Am I the only one?

JOESAM2002 · 09-09-2003, 10:07 AM

Oh and one more thing. The only two stats that count are........

1. 27-10
2. 1 mark in the loss column

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-09-2003, 10:17 AM

Joe -- If stats are for losers maybe no one on here should ever use them again? Why don\'t we make that a rule here on B&G. I don\'t want anyone to sound like a loser.

I think us having the ball for 34 minutes despite turning the ball over 4 times suggests that Seattle couldn\'t sustain time consuming drives.

The defense wasn\'t dominate by a long shot. I just wanted to see if anyone saw any positives out of them. Why don\'t you give me a list of what I can and cannot talk about? I just can\'t seem to make you happy.

[Edited on 9/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

lumm0x · 09-09-2003, 10:18 AM

Billy I\'m not misquoting you.....but you are the master at diversion.

Bad scheming.....
how many blitzes did you see Sunday? We ran 4 men straight ahead, with few stunts. Any backfield pressure we did get was by pure pass rush moves by the players. The LBers stood in their lanes and then got blocked out of them. Even on these blatant run down where we had 8 or 9 in the box there is such things as a run blitz, but we simply stood in the gaps and got pushed out of them. But no scheming would make up for the simple fact that when our defender got his hands on the ball carrier at the line of scrimmage he was only feeling him up because he sure as hell wasn\'t tackling him. I guess no ole wise one can correct that....except maybe a coach. Our defense wasn\'t dominating, nor was it respectable and if it makes you feel optimistic that it was then good for you. You can pretend it was.

And I\'m sure glad we had the ball for 34 minutes.....we played a good game of hot potatoe with it.

And don\'t call me off the bandwagon because I can admit we stunk it up on Sunday. There was nothing positive about Sunday. A few players had respectable outings but I don\'t consider that positive, I consider that expected.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-09-2003, 10:25 AM

LummOx-- The fact of the matter is I stated some reasons I saw that were positive about the defense. I DID NOT say they had a good game. The saints defenders were in position to make most of the plays -- they just didn\'t make them. To blame that on scheming is a reach IMO.

I also have never said you were a bandwagon fan. But if you want to throw that in there to make your post look better -- feel free.

[Edited on 9/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

BlackandBlue · 09-09-2003, 10:29 AM

You don\'t turn the ball over 4 times, have 10 penalties for 110 yards and expect to win a game. Go ahead and blame the coaches if you want, but I don\'t get it.

It\'s called discipline, which is instilled by the coaches. Let\'s look at how many penalties the Cowboys had yesterday under head coach Parcells- oh, they didn\'t have any, what a shocker. That helped the mental midgets they have on offense not look as bad. Holmgren, Gruden, and Shanahan, all Super Bowl winning coaches, had no turnovers this past week.
Turnovers and penalties are going to happen to every team. Some teams have the defense that will make up for it (read New york Giants who will create more turnovers than the offense allows). We don\'t have the luxery of that type of defense, though.

JOESAM2002 · 09-09-2003, 10:37 AM

Wow, a list of what you can and can\'t talk about on here. What a novel idea. Where in the hell did you get that?

As for the quote. Everyone else on here uses them, why can\'t I? If you feel that was aimed at you then maybe you have a guilty consience.
How many times have you posted that you will say what ever you want? More than I care to remember. Well I like all others have an opinion, and like all others it might stink, but it\'s mine. At least I allow others to disagree with me without getting defensive.

Think about, just think about reading what others post and let it sink in before you jump their case and call them pesimists or worse. We all love the Saints and want to see them do the best they can. It\'s just hard for us when they go out and perform like they\'ve never been on a football field in their lives. We all know that this is a better team than what was shown Sunday, that\'s what kills us. The fact that they are better than that and aren\'t performing up to their potential.

[Edited on 9/9/2003 by JOESAM2002]

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-09-2003, 10:49 AM

Joe -- It\'s not that I don\'t think you are entitled to tell me or anyone else what you want to say. It\'s just I read a post the other day I made which was entirely about football and you felt the need to edit it. You didn\'t take anything out of it. you just felt obligated to tell me what to talk about, as if I should channge my opinion.

Just because I don\'t agree with the majorty here on B&G puts me at odds with them and why you feel the need to do whatever it is you do, I really have no idea.

