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I think the point some are trying to make is that while it is undeniable that you shut down 2 of the best rushing attacks in the league, you shut down 2 teams that pretty much rely on only the run and struggle throwing the ball.

An offense like the Saints will keep the Indy D honest by mixing it up. We are effective at both running and passing.

Also, when it is the last two teams in the league playing, I don't think anyone things that either team has glaring weaknesses.

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Yea I remember this from his days at Purdue. When he's on, it really doesn't matter what the defense throws at him but it seems there were sometimes a quarter or so in any given game where he couldn't get into rhythm and drives would stall. That can be said for any quarterback to some extent but when a great one like Brees loses his rhythm it always catches me off guard and I notice it more.

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Dirty is BS.

In baseball (although not so much these days) when a batter crowds the plate you throw at his effin head and take that real estate back (or at least you should). That's baseball.

In football you knock the crap out of the QB, and that's how the game should be played. You wanna be the 'star' QB? Fine. Get ready. That's the NFL I remember, and it's unfortunate the NFL is trying so hard to protect the QB's, but we didn't do anything illegal, and those Personal Foul flags were the NFL trying desperately to protect the old man.

On the reverse Brett was in the play and got his a$$ handed to him...BS flag notwithstanding.

On the driving into the ground BS call he got tackled...hard...nothing more and nothing dirty.

And on every other play we knocked the crap out of him because that's how to get him out of his game. That's football, and Brett, old man that he is, knows it full well.

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eleazar. I love your avatar. You need to get your activity level up and make the board an even better place.

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If we can pressure Peyton..we can win... that simple...

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12 teams this season have tried, and not one has been successful. You can not stop Peyton, you have to only hope to contain him. We put 30 up on the No. 1 ranked D, so you gotta figure your O is going to have to put up at least 38-45 to have a shot at winning....

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I think our D-line with the help of scheme will do just enough to make him uncomfortable..

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Well you would be the first this season to do that.

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We have a very opportunistic defense. They can take chances because of our explosive offense. Williams is going to draw up schemes waiting for Manning to mess up. Manning is going to audible at the line waiting for the Saints to do the same. If you like football strategy, you are going to love Manning vs. Williams.

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Theres a first time for everything...if your team plays half as bad as that food yall got up there i know we win..lol..sorry man i like my seasonings..

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Yes we have a good def.

BUT so do the Dolts. They are FAST, not just one or two but several of them are FAST - they also have a better seocndary then the Viks.

Now that said we may not have a Revis Island - BUT our healthy secondary is better than the Jets!!

It is going to be an intereting game.

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Revis Isle was only a sand spit when they played the Dolts.
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there is one thing that the colts are better at than the vikings were.....in fact.....its the only thing the colts are good at.....passing the ball

peyton manning is great....but he is not a team

in 2 weeks we will be going up against the best DE tandum in the entire NFL....however, we are also going up against the smallest defensive line in the NFL...that doesnt bode well against our 2 stud guards and our 3 pro bowl offensive linemen

the colts are great...but they have yet to play a team that is as deadly on offense as us.....they played the jets and ravens....2 great defenses and 2 great running offense....but very little threat in the passin game

you remember who covered reggie wayne? well our DB is second in the league in allowing the least amount of catches per times targeted.....right behind that same DB that shut down reggie wayne

the cardinals fans thought we played dirty.....we didnt

the vikings fans thought we played dirty.....we didnt

i know for a fact that after the super bowl all the colts fans are going to be cryin about how dirty our defense is.....and im going to smile and agree

the colts cant and wont run the ball....peyton manning is the colts offense and their defense while underrated is still no match for our #1 ranked offense

everybody keeps talking about how our defense will match up against their offense.....why is that always the case? why doesnt anybody worry about our offense against their defense? despite dominating the league in nearly every offensive category, our offense is underrated

oh and that underrated defense of yours......you are preaching to the choir son......our defense feels the same way

colts average 26 ppg.....saints average 32 ppg

my prediction: 32-26

SAINTS

fwiw.....the vikings averaged 29 ppg.....scored 28 against us.....we scored 31

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The same could be said of Indy's shot at winning. The only difference, we've been putting up Forty Burgers quite a few times this year. So it's not like we haven't done it yet. In fact we've done it 5 times with other times we could have done it but we let off the gas. Whereas the Colts only did it against the Rams and never really came close in any other game.... and that was against supposed lesser defenses.

