My thoughts on the game

saintz08 · 09-22-2003, 12:29 PM

A few good questions .

Does Mc Carthy know how the defense will line up at the line when he calls the play ??
The answer would be , NO.

If Mc Carthy called a play and Brooks saw it was going into the strength of the defense , she he audible out , YES . Why would Brooks run a 1 gap dive if the linebackers were stacked in the gap ???

Does Brooks call a hard count to keep aggressive defenses off balance ???

Mc Carthy can call a play , but isn\'t the final decision to run the play based upon the defensive alignment Brooks call ???

JOESAM2002 · 09-22-2003, 12:32 PM

Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM? :P

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-22-2003, 02:13 PM

08

If Mc Carthy called a play and Brooks saw it was going into the strength of the defense , she he audible out , YES . Why would Brooks run a 1 gap dive if the linebackers were stacked in the gap ???

I got what you\'re saying. The best way to call a play is for the QB to make a presnap read and call a play based off the defensive lineup. Since it\'s impossible for McCarthy to know what the defesive line up will be, why does he even call any plays? Why not just let Brooks call all of his plays at the line of scrimmage? Hell, why don\'t all teams do that?

While you bring up SOME valid points, you are mainly trying to point the finger at Brooks, when it should be pointing at McCarthy. You sound like you have some insider information. Does Brooks have the option to audiable on every call or just some of them? You don\'t know do ya? Which makes your whole arguement a moot point, doesn\'t it?

Things that make ya go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-22-2003, 03:53 PM

It has been brought up that the problem of the offense is that Brooks isn\'t smart enough to call audibles when it\'s obvious that the defense is taking away the run. Now, I ask you, what is the best way to counter the extra defender(s) on the line of scrimmage?

A.) Let Brooks audible out of a running play and call a pass? Well, you must consider that only one or two receivers are on the field. While it might be more successful than the run that was called -- It still doesn\'t provide good odds for a completion -- Especially since all those guys on the line are bull rushing the QB.

B.) Spread the field with 3 and 4 receiver sets and make the safety play the pass. With the speed that ALL of our receivers have -- don\'t you think we would have an advantage over their 3rd and 4th corners? Deuce would also have much more room to run -- Don\'t you think?

While an arguement can be made for just about anything. I do not feel this agruement on audibles carries much weight, because this whole problem could be solved by spreading the field with 3 and 4 receives. Also, I think because of the one receiver set called on running plays, it doesn\'t provide much chance of completing a pass if Aaron were to call an audible.

[Edited on 22/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

saintfan · 09-22-2003, 04:32 PM

\"08\"
Man, I don\'t know how old you are, but dude you sure are tired, or at least your act is. We win and Brooks got lucky...we lose and blame AB, even when 50 other glaring issues were right there in front of you on your TV screen, or are you listening on the radio? Maybe you need glasses.

104 passer rating. A TD that Joe Horn Dropped. Running for his freakin\' life ALL DAY! No, and I mean NO running game. No protection. No defense from the first snap. Terrible special teams play. Questionalbe play calling (and that\'s putting it kindly). All this and so many other things. The ONLY player who showed up last Sunday was Aaron Brooks. Will you PLEASE wake up and realize Delhomme plays for the Panthers. Like I said before, I think you should hurry back over there, they\'re missing you.

That goes for the rest of you too. That a thread like this could be started at all where all you same old people are in here doing your very level best to come up with a way to blame this team\'s problems on Brooks. It\'s old, and it\'s rediculous. His passes were lazers and they were on the mark and the man din\'t have time for a freakin\' 3 step drop! What in THE hell are you people smokin\'?

Lemme ask ya\'ll this ONE question since ya\'ll are gonna hold audibles against Brooks now (the latest instance of obvious reaching and a serios lack of vision by anyone who would entertain that thought)? What good is an audible where there is NO time to set up for a pass or no lanes to run through? Lemme simply it for you all...

1. Audible to a pass. No time to throw the damn ball.
2. Audible to a run. Nowhere to run the damn ball.

No, get off the Brooks debate long enough to recognize the problem and complain about something real rather then reaching yet again to further your agenda.

PS -- I tried really really hard to avoid this thread. I really did.

:casstet:

lumm0x · 09-22-2003, 05:38 PM

Just to throw my two cents into the whole thing, I think the whole \"audible\" arguements are moot because this was one game where the crowd noise played a large part in our pre-snap problems. It was so loud the Saints were using a silent count. We were jumping off side at WR, let alone Brooks having to try to unite the players with an audible. Same goes for hard counting the defense. The crowd was dead silent when the Titans had the snap and were very vocal when we did.

