Saints VS Cardinals

UK_WhoDat · 01-11-2010, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by JoanieNTX

What he ^ said! It all comes down to who has the biggest "want to." Here's hoping our guys are hungry enough to go for the win!

Yep. But I think both teams will want it so much you can't tell the difference. It is down to errors, methinks. The Cards I think will play "fundamental" football. Saints will too in the main, so it is down to personnel and strategy. However, we have a wild card that on his day delivers - Bush. Welcome to the board BTW

TheOak · 01-11-2010, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

Yep. But I think both teams will want it so much you can't tell the difference. It is down to errors, methinks. The Cards I think will play "fundamental" football. Saints will too in the main, so it is down to personnel and strategy. However, we have a wild card that on his day delivers - Bush. Welcome to the board BTW

I do have to say that in the final 3-4 weeks of the regular season, the Saints changed their fundamental strategy for games. Our strategy became much more conservative (Morra-ish), and I believe this hurt us. We punted instead of going for it on 4th and feet, etc...

I understand the conservative approach on defense as we had a few off the street players. There was a lack of faith in those players in regards to taking opportunities and being able to capitalize on those opportunities.

McKenzie for an example. When he takes the field I cringe... Severely.. Each play is a gamble. He either intercepts or is burnt for a TD. More TD's than interceptions...

CantonLegend · 01-11-2010, 11:13 AM

i dont care how our defense plays......the difference between this game and the packers game is that we dont let drew get hit like green bays offensive line does

aaron rodgers is a great QB....and he does one thing that every other QB wishes they could do.....he holds the ball.....instead of forcing throws down the field, he holds the ball and takes the sack rather than the turnover

however.....drew doesnt get hit like rodgers does.....drew had 30 less sacks than rodgers and threw only 4 more INTs

while holding onto the ball may be more beneficial in the long term......in the short term it puts your team in a hole and rodgers doesnt throw the ball away

the cardinals defense cant keep us out of the endzone like they did for green bay.....we wont have to play from behind the entire game and that will contribute greatly to how the cardinals will have to play.....if we make them 1 dimensional then we win easily

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Green Bay came in with the #2 rated defense in the NFC. They couldn't figure out how to stop them.
What makes you think we will do a lot better?

I guess we can't do much worse.

Make that the #2 over-rated defense in the NFL. Don't forget that they faced the Lions and the Bears twice, as well as the Rams, Seahawks and Bucs. They gave up over 30 points six times this season, including the playoff loss.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2010, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I do have to say that in the final 3-4 weeks of the regular season, the Saints changed their fundamental strategy for games. Our strategy became much more conservative (Morra-ish), and I believe this hurt us. We punted instead of going for it on 4th and feet, etc...

I understand the conservative approach on defense as we had a few off the street players. There was a lack of faith in those players in regards to taking opportunities and being able to capitalize on those opportunities.

McKenzie for an example. When he takes the field I cringe... Severely.. Each play is a gamble. He either intercepts or is burnt for a TD. More TD's than interceptions...

That is why McKenzie is history. Our CB core is back at full strength and McKenzie was cut.

ScottF · 01-11-2010, 11:27 AM

crowd noise and some pressure will prevent Warner from having another career game. Key is we can't come out flat against Arizona like we did with Dallas.

Zona blew leads in this game and they gave up 500 yards at home. We win a shootout, but more likely our D holds them under 30.

Oh, and the media might not love us anymore, but Vegas does: Saints 7 point favorite

cargojon · 01-11-2010, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

crowd noise and some pressure will prevent Warner from having another career game. Key is we can't come out flat against Arizona like we did with Dallas.

Zona blew leads in this game and they gave up 500 yards at home. We win a shootout, but more likely our D holds them under 30.

Oh, and the media might not love us anymore, but Vegas does: Saints 7 point favorite

Zona has a history of almost giving away playoff games in which they have a big lead - see NFCCG last year vs. the Eagles as well as this one.

FrenzyFan · 01-11-2010, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Green Bay came in with the #2 rated defense in the NFC. They couldn't figure out how to stop them.
What makes you think we will do a lot better?

I guess we can't do much worse.

That's a key point right there. GB defense is MUCH better than ours. I asked a friend (and fellow fan) a question; "Will we score a TD every time we touch the ball?" The reason I asked should be obvious; because if the Cards play anything even close to like they did yesterday our defense will not stop them. We HAVE TO score a TD every time we touch it to keep up with them. Turnovers will decide this game.

Budsdrinker · 01-11-2010, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

That's a key point right there. GB defense is MUCH better than ours. I asked a friend (and fellow fan) a question; "Will we score a TD every time we touch the ball?" The reason I asked should be obvious; because if the Cards play anything even close to like they did yesterday our defense will not stop them. We HAVE TO score a TD every time we touch it to keep up with them. Turnovers will decide this game.

I don't think the middle of the field will be open on us like it was against GB. Hell I could have made some of those throws as open as the middle of the field was.

exile · 01-11-2010, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

That's a key point right there. GB defense is MUCH better than ours.

I'm not so sure about that. GB lived off of turnovers the entire year. +24 going into the Cards game. And suddenly when the turnovers didn't come often their defense looked awful.

I put money on our defense holding Arizona under 40.