Look ... it's going to be a great game. I personally can't pick a winner in this one. However, I do think if we continue to ball-hawk and our O does it's average points per game, we win.

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Damn. I was under the impression we were somewhat good. How the hell have we won 16 games and made it to the Super Bowl? Oh well. Our fluke season is your benefit.

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If you look at the skills of our team, it is clear that the front office collected players specifically to confront the Colts in the Super Bowl.

On offense:

• Balanced offense to counter overloading and bullrushing D-Line.
• Fast WR's/3WR sets to counter cover 2 schemes
• Big TE's to give help on the edge blocking and to take the blows in crossing patterns in the middle of the field.
• Running back by committee to ensure fresh legs.

On defense:

• Adequate run stopping but emphasis on tracking down/pressure the QB
• Shut down corners to allow sophisticated blitz packages without unnecessary exposure at the back end.
• Freelancing safeties to be opportunistic and ball hawking
• LB's who are capable in coverage but quick to close in open field tackle situations.

This isn't to say that our roster has no weaknesses. But it is definitely an attempt to answer the problems posed by the Colts.

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Let me get this. The Saints had never been to the Super Bowl before now, yet you're convinced they were building their team specifically to match up for a potential Super Bowl matchup with the Colts who had only been there once before themselves since moving to Indy. LOL.

Everything on your list is something any team would want to play against anyone, not just a team with the Colts attributes. I would say there's at least a few things there that are embellished, to say the least. I would not say you have shutdown corners. Greg Williams used to be a defensive coordinator in our division. His blitz packages aren't anything unique or more "sophisticated" than you see in many other NFL defenses.

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Same question I keep asking!

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listen.....im not taking credit away from the guy.....but you guys win because peyton manning is so good.....there isnt another reason you guys have won a single game this season....you guys win on the shoulders of peyton manning because he is arguably the best QB ever....i think its too easy to call him the best but he is definitly up there

your season was no fluke....the colts have been doing the same thing for the past decade.....peyton is a stud and the offensive line keeps him upright so it fits right into his strength

we werent buildin a team to match the colts....it just turned out that way

our running game will control the clock which is a surprise this season.....our defense is allows the least passin TDs in the redzone than any other team in the league

NFL Blog: Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports Blogs

Cornerback Jabari Greer(notes): In weeks 1 through 9 of the 2009 season, the Saints ranked third in Football Outsiders' DVOA rankings against the pass. In weeks 10 through 17, they plummeted to 20th. It's no coincidence that Greer, the former Buffalo cornerback signed by the Saints as a free agent in the offseason, missed weeks 10 through 16 with a groin injury after playing spectacularly in the season's first half. Some cornerbacks struggle with man coverage fater playing a lot of zone in prior seasons -- the Saints found this out the hard way when they signed ex-Colt Jason David(notes) after the 2006 season, a disastrous move for all involved. Greer has been just the opposite, ranking second behind only Darrelle Revis(notes) in FO's metrics for NFL cornerbacks (albeit in half a season). Greer will be targeted heavily, as he'll most likely draw the unenviable assignment of covering Reggie Wayne(notes) in the Super Bowl.

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i did..read it here

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lol no shameless self promotion....fall in line strato

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No plugs intended..lol...

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The biggest threat in the game is Manning's accuracy. He is so accurate
that our good secondary will be negated. All he needs is a 2 foot window.

The only counter to Manning's accuracy is pressure. Nobody has hit him yet
this year. Even the mighty Jets defense couldn't get much pressure on
him. I don't know the solution, but you can bet GG knows the problem and
is looking for one.