Would Brooks have actually been able to get audibles in? Add two or three delay penalties to the game then.

SuperbowlSaints · 09-22-2003, 06:21 PM

Runnin for his freakin life ALL DAY!!!

saintfan-

he was runnin all day because the O-line stunk, they were not giving AB any protection whatsoever. i also think that the O-line was a major factor in the loss, the other factor being the Difference, those two things are why we lost, plus the crowd noise didn\'t help, if the O-line, would have protected AB, AB would have been able to throw and not have to run for his life, brooks himself, had a great day.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-22-2003, 06:31 PM

LummOx makes a very good point but I\'ll betcha that either no one will respond to it or they will say that Brooks is too stupid to deal with crownd noise.

SuperbowlSaints · 09-22-2003, 06:36 PM

crowd noise was a huge factor. Any quarter back has a hard time with that, not just AB, especially on the road, crowd noise makes it hard to hear what play is being called, and even harder to Audible, which is probably why he didn\'t audible.

lumm0x · 09-22-2003, 06:37 PM

WhoDat said it best when he stated that we were completely owned in this game. The Titans couldn\'t have handled us better if they had our playbook and play script for the week before.

I wasn\'t displeased with how our defense held up. When you consider we were down five projected starters and were on the field for almost two games worth of time, I felt they did better than I would have thought they could given those circumstances. It could have been alot worse. To think that for a large part of the second half we were only down by one possession was a feat. I liked what Tim Ryan said during the game. He was picking on Ambrose for playing back on the WR and then he followed up by saying, how can you blame Ambrose though if that is what the coverage called in says for him to do. All things given, Venturi had to do a lot with a little in this game. I would have rather gone down in flames with all out blitzes than to get picked apart like that. It was like watching vultures pick meat off our bones all day.

As for Brooks, he did everything I wanted to see him do. The problem.....he had no time to do it. He made nice scrambles, through accurate balls, and contended with alot of pressure and crowd noise. The plays that he was asked to run were.....highly predictable, repetetively ineffective, and plain bad. Deuce ran hard at a brick wall.

We were out coached.

09-22-2003, 12:29 PM	#41
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	My thoughts on the game A few good questions . Does Mc Carthy know how the defense will line up at the line when he calls the play ?? The answer would be , NO. If Mc Carthy called a play and Brooks saw it was going into the strength of the defense , she he audible out , YES . Why would Brooks run a 1 gap dive if the linebackers were stacked in the gap ??? Does Brooks call a hard count to keep aggressive defenses off balance ??? Mc Carthy can call a play , but isn\'t the final decision to run the play based upon the defensive alignment Brooks call ???
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

09-22-2003, 12:32 PM	#42
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	My thoughts on the game Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM? :P