01-11-2010, 11:01 AM	#11
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: Saints VS Cardinals Originally Posted by JoanieNTX What he ^ said! It all comes down to who has the biggest "want to." Here's hoping our guys are hungry enough to go for the win! Yep. But I think both teams will want it so much you can't tell the difference. It is down to errors, methinks. The Cards I think will play "fundamental" football. Saints will too in the main, so it is down to personnel and strategy. However, we have a wild card that on his day delivers - Bush. Welcome to the board BTW

01-11-2010, 11:08 AM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints VS Cardinals Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat Yep. But I think both teams will want it so much you can't tell the difference. It is down to errors, methinks. The Cards I think will play "fundamental" football. Saints will too in the main, so it is down to personnel and strategy. However, we have a wild card that on his day delivers - Bush. Welcome to the board BTW I do have to say that in the final 3-4 weeks of the regular season, the Saints changed their fundamental strategy for games. Our strategy became much more conservative (Morra-ish), and I believe this hurt us. We punted instead of going for it on 4th and feet, etc... I understand the conservative approach on defense as we had a few off the street players. There was a lack of faith in those players in regards to taking opportunities and being able to capitalize on those opportunities. McKenzie for an example. When he takes the field I cringe... Severely.. Each play is a gamble. He either intercepts or is burnt for a TD. More TD's than interceptions...
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01-11-2010, 11:13 AM	#13
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints VS Cardinals i dont care how our defense plays......the difference between this game and the packers game is that we dont let drew get hit like green bays offensive line does aaron rodgers is a great QB....and he does one thing that every other QB wishes they could do.....he holds the ball.....instead of forcing throws down the field, he holds the ball and takes the sack rather than the turnover however.....drew doesnt get hit like rodgers does.....drew had 30 less sacks than rodgers and threw only 4 more INTs while holding onto the ball may be more beneficial in the long term......in the short term it puts your team in a hole and rodgers doesnt throw the ball away the cardinals defense cant keep us out of the endzone like they did for green bay.....we wont have to play from behind the entire game and that will contribute greatly to how the cardinals will have to play.....if we make them 1 dimensional then we win easily
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

01-11-2010, 11:17 AM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints VS Cardinals Originally Posted by foreverfan Green Bay came in with the #2 rated defense in the NFC. They couldn't figure out how to stop them. What makes you think we will do a lot better? I guess we can't do much worse. Make that the #2 over-rated defense in the NFL. Don't forget that they faced the Lions and the Bears twice, as well as the Rams, Seahawks and Bucs. They gave up over 30 points six times this season, including the playoff loss.

01-11-2010, 11:19 AM	#15
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints VS Cardinals Originally Posted by x626xBlack I do have to say that in the final 3-4 weeks of the regular season, the Saints changed their fundamental strategy for games. Our strategy became much more conservative (Morra-ish), and I believe this hurt us. We punted instead of going for it on 4th and feet, etc... I understand the conservative approach on defense as we had a few off the street players. There was a lack of faith in those players in regards to taking opportunities and being able to capitalize on those opportunities. McKenzie for an example. When he takes the field I cringe... Severely.. Each play is a gamble. He either intercepts or is burnt for a TD. More TD's than interceptions... That is why McKenzie is history. Our CB core is back at full strength and McKenzie was cut.

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01-11-2010, 11:27 AM	#16
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints VS Cardinals crowd noise and some pressure will prevent Warner from having another career game. Key is we can't come out flat against Arizona like we did with Dallas. Zona blew leads in this game and they gave up 500 yards at home. We win a shootout, but more likely our D holds them under 30. Oh, and the media might not love us anymore, but Vegas does: Saints 7 point favorite

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cargojon 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 576	Re: Saints VS Cardinals Originally Posted by ScottF crowd noise and some pressure will prevent Warner from having another career game. Key is we can't come out flat against Arizona like we did with Dallas. Zona blew leads in this game and they gave up 500 yards at home. We win a shootout, but more likely our D holds them under 30. Oh, and the media might not love us anymore, but Vegas does: Saints 7 point favorite Zona has a history of almost giving away playoff games in which they have a big lead - see NFCCG last year vs. the Eagles as well as this one.
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01-11-2010, 12:35 PM	#18
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Saints VS Cardinals Originally Posted by foreverfan Green Bay came in with the #2 rated defense in the NFC. They couldn't figure out how to stop them. What makes you think we will do a lot better? I guess we can't do much worse. That's a key point right there. GB defense is MUCH better than ours. I asked a friend (and fellow fan) a question; "Will we score a TD every time we touch the ball?" The reason I asked should be obvious; because if the Cards play anything even close to like they did yesterday our defense will not stop them. We HAVE TO score a TD every time we touch it to keep up with them. Turnovers will decide this game.
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01-11-2010, 01:01 PM	#19
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints VS Cardinals Originally Posted by FrenzyFan That's a key point right there. GB defense is MUCH better than ours. I asked a friend (and fellow fan) a question; "Will we score a TD every time we touch the ball?" The reason I asked should be obvious; because if the Cards play anything even close to like they did yesterday our defense will not stop them. We HAVE TO score a TD every time we touch it to keep up with them. Turnovers will decide this game. I don't think the middle of the field will be open on us like it was against GB. Hell I could have made some of those throws as open as the middle of the field was.

01-11-2010, 01:21 PM	#20
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Saints VS Cardinals Originally Posted by FrenzyFan That's a key point right there. GB defense is MUCH better than ours. I'm not so sure about that. GB lived off of turnovers the entire year. +24 going into the Cards game. And suddenly when the turnovers didn't come often their defense looked awful. I put money on our defense holding Arizona under 40.
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