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You could easily be talking about Cool Brees too. That negates the Manning X factor to a degree. We'll be doing the same to them. Our cornerbacks and the Harper/Sharper combo is better than what they have.

Advantage Saints, actually.

That is what the Nation of Haters was saying prior to the VyQueens game. Ask Favre Bean how that worked out for him.

The Saints did that WITHOUT Grant.

Advantage Saints.

The Dolts are going down. It is destiny. It is our time.

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Wow, where to start;

Our small Defense did just fine in shutting down both the Ravens and Jets rushing game, both have much better O lines then the Saints and better running games.

Next:

The Cards offense is just as explosive as the Saints are and we played and beat them this year.

Next:

We proved in the Jets game we don't need Reggie to have a big game to win, so shut him down, we have a multitude of other options.

Next:

We run the ball when we need to and do so just fine. We are not a run first team.

Next:

Final score: Colts 35 --- Saints 28

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The Ravens and the Jets are no threat to pass the ball. Sure you can stop the run with 8-9 in the box all game long. Do you really want the Colts to put 8-9 in the box against Drew Brees? I know I do.

Brees was sacked 20 times on 514 attempts
Sanchez was sacked 26 times on 364 attempts
Flacco was sacked 36 times on 499 attempts
O-line pass blocking advantage: clearly the Saints.

Saints ran the ball 468 times for 2106 yards and a 4.5 average
NY Jets ran the ball 607 times for 2756 yards and a 4.5 average
Ravens ran the ball 468 times for 2200 yards and a 4.7 average
Ok. The Ravens get 7 inches more per carry. Otherwise, neither Jets or Ravens seem to be better at running the ball than the Saints.

No.
The Cardinals scored 375 points all season long.
The Saints scored 510 points all season long.

And the Saints beat the Cards as well. So what?

.. the Saints D doesn't play to shut anyone down. The Saints D plays to physically beat you up and make you fumble and give the ball back to the offense. . Ask the Vikings how they are feeling today.

The Colts don't run the ball because they can't. With all the people who drop back to defend the pass, the Colts should be getting 5 yards a pop.

.. don't bet the house on that...

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cards offense isn't similar to the saints because they don't have nearly as good of a rushing attack.

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Here to help you out...

Lets see, Sanchez is a rookie and Flacco is in his second year, so both are going to struggle with sacks. Your O line may pass block better, but that doesn't mean they are an overall better line.

Next:

All 3 teams ran the ball well in the regular season. but when they played the Colts, how did they do? How did the top rusher in the NFL do against the Colts? Sorry but the Colts D right now is shutting the run down.


Next:

True the Saints scored more overall points, but are you really saying that the Cards are not as explosive as the Saints? How many more weapons do the Saints offer that the Cards don't? You can't tell me the Saints have a better 1-2 punch at WR then the Cards? You can't say the Saints have a better QB then the Cards? Yes you beat them up in your home, we destroyed them in their own home. Which is more impressive?

Next:

Well lets see, how many of those takeaways were from hard hits? The one fumble by AP was near the goal line and was due to a poor handoff, not any Saint player hitting him. I watche the game, the 1 Viking getting hit was Farve, I didn't see any other "bell ringers" on other Vikings?

Next:

During the regular season your right, you might want to see how we did against two top defenses the two past weeks.

Next:

The major difference in the two teams is glaring. EXPERIENCE. The Saints will struggle with all that is involved in the next two weeks, the Colts have been there and done that. NOT 1 single team in that has played the Colts A team throughout the entire game has beaten the Colts this year, can you say the same for the Saints? You couldn't beat the lowly Bucs in your own home this season and got destroyed by the Cowboys.

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Manning was sacked 10 times in 575 attempts this season and yet I keep reading here about how the Saints are going to get to him. You're completely confident you can protect against Freeney and Mathis (remember Ware and Spencer?) and yet also completely confident you can get to Manning. Doesn't make too much sense to me.