09-22-2003, 02:13 PM	#43
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	My thoughts on the game 08 If Mc Carthy called a play and Brooks saw it was going into the strength of the defense , she he audible out , YES . Why would Brooks run a 1 gap dive if the linebackers were stacked in the gap ??? I got what you\'re saying. The best way to call a play is for the QB to make a presnap read and call a play based off the defensive lineup. Since it\'s impossible for McCarthy to know what the defesive line up will be, why does he even call any plays? Why not just let Brooks call all of his plays at the line of scrimmage? Hell, why don\'t all teams do that? While you bring up SOME valid points, you are mainly trying to point the finger at Brooks, when it should be pointing at McCarthy. You sound like you have some insider information. Does Brooks have the option to audiable on every call or just some of them? You don\'t know do ya? Which makes your whole arguement a moot point, doesn\'t it? Things that make ya go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
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09-22-2003, 03:53 PM	#44
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	My thoughts on the game It has been brought up that the problem of the offense is that Brooks isn\'t smart enough to call audibles when it\'s obvious that the defense is taking away the run. Now, I ask you, what is the best way to counter the extra defender(s) on the line of scrimmage? A.) Let Brooks audible out of a running play and call a pass? Well, you must consider that only one or two receivers are on the field. While it might be more successful than the run that was called -- It still doesn\'t provide good odds for a completion -- Especially since all those guys on the line are bull rushing the QB. B.) Spread the field with 3 and 4 receiver sets and make the safety play the pass. With the speed that ALL of our receivers have -- don\'t you think we would have an advantage over their 3rd and 4th corners? Deuce would also have much more room to run -- Don\'t you think? While an arguement can be made for just about anything. I do not feel this agruement on audibles carries much weight, because this whole problem could be solved by spreading the field with 3 and 4 receives. Also, I think because of the one receiver set called on running plays, it doesn\'t provide much chance of completing a pass if Aaron were to call an audible. [Edited on 22/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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09-22-2003, 04:32 PM	#45
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	My thoughts on the game \"08\" Man, I don\'t know how old you are, but dude you sure are tired, or at least your act is. We win and Brooks got lucky...we lose and blame AB, even when 50 other glaring issues were right there in front of you on your TV screen, or are you listening on the radio? Maybe you need glasses. 104 passer rating. A TD that Joe Horn Dropped. Running for his freakin\' life ALL DAY! No, and I mean NO running game. No protection. No defense from the first snap. Terrible special teams play. Questionalbe play calling (and that\'s putting it kindly). All this and so many other things. The ONLY player who showed up last Sunday was Aaron Brooks. Will you PLEASE wake up and realize Delhomme plays for the Panthers. Like I said before, I think you should hurry back over there, they\'re missing you. That goes for the rest of you too. That a thread like this could be started at all where all you same old people are in here doing your very level best to come up with a way to blame this team\'s problems on Brooks. It\'s old, and it\'s rediculous. His passes were lazers and they were on the mark and the man din\'t have time for a freakin\' 3 step drop! What in THE hell are you people smokin\'? Lemme ask ya\'ll this ONE question since ya\'ll are gonna hold audibles against Brooks now (the latest instance of obvious reaching and a serios lack of vision by anyone who would entertain that thought)? What good is an audible where there is NO time to set up for a pass or no lanes to run through? Lemme simply it for you all... 1. Audible to a pass. No time to throw the damn ball. 2. Audible to a run. Nowhere to run the damn ball. No, get off the Brooks debate long enough to recognize the problem and complain about something real rather then reaching yet again to further your agenda. PS -- I tried really really hard to avoid this thread. I really did. :casstet:
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09-22-2003, 05:38 PM	#46
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	My thoughts on the game Just to throw my two cents into the whole thing, I think the whole \"audible\" arguements are moot because this was one game where the crowd noise played a large part in our pre-snap problems. It was so loud the Saints were using a silent count. We were jumping off side at WR, let alone Brooks having to try to unite the players with an audible. Same goes for hard counting the defense. The crowd was dead silent when the Titans had the snap and were very vocal when we did. Would Brooks have actually been able to get audibles in? Add two or three delay penalties to the game then.

09-22-2003, 06:21 PM	#47
SuperbowlSaints Registered Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 90	My thoughts on the game Runnin for his freakin life ALL DAY!!! saintfan- he was runnin all day because the O-line stunk, they were not giving AB any protection whatsoever. i also think that the O-line was a major factor in the loss, the other factor being the Difference, those two things are why we lost, plus the crowd noise didn\'t help, if the O-line, would have protected AB, AB would have been able to throw and not have to run for his life, brooks himself, had a great day.
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09-22-2003, 06:31 PM	#48
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	My thoughts on the game LummOx makes a very good point but I\'ll betcha that either no one will respond to it or they will say that Brooks is too stupid to deal with crownd noise.
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09-22-2003, 06:36 PM	#49
SuperbowlSaints Registered Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 90	My thoughts on the game crowd noise was a huge factor. Any quarter back has a hard time with that, not just AB, especially on the road, crowd noise makes it hard to hear what play is being called, and even harder to Audible, which is probably why he didn\'t audible.
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09-22-2003, 06:37 PM	#50
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	My thoughts on the game WhoDat said it best when he stated that we were completely owned in this game. The Titans couldn\'t have handled us better if they had our playbook and play script for the week before. I wasn\'t displeased with how our defense held up. When you consider we were down five projected starters and were on the field for almost two games worth of time, I felt they did better than I would have thought they could given those circumstances. It could have been alot worse. To think that for a large part of the second half we were only down by one possession was a feat. I liked what Tim Ryan said during the game. He was picking on Ambrose for playing back on the WR and then he followed up by saying, how can you blame Ambrose though if that is what the coverage called in says for him to do. All things given, Venturi had to do a lot with a little in this game. I would have rather gone down in flames with all out blitzes than to get picked apart like that. It was like watching vultures pick meat off our bones all day. As for Brooks, he did everything I wanted to see him do. The problem.....he had no time to do it. He made nice scrambles, through accurate balls, and contended with alot of pressure and crowd noise. The plays that he was asked to run were.....highly predictable, repetetively ineffective, and plain bad. Deuce ran hard at a brick wall. We were out coached.