I don\'t want to get into it with you, and that\'s not my intention, but why do u feel the need to edit my posts when I\'m talking about football. I can show you plenty of posts by other members that called members everything under the sun -- yet u edit none of them. I haven\'t called anyone anything, except a bandwagon fan. BIG DEAL.

[Edited on 9/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

BlackandBlue · 09-09-2003, 10:56 AM

I was edited for posting a hole on another though it wasn\'t directed at anyone in particular. You\'re not being picked on, people get edited for all kinds of things, it\'s part of the TOS.

Plllllllllllllllllllllltttt! :P

[Edited on 9/9/2003 by JOESAM2002]

JOESAM2002 · 09-09-2003, 11:13 AM

My God Billy, you do have a problem. I edited your post to save space in the thread. Or did you read what I typed in there at all? And yes I did edit B&B\'s A hole because it isn\'t something that should be on a family oriented board. I try to be unbiased but when a member pushs the envelope I have to do what the owner of the board expects of me. That I will do. You have to keep yourself in mind, I one the other hand have to keep about 1500 members from getting upset. Billy you\'re a nice guy but you take everything to personally. If a member has an opinion the isn\'t matched with yours you take it as a personal attack on you. It\'s not that way. Allow others to have their opinion. If it\'s wrong to you just say you think it\'s wrong don\'t try to create a bigger problem by telling them they\'re not a fan or they\'re stupid. We are all fans.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-09-2003, 11:24 AM

Joe -- I do not take it personal everytime someone disagress with me. You have to keep in mind when you go and post something on top of my post, it carries a little more weight than some bonehead telling me something Furthermore, I haven\'t told anyone they are stupid. Hell, my posts have gotten about as vanilla as the Saints defense.

I\'m sure a lot of things I say are wrong, but it don\'t change the way I feel at the time when I say \'em. If me telling someone they are a bandwagon fan offends them -- then they need to grow up. And I have since changed my mind about them being bandwagon fans -- they are fairweather fans....

Joe -- It\'s hard for me to tell when you are posting as a member or a moderator. I really don\'t know what else I can do. Except quit being me.

09-09-2003, 10:07 AM	#11
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Am I the only one? Oh and one more thing. The only two stats that count are........ 1. 27-10 2. 1 mark in the loss column

09-09-2003, 10:17 AM	#12
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Am I the only one? Joe -- If stats are for losers maybe no one on here should ever use them again? Why don\'t we make that a rule here on B&G. I don\'t want anyone to sound like a loser. I think us having the ball for 34 minutes despite turning the ball over 4 times suggests that Seattle couldn\'t sustain time consuming drives. The defense wasn\'t dominate by a long shot. I just wanted to see if anyone saw any positives out of them. Why don\'t you give me a list of what I can and cannot talk about? I just can\'t seem to make you happy. [Edited on 9/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

09-09-2003, 10:18 AM	#13
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Am I the only one? Billy I\'m not misquoting you.....but you are the master at diversion. Bad scheming..... how many blitzes did you see Sunday? We ran 4 men straight ahead, with few stunts. Any backfield pressure we did get was by pure pass rush moves by the players. The LBers stood in their lanes and then got blocked out of them. Even on these blatant run down where we had 8 or 9 in the box there is such things as a run blitz, but we simply stood in the gaps and got pushed out of them. But no scheming would make up for the simple fact that when our defender got his hands on the ball carrier at the line of scrimmage he was only feeling him up because he sure as hell wasn\'t tackling him. I guess no ole wise one can correct that....except maybe a coach. Our defense wasn\'t dominating, nor was it respectable and if it makes you feel optimistic that it was then good for you. You can pretend it was. And I\'m sure glad we had the ball for 34 minutes.....we played a good game of hot potatoe with it. And don\'t call me off the bandwagon because I can admit we stunk it up on Sunday. There was nothing positive about Sunday. A few players had respectable outings but I don\'t consider that positive, I consider that expected.

