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Who here thinks Aaron Brooks is a top five QB in the NFL right now, today? No assumptions - I'm not looking to make any argument - I just want to know. I think Billy will immediately answer yes, but I wonder what Saintfan will say. More importantly, I wonder what guys like Lumm0x, Pak, Joe, BnB, FW, Subguy, etc. have to say. Is he a top fiver RIGHT NOW?

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Thanks for answering for me -- I know how you like that when people do that for you.

Aaron is not in the top five but he\'s in the top 10 in my book and I\'m going to call you on this one.

If you say he\'s not in the top 10 then name me 9 current NFL QB\'s that you would trade Aaron for!! That\'s what I thought !!!

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In an effort to consolidate, I\'ll respond to a comment you made in another thread by saying I\'ve never said Brooks was flawless...I\'ve never come close. What I HAVE done for the better part of a year is defend him against unfair comparisons or defend him where he\'s being held to a different or higher standard...it\'s that simple.

As far as this ranking you\'re so hung up on I\'d go as far as top 10. He does make mistakes, his mechanics aren\'t perfect and he\'s not exactly the second coming of Johnny Unitis either, but he doesn\'t have to be perfect (no one is) and his mechanics don\'t hvae to be textbook (few if any QB\'s are \"textbook) and while being a vocal leader is a good thing he should not be required or expected to shoulder it all.

Yeah, his ability to smile when the chips are down has upset a lot of people. These people thing he\'s sittin on the sidelines grinin and drinkin\' Gatorade and not doing much else. For those people I sumbit the following from an article written this week for the TIMES-PICAYUNE by Jeff Duncan:

Stallworth\'s performance was one of several lowlights in the Saints\' opener. It also drew the ire of quarterback Aaron Brooks, who chided Stallworth on the sideline to focus on his catches and implored him to come back for the ball after the initial play breaks down.

\"I did yell at him a couple times and tell him that I don\'t care how many balls you drop, I\'m going to keep coming to you,\" Brooks said. \"That\'s how much trust I\'ve got in him. I believe that he can get it done. I never stopped going to him. Every day\'s not going to be perfect, but the good thing is that he learned from it.\"


Now I\'d bet most of you read that article. Funny how no one has mentioned that as a positive sign. Since so many people insist he \"Lead us Charlie Brown\" I figure someone would have stepped up by now. Silly me.

So again, I\'d go with top 10 with a bullet. The best is yet to come for AB. I\'m glad some of you aren\'t making the decisions. If you were we\'d miss it.

<--- :D

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Top 5? No
Top 10? No
Are there 9 other quarterbacks I would trade for Brooks? No, because I\'m not willing to sacrifice tomorrow for today. There are some good QB\'s on the downside of their career that are better today, but are still aging and on the downside of thier careers.

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First off let me say I do not think Brooks is the reason this team sucks as bad as it does right now. However I do think there are a number of QB\'s who could come in to the saints offense and get more out of it. Definitely not top 5, but when you get to the 10-15 spot it is a toss up.

manning
vick
McNabb
bledsoe
Mcnair
Garcia
gannon
Johnson
Green
Carr
Holcomb
Rattay
Bulger

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Rattay?

You can\'t just throw that out without explaining why. Being a Tech grad myself, I\'m intrigued as to \"why\". Do you know something that us normal posters don\'t?
I hope you realize that this has the potential to give Billy an embolism.

[Edited on 12/9/2003 by BlackandBlue]

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Embolism
(Greek: embolismos, from the verb, emballein, \"to throw in\")


LOL....Don\'t try to confuse me with those big words you learned at Tech. We all know NLU is what\'s happening....

But really I do not wish to throw in anything about FWtex master list of QB\'s. I\'ll just let him hang himself -- :o



[Edited on 12/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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Top 5 -----no
top 10------no
Does he have talant? yes
Will he ever pay off? Not sure. He does make me wonder if he can grasp the offense. At times he has looked like a probowler but it hasn\'t been lately.

