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Choupique 01-24-2010 10:27 PM

COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D.
 
Muhahahahaha.

cargojon 01-24-2010 10:28 PM

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Correct. This should be more like the Arizona game.

Who knows if we will be able to do to Peyton like we did to Kurt though.

braggbro1 01-24-2010 10:30 PM

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I'm gonna say Saints defense is not like the Jets either.

mikesaintfan 01-24-2010 10:33 PM

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SHOOTOUT

Choupique 01-24-2010 10:34 PM

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With the exception of a few plays the SAINTS were stuffing AP.

Our D is pretty damn good. All teams give up big plays if you let reality shed some light on the subject.

DOLTS don't have an AP. That LSU boy is good, but he aint a fumble machine like the Vikes.

spkb25 01-24-2010 10:34 PM

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yes they r not. did n e one see favre's head, looks like a punching bag. He hinted he thought we were dirty. waaaaaaaa

Choupique 01-24-2010 10:36 PM

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He seemed pretty dirty after they face planted his arse a few times.

Those were all clean legal hits. He is a whiner.

Even that flag they flew when our D buried him... even
the commentators said it was a stupid call.

They were protecting brett. If anything was dirty it was some of the calls.

The Team Jumping Farve Bean is a douchebag.

QBREES9 01-24-2010 10:39 PM

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Drew and Peyton Shootout.

braggbro1 01-24-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 197630)
With the exception of a few plays the SAINTS were stuffing AP.

Our D is pretty damn good. All teams give up big plays if you let reality shed some light on the subject.

DOLTS don't have an AP. That LSU boy is good, but he aint a fumble machine like the Vikes.

The Colts do not care to run the ball. They haven't against anyone all year and they haven't lost a game they were trying to win yet. Saints defense is not nearly as good as Jets or Ravens. This will be a shootout.

Choupique 01-24-2010 10:42 PM

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Our defense is better. The Jets and Ravens aren't in the Super Bowl.

If they were better our season would be over.

Tell Sharper and Vilma we don't have as good a defense. I bet the disagree with you too.

I don't care what the stats say. We have a first class defense.

st thomas 01-24-2010 10:45 PM

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mega shootout, i'm screaming

Sir Psycho Sexy 01-24-2010 10:48 PM

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We have the best kind of D, D that shows up when it matters most.

braggbro1 01-24-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 197643)
Our defense is better. The Jets and Ravens aren't in the Super Bowl.

If they were better our season would be over.

Tell Sharper and Vilma we don't have as good a defense. I bet the disagree with you too.

I don't care what the stats say. We have a first class defense.

I think your offense might be a bigger part of the reason you're in the Super Bowl. Both teams have adequate, opportunistic defenses but neither is great. Also keep in mind that neither will benefit from raucous home crowds like they have so far in the playoffs. I absolutely think this is a shootout with the team that executes better and makes fewer mistakes that day walks off with the Lombardi.

darstep 01-24-2010 11:00 PM

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We should have an easier time runnung the ball on the Colts. That should open up a few more options for our offense. We also have to hit Manning like we hit Brett tonight. At least let Manning know that he can't hold the ball forever.

FlexDefense 01-24-2010 11:02 PM

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It will be a chess match between Manning and Williams. They are going to spend the first quarter feeling each other out.

Colts did pretty good against a Jets defense that held our offense to 10 points.

FlexDefense 01-24-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 197711)
We should have an easier time runnung the ball on the Colts. That should open up a few more options for our offense. We also have to hit Manning like we hit Brett tonight. At least let Manning know that he can't hold the ball forever.

Pierre did awesome running the ball tonight.

SmashMouth 01-25-2010 06:54 AM

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It's going to be awesome .... Peyton is going to give us fits ... but Brees will give the Colts fits too .....WOW ... what a matchup!

whodatsaintsfan26 01-25-2010 06:59 AM

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They are a different kind of Defense. They are smaller and faster than Minnesota. Anyone who thinks they are going to be easier to run on check out the stats from the AFC championship game. They shut the leading rushing team in the playoffs down. Freeney and Mathis are everybit the speed and power threat that Allen and Edwards were. The biggest difference is in the middle. I dont see this being any easier than what we just went through. It should be a great game.

TheDeuce 01-25-2010 07:03 AM

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We're probably going to be 8 or 9 point dogs because we're playing, IMO, the greatest football history of the league and he's got a very good supporting cast. But, as they say, that's why they play the game. Anything could happen on Super Bowl Sunday and I hope that we come out as aggressive as ever. Manning is going to be tough to get to because he gets the ball away so fast and recognizes blitzes quickly, so our secondary is going to have to make some plays.

whodatsaintsfan26 01-25-2010 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 197913)
We're probably going to be 8 or 9 point dogs because we're playing, IMO, the greatest football history of the league and he's got a very good supporting cast. But, as they say, that's why they play the game. Anything could happen on Super Bowl Sunday and I hope that we come out as aggressive as ever. Manning is going to be tough to get to because he gets the ball away so fast and recognizes blitzes quickly, so our secondary is going to have to make some plays.