You're using stats when they support what you want to believe and ignoring them when they don't. That's all fine and good if you want to build up your confidence before the game but when the game starts, none of the false confidence will matter.

I'm a Colts fan that has picked the Saints to win, but some of the reasoning here simply blows my mind. Both teams have an offensive advantage over the opposing defense. I think the Saints being the better running team gives them an advantage but by no means do I think the Saints are going to stop the Colts offense. This will be a shootout.

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Your right it isn't, but the Colts D has put a stop to 4 out of the top 5 rushing teams with the 1 we didn't, we didn't play in Carolina. We have shown we can stop the run.

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LOL, ya'll know you can't argue with these people! Let the game begin!!!

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. yet, you are so impressed with your team beating 2 teams with mediocre QBs who can't pass the ball. You can't have it both ways.

.. again, it is easy to shut the run down when you put 8-9 people in the box when, as you admit above, the QBs on the other teams are mediocre and do not present a challenge. And again, I surely hope the Colts do the same against the Saints.

Actually, I can say the Saints have a better QB than the Cardinals:
Brees threw for 34 TDs 11 INTs 70.6% CR 103.6 PR
Warner threw for 26 TDS 14 INTs 66.1 % CR 93.2 PR

As for "weapons", I guess you mean media darlings like Fitz? The Saints don't really have any media darlings..but as far as WR punch, the Saints don't have a 1-2 punch, they have a 1-2-3-4 combination in Colston, Henderson, Meachem, and Reggie (there's also Lance Moore, but he's been hurt). The Saints have 2 TEs who are better at catching and blocking in Shockey and Thomas than anything the Cards have at TE. At RB, the combination of Pierre, Reggie, and Bell is better than what the Cards have, both running the ball and catching the ball out of the backfield. And yes, you will notice I put Reggie in both RB and WR.


Now, don't you think that, when you compare one team to the other, when a team scores 135 more points than the other, thatmaybe, just maybe, the one team has better QB play and better weapons around that QB? Just sayin'

Yep. one fumble was a bad exchange.. the other fumbles, the ball was knocked out of the hands of the Vikings players. Don't discount the effects of the accumulation of hits. Not every punch is a knock out, but the accumulation of hit surely makes a difference.

Well, the Colts scored 20 points on Baltimore. WOW! What a beat down!
The Colts did score 30 on the Jets.

Ok. So 3 years ago, about half the current Colts played in a Superbowl, and they stayed in this hotel 3 years ago, and practiced in this field 3 years ago, and that is EXPERIENCE. O...K...
I will tell you this:
All the media events are scheduled for both teams equally, so that isn't a distraction.
Unlike players who live in other states, these are the NEW ORLEANS Saints. They already live among "distractions".
Not to mention, the character of the players on the Saints roster. Of course, I wouldn't expct you to know about that either

I wouldn't call a 24-17 score getting destroyed, but I guess that's just an opinion. The Cowboys won, they were the better team that day, props to them.

As for the Saints A team, I am glad you asked. I don't expect you to know the Saints roster, because you don't follow the Saints. Here's a secret you may not know, but the Saints have not played with their A team since week 5, and are going to the Superbowl without their A team, not to mention they started their season without their starting LT, their best pure possession receiver, and one of the staring DTs.

But look.. you keep rationalizing the Superbowl win for the Colts, and keep on bringing all this stuff the Colts did in the past against other teams, keep telling yourself the Saints are no better than the Ravens or the Jets, and keep on reminding yourself how much more experienced the Colts are playing Superbowls.

I'm just going to wait and see what happens when the game is actually played.

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I will say, I've read your other posts, and you indeed are representing the Colts fans very well, and I am not saying that because you picked the Saints to win.

That Dallas game was a bad one all around for the Saints. Brees got sacked 4 times that game. The Saints LT had all sorts of issues with Ware's rush, but for some reason unknown to man Sean Payton never gave Bushrod any help. The Saints lost their starting FB in week 5-6 (don't exactly remember) and never really solidified the position. Now they are using TEs as FBs, and they are doing a decent job.