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When Aaron takes us to the Super Bowl - I\'m going to buy you guys a bottle of your favorite liquor to celebrate. Then after I get you drunk I\'m gonna beat the hell out of ya for not believing in my man Brooks -- ;)

[Edited on 12/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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That\'s a deal. In my case he better make it quick! LOL :cool:

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Speaking of getting drunk -- That\'s exactly where I\'m headed -- Later folks -- Have a good night !!

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Night Billy

By the way, if Brooks doesn\'t take the team to the Super Bowl, can I buy you a bottle of \"Shut the Hell Up\"??? :P

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MO.....

Brooks is not top five.
Brooks has top 5 measurables, and bottom 5 intangibles. Don\'t think this is a negative thing because you can\'t teach athleticism or natural talent, so he is top 5 potential.

Are there 10 other QB\'s I\'d trade him for straight up....maybe 4. There are currently more than 10 QB\'s that are better today than Brooks if you grade him like a draft pick in individual points but it would have no upside for tommorrow.

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While billy is trying to figure out how to tie that noose without hanging himself let me say \"whats up DAWG\" to my fellow rustonite B&B. lol

Yes I said Rattay and I will take him over brooks to run this saints offense anyday. It has nothing to do with a homer call because I did not think he would last 2 yrs in the NFL. I thought the guy would be too small and not have the NFL arm.

I am one who will take a guy with a little less skill and a lot more heart any day of the week. Fire and desire will win more than lose and a great example of this is HAZ first year.

This saints offense is perfect for a QB who can read a defense, make quick decisions and is very accurate with his throws. Given it was preseason, but i was able to see 3 of his games and the guy looked more comfortable and looked like he had complete grasp of the gameplan when he played. This guy has stood in the pocket and taken some serious heat all through college and from what I saw this preseason nothing flustered him. He is not a qb who will cost you a game and most of the time he makes the play. The guy has the skills, the brain and the competitive fire. If he was big in stature he would be a star in the league. SF didn\'t give him a $1 mil. signing bonus and new contract for the heck of it.

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I wasn\'t trying to get any answer Gator. I\'ve been blasted b/c I\'m saying that I don\'t think Brooks is top5 and I don\'t think he will be while he\'s here. So I wanted to see if I was alone in that.

From what I see here, NO ONE thinks he\'s a top 5 QB right now, and there\'s varying opinion as to whether or not he will be in the future. Gator put it best when he said that the crux of the argument is your feeling about Brooks\' future - which is pretty hard to predict.

In any case, I have a follow-up question. If I\'m not mistaken, the Saints are paying Brooks a salary that ranks in the top five amongst quarterbacks in the league. We here all feel that he does not play up to that yet... SO...

How much time would you give Brooks before you expected to see CONSISTENT top 5 play?

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Well let\'s look at that arguement:


Top 5 QB\'s 1999
1 Kurt Warner
2 Steve Beuerlein
3 Peyton Manning
4 Rich Gannon
5 Brad Johnson

Top 5 QB\'s 2000
1. Kurt Warner
2. Jeff Garcia
3. Brett Favre
4. Rich Gannon
5. Tom Brady

Top 5 QB\'s 2001
1. Chad Pennington
2. Rich Gannon
3. Trent Green
4. Brad Johnson
5. Peyton Manning

Looks to me like there are a bunch of QB\'s that have been in the league a lot longer than Aaron Brooks that are recieving top 5 money, that haven\'t made it on that list. WhoDat, do we cut all of those guys??? How much longer do we give those guys? That arguement doesn\'t hold water in my book.

Brooks has done just fine and isn\'t an elite QB just yet, but he had a fine year last year and let\'s see how he does this year.

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I think the jury is still out on Brooks. You can\'t ignore the numbers (although many here do) It\'s kind of reminds of Bobby Hebert though. If you looked at his efficiency rating you would have thought the guy was an all-pro QB. People Who knew the real story of his inability to perform in clutch or inside the twenty knew better though. So numbers aren\'t the whole story.

This season will be litmus the test for Brooks. If he doesn\'t step up it\'s time to start over at the QB position. I don\'t blame the team for staking so much of its future on him as there have been more times that Brooks has looked like a star than a bust. I seem to remember much the same kind of pessimism about Archie Manning early in his carreer.