Vegas opened up with colts 3 1/2 point favorites last night.

TheDeuce 01-25-2010 07:07 AM

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That's it? Definitely thought it'd be way more than that.

mikesaintfan 01-25-2010 12:29 PM

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the vikings had a better rated offense than the colts right? and rated WAY better on defense right?..we will score big time and we will winin a shootout...49-45

breesfan27 01-25-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 197637)
Drew and Peyton Shootout.

I, for one, am stoked about this! I've always loved Peyton. And now, my favorite team in the universe gets to go head to head with argueably (sp) one of the best QBs in the league! Gonna be one amazing game!

Marlboro Man 01-25-2010 12:35 PM

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Yards don't win games....Points do.

indy4192 01-25-2010 01:05 PM

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I don't believe the Saints have seen a defense like the Colts at all this season. The Colts are by far the fastest D in the NFL and find a way to make plays.

Radio Saint 01-25-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by indy4192 (Post 198179)
I don't believe the Saints have seen a defense like the Colts at all this season. The Colts are by far the fastest D in the NFL and find a way to make plays.

We know you have a good D, but don't act like it's in some higher and totally different category than some of the excellent defenses our team has faced this year. Let's face it, the Colts do not have the best D in football nor the best running game. You are heavily reliant on Peyton Manning to win. It is because of him and not your defense that the Colts are a great team.

braggbro1 01-25-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by indy4192 (Post 198179)
I don't believe the Saints have seen a defense like the Colts at all this season. The Colts are by far the fastest D in the NFL and find a way to make plays.

The Colts haven't played an offense like the Saints either. I'm a Colts fan but this works both ways.

Both fans need to understand that this game isn't going to be won on a message board. Saying that the Vikings were better on offense and defense than the Colts and the Saints beat them will not guarantee the Saints beating the Colts. Saying that the Colts scored 30 against the #1 defense in the league will not guarantee they score more against a lower ranked defense.

The game will be won by the team that executes better and makes fewer mistakes on February 7th and both teams have a shot to do that.

indy4192 01-25-2010 01:16 PM

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Runing against us won't happen, but as you saw in the game vs. the Jets and other teams, you can throw against us. The key will be how much presure we can get on breeze and causing him to hurry his throw.

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Originally Posted by whodatsaintsfan26 (Post 197910)
They are a different kind of Defense. They are smaller and faster than Minnesota. Anyone who thinks they are going to be easier to run on check out the stats from the AFC championship game. They shut the leading rushing team in the playoffs down. Freeney and Mathis are everybit the speed and power threat that Allen and Edwards were. The biggest difference is in the middle. I dont see this being any easier than what we just went through. It should be a great game.


indy4192 01-25-2010 01:21 PM

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I would disagree, the Cards offense is very similar to the Saints in that it is a pass first, run second offense with it's tops weapons being in it's passing game.

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Originally Posted by braggbro1 (Post 198185)
The Colts haven't played an offense like the Saints either. I'm a Colts fan but this works both ways.

Both fans need to understand that this game isn't going to be won on a message board. Saying that the Vikings were better on offense and defense than the Colts and the Saints beat them will not guarantee the Saints beating the Colts. Saying that the Colts scored 30 against the #1 defense in the league will not guarantee they score more against a lower ranked defense.

The game will be won by the team that executes better and makes fewer mistakes on February 7th and both teams have a shot to do that.


braggbro1 01-25-2010 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by indy4192 (Post 198188)
Runing against us won't happen, but as you saw in the game vs. the Jets and other teams, you can throw against us. The key will be how much presure we can get on breeze and causing him to hurry his throw.

The Jets passed on us because that's what we allowed them to do. We took away the one dimension of their offense that they were comfortable with. I'm guessing it will be a completely different defensive gameplan for the Saints and it's doubtful that we are going to stack the box and have the safeties cheat against the Saints. My guess is that we'll dare the Saints to run on us and make them drive the field slowly. If you're a good running team, it's not hard to get 5-10 yard runs against us but it's hard to drive the entire field that way because one negative play or one penalty and you're in a passing situation. The Saints, unlike the Ravens or Jets, will be more than comfortable in those passing situations. We will need Freeney and Mathis to hurry, or sack, Brees and not let him get comfortable and in a rhythm.

This is a totally different beast. We're not trying to shut down a one-dimensional offense anymore and we're not at home.

braggbro1 01-25-2010 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by indy4192 (Post 198193)
I would disagree, the Cards offense is very similar to the Saints in that it is a pass first, run second offense with it's tops weapons being in it's passing game.

The Saints have a very good running game. The Cards don't.

The Cards offense is more similar to ours except Manning is much better than Warner at getting us into the right protection and a good play at the line of scrimmage.