09-09-2003, 10:25 AM	#14
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Am I the only one? LummOx-- The fact of the matter is I stated some reasons I saw that were positive about the defense. I DID NOT say they had a good game. The saints defenders were in position to make most of the plays -- they just didn\'t make them. To blame that on scheming is a reach IMO. I also have never said you were a bandwagon fan. But if you want to throw that in there to make your post look better -- feel free. [Edited on 9/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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09-09-2003, 10:29 AM	#15
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Am I the only one? You don\'t turn the ball over 4 times, have 10 penalties for 110 yards and expect to win a game. Go ahead and blame the coaches if you want, but I don\'t get it. It\'s called discipline, which is instilled by the coaches. Let\'s look at how many penalties the Cowboys had yesterday under head coach Parcells- oh, they didn\'t have any, what a shocker. That helped the mental midgets they have on offense not look as bad. Holmgren, Gruden, and Shanahan, all Super Bowl winning coaches, had no turnovers this past week. Turnovers and penalties are going to happen to every team. Some teams have the defense that will make up for it (read New york Giants who will create more turnovers than the offense allows). We don\'t have the luxery of that type of defense, though.
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09-09-2003, 10:37 AM	#16
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Am I the only one? Wow, a list of what you can and can\'t talk about on here. What a novel idea. Where in the hell did you get that? As for the quote. Everyone else on here uses them, why can\'t I? If you feel that was aimed at you then maybe you have a guilty consience. How many times have you posted that you will say what ever you want? More than I care to remember. Well I like all others have an opinion, and like all others it might stink, but it\'s mine. At least I allow others to disagree with me without getting defensive. Think about, just think about reading what others post and let it sink in before you jump their case and call them pesimists or worse. We all love the Saints and want to see them do the best they can. It\'s just hard for us when they go out and perform like they\'ve never been on a football field in their lives. We all know that this is a better team than what was shown Sunday, that\'s what kills us. The fact that they are better than that and aren\'t performing up to their potential. [Edited on 9/9/2003 by JOESAM2002]
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges.

09-09-2003, 10:49 AM	#17
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Am I the only one? Joe -- It\'s not that I don\'t think you are entitled to tell me or anyone else what you want to say. It\'s just I read a post the other day I made which was entirely about football and you felt the need to edit it. You didn\'t take anything out of it. you just felt obligated to tell me what to talk about, as if I should channge my opinion. Just because I don\'t agree with the majorty here on B&G puts me at odds with them and why you feel the need to do whatever it is you do, I really have no idea. I don\'t want to get into it with you, and that\'s not my intention, but why do u feel the need to edit my posts when I\'m talking about football. I can show you plenty of posts by other members that called members everything under the sun -- yet u edit none of them. I haven\'t called anyone anything, except a bandwagon fan. BIG DEAL. [Edited on 9/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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09-09-2003, 10:56 AM	#18
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Am I the only one? I was edited for posting a hole on another though it wasn\'t directed at anyone in particular. You\'re not being picked on, people get edited for all kinds of things, it\'s part of the TOS. Plllllllllllllllllllllltttt! :P [Edited on 9/9/2003 by JOESAM2002]

09-09-2003, 11:13 AM	#19
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Am I the only one? My God Billy, you do have a problem. I edited your post to save space in the thread. Or did you read what I typed in there at all? And yes I did edit B&B\'s A hole because it isn\'t something that should be on a family oriented board. I try to be unbiased but when a member pushs the envelope I have to do what the owner of the board expects of me. That I will do. You have to keep yourself in mind, I one the other hand have to keep about 1500 members from getting upset. Billy you\'re a nice guy but you take everything to personally. If a member has an opinion the isn\'t matched with yours you take it as a personal attack on you. It\'s not that way. Allow others to have their opinion. If it\'s wrong to you just say you think it\'s wrong don\'t try to create a bigger problem by telling them they\'re not a fan or they\'re stupid. We are all fans.
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges.

09-09-2003, 11:24 AM	#20
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Am I the only one? Joe -- I do not take it personal everytime someone disagress with me. You have to keep in mind when you go and post something on top of my post, it carries a little more weight than some bonehead telling me something Furthermore, I haven\'t told anyone they are stupid. Hell, my posts have gotten about as vanilla as the Saints defense. I\'m sure a lot of things I say are wrong, but it don\'t change the way I feel at the time when I say \'em. If me telling someone they are a bandwagon fan offends them -- then they need to grow up. And I have since changed my mind about them being bandwagon fans -- they are fairweather fans.... Joe -- It\'s hard for me to tell when you are posting as a member or a moderator. I really don\'t know what else I can do. Except quit being me.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209