players or play them, play well or not, nothing about tomorrow's game is relevant to the overall discussion or goal. Tomorrow isn't a must win, a statement game, a "get the MoJo back", or whatever. It's completely, absolutely, and irrevocably irrelevant. The only game that matters now is the one that happens the weekend of January 16th. The one that the Saints secured by winning 13 games this season. Which to remind everyone is a feat that this organization has never accomplished in its history. The goal of any NFL organization is to win every playoff game it is in each season. Playoff games are the only relevant games now. You only play regular season games to get into and get seeded for the playoffs. The Saints are already there. SFIAH
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