Choupique 01-25-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by indy4192 (Post 198179)
I don't believe the Saints have seen a defense like the Colts at all this season. The Colts are by far the fastest D in the NFL and find a way to make plays.

Dude, we BEAT the JETS and the PATRIOTS and the VIKINGS.

In fact the Saints ran the table on the EAST COAST teams...
Eagles, yea they are a real slow defense.


Try not to sound too silly. The truth is the VIKINGS defense is WAY better than the Dolts D. Everyone seems to agree on that but you.

indy4192 01-25-2010 02:21 PM

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I really hope the Saints think the same way you do. The Colts D is so much better then many want to give it credit. This so called average D just dominated two of the best rushing teams in the NFL and minus the final two games of the season, finished 3rd overall in least amount of points given up. The colts are where they are BECAUSE of both the D and Peyton.

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Originally Posted by Radio Saint (Post 198184)
We know you have a good D, but don't act like it's in some higher and totally different category than some of the excellent defenses our team has faced this year. Let's face it, the Colts do not have the best D in football nor the best running game. You are heavily reliant on Peyton Manning to win. It is because of him and not your defense that the Colts are a great team.


indy4192 01-25-2010 02:22 PM

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Better, maybe, but it sure hasn't been seen lately. Exactyl how much better is very slight and not the strength of the Saints.

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Originally Posted by braggbro1 (Post 198203)
The Saints have a very good running game. The Cards don't.

The Cards offense is more similar to ours except Manning is much better than Warner at getting us into the right protection and a good play at the line of scrimmage.


indy4192 01-25-2010 02:24 PM

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We gee Dude we beat the Jets and Pats also. What exactly is your point? What happen when you played TB? I mean really, TB at home and you lost? You played all your main players and you lost? Really how did you do that? Plus you got lucky and just squeaked by the Redskins.

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 198204)
Dude, we BEAT the JETS and the PATRIOTS and the VIKINGS.

In fact the Saints ran the table on the EAST COAST teams...
Eagles, yea they are a real slow defense.


Try not to sound too silly. The truth is the VIKINGS defense is WAY better than the Dolts D. Everyone seems to agree on that but you.


AsylumGuido 01-25-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by braggbro1 (Post 198200)
The Jets passed on us because that's what we allowed them to do. We took away the one dimension of their offense that they were comfortable with. I'm guessing it will be a completely different defensive gameplan for the Saints and it's doubtful that we are going to stack the box and have the safeties cheat against the Saints. My guess is that we'll dare the Saints to run on us and make them drive the field slowly. If you're a good running team, it's not hard to get 5-10 yard runs against us but it's hard to drive the entire field that way because one negative play or one penalty and you're in a passing situation. The Saints, unlike the Ravens or Jets, will be more than comfortable in those passing situations. We will need Freeney and Mathis to hurry, or sack, Brees and not let him get comfortable and in a rhythm.

This is a totally different beast. We're not trying to shut down a one-dimensional offense anymore and we're not at home.

Yup. I think you have it nailed there. The Saints have a top five ranked running game and really depend upon the run to set up the pass. But, as you pointed out, the Saints have far better weapons in the pass game than does the Jets so you can't simply stack the box. It is going to be an interesting match up and will be a toss up as far as I am concerned.

AsylumGuido 01-25-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by indy4192 (Post 198251)
We gee Dude we beat the Jets and Pats also. What exactly is your point? What happen when you played TB? I mean really, TB at home and you lost? You played all your main players and you lost? Really how did you do that? Plus you got lucky and just squeaked by the Redskins.

Actually, we had several key players out against the Bucs. The Saints went up quick to a 17 point lead, went into cruise mode and lost focus. No excuse though, but this Saints team is not the same one mentally that took the field in the second half of that game.

mikesaintfan 01-25-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by indy4192 (Post 198188)
Runing against us won't happen, but as you saw in the game vs. the Jets and other teams, you can throw against us. The key will be how much presure we can get on breeze and causing him to hurry his throw.

ask jahri evans and the rest of the o-line about that one......they handled the "williams wall" prety darn effectively

FlexDefense 01-25-2010 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by braggbro1 (Post 198200)
We will need Freeney and Mathis to hurry, or sack, Brees and not let him get comfortable and in a rhythm.

Brees is very much a rhythm passer. When he is on, he is on fire. When he is not, he overthrows like he did last night. The Colts will need to throw the Saints off their timing routes and bring enough heat from the outside to force Drew up into the pocket.

Covering Wayne, Garcon, Collie, and Clark won't be easy. Manning is going to short pass them down the field waiting for the right opportunity to strike. It is all going to come down to time of possession and if Manning can keep our defense on the field.

FlexDefense 01-25-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesaintfan (Post 198273)
ask jahri evans and the rest of the o-line about that one......they handled the "williams wall" prety darn effectively

Our o-line is unbelievable. Brees ought to take them on several nice trips in the offseason.


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