Re: 4 on grass, 11 on artifical turf
 

The only way the Vikes win is if the Saints self destruct. The Saints have the better offense, defense and better kick returners. The only advantage the Vikes have is on the D-line, and that just isn't good enough. On the road, the Vikes don't match up well against talent.

This isn't an argument or discussion. It is what it is and your record (both wins and losses, and play by play) represents what you are.

I'd wish you luck, but you'll need supernatural intervention.

I hope both teams play well.

Re: 4 on grass, 11 on artifical turf
 

I only get sarcastic when the response to one of my stats or observations is "Saints are the better team" and nothing else.

If someone says Saints have better WR's, I'll agree in a second.

If someone says Brees is better than Favre, it's debateable as I think experience helps over youth. But lets face it they both have top QB ratings so both are not Sanchez

If someone says Bush is better than Harvin, I say given this season which is all we have on Harvin, he's not. But Bush has shown he is a different player in the playoffs and Harvin is not 100%.

If someone says, Saints CB's are better, hands down they are right.

If someone says Evans is better than Hutchinson, I just laugh. There is a good chance Hutch will be a HOFer and still has lots in the tank.

If someone says, Shockey is better than Shiancoe, I say Shock might be marginally better, but not while he's hurting.

If someone says Bush, Thomas, and Bell are better than Peterson and Taylor. Look in the Saints' box, count to 8 or 9. If not, count to 10+yds. Favre counts on single coverage on Rice or Berrian.

If someone says Hartley is better than Longwell at FG's, I say, pray the pressure doesn't make Hartley choke. Longwell has been there and done that.

There are pluses and minuses on both sides, I point out the Vikes. I don't consider it smack talk. But I'm fully capable of agreeing with Saint fans on several points. But I'm not inclined to point them out like above.

Re: 4 on grass, 11 on artifical turf
 

Make good points. But I don't think the Saints Offense is that much better, Vikes can score and are also balanced. Both QB's are just a couple points off in QB ratings.

Vikes defensive front 7 are far better at rush D. They have a better pass rush. But the Saints are much better in secondary, especially at INT's

Going by regular season stats:
On KR, Harvin has 2TD's and is averaging 27.5yds on returns. Roby 1TD with a 27.5 on returns.... it's a wash PR: Bush is avg 4.8 yds per return, where as Reynaud is avg. 10.3 yds.

"It is what it is and your record (both wins and losses, and play by play) represents what you are." ??? Not sure where your going. Vikes are 12-4, Saints 13-3, not much of a difference, except it gave you home field advantage

Re: 4 on grass, 11 on artifical turf
 

Here's a thought.

Miami is grass.

Re: 4 on grass, 11 on artifical turf
 

This