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i'm so impressed with this guy, a ricky jackson type speed off the ball. i hope we take-um if hes still there

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pick this guy up first, i've got a gut feeling hes going to be awesome

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witherspoon dominated the senior bowl. i'll take live action over drills any day

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Your wrong but don't let that get in the way of making silly statements. It never has before.

The ILB's in a 3-4 are supposed to be extremely stout and in essence bring the DLine up to 5 members from 4 on run downs. Think Vaugn Johnson and Sam Mills. The NT, think Vince Wilfork, occupies two blockers and allows the LB's to fill on the run.

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It's also the reason we run a 4-3. Teams have to pass against us more frequently so we have LB's that are good in coverage, not thumpers against the run. Shanle, Vilma, Fujita are all very good coverage LB's against opposing TE's and RB's.

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Just a little knowlege to help you bone up Canton.


Advantages of the 3-4 Defense
The 3-4 Defense works best against a team that enjoys sweeping their running back to the outside or having their wide recievers run slant routes through the middle. It is easy to confuse the offense with the 3-4 defense by showing different blitz packages with the linebackers who may blitz or fall back into coverage.

The linebacking positions are made up of two outside linebackers and two inside linebackers. With speedy outside linebacker and powerful inside linebackers the 3-4 Defense is the most advantageous. Outside linebackers can track down passes across the middle or running backs sweeping to the outside while the inside linebackers can stop the run up the middle (though running up the middle is the best way to take advantage of the 3-4 Defense).

Disadvantages of the 3-4 Defense
The disadvantages of the 3-4 Defense lie inside its advantages. With four linebackers stacked in the middle of the field the offense can opt to put more wide receivers on the line of scrimmage (i.e. in a spread offensive scheme) leaving one or both of the outside linebackers to cover a speedier wide receiver in the slot, an obvious mismatch for the defense.


Does that sound like a Defense that is better against the pass to you in an NFL that is moving more and more towards multiple receiver sets?

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By the way, out of the top 5 run stuffing defenses in the league last year, 4 of them played 3-4. Like I said, don't let my use of statistics scare you from your inane posts.

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This has been the most informative disagreement that I have ever read. Both of ya'll make excellent points. This is the kind of stuff that an avid fan loves. I didn't play football(rugby is my game) so this kind of information is very valuable to someone with limited knowledge. Keep it coming.:duel:

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the 4 LBs playing anywhere from 2 to 3 yards off the line of scrimmage is not designed to help stop the run.....why would you want to stop the run 3 yards downfield when you can stop it at the line of scrimmage with an extra defensive linemen....whatever bs you just cooked up in these 3 posts has nothing to do with how the 3-4 stops the run the best

its easiest to run up the middle on a 3-4 defense because there is only 1 tackle in the middle as opposed to 2......the strength of the 3-4 is stopping the run on the outside because of the outside linebackers being split so far out

the defensive linemen are bigger in a 3-4 because they have to be....but that doesnt mean they are better at stopping the run....3-4 defensive linemen cant move as well and are confined to their small spaces.....anybody that runs outside of their arms reach is going to gain yardage. also the 3-4 gets hurt on inside runs because chip blocks are much easier.....the defensive tackles line up head up on the linemen so anybody chipping them and moving up only has to get a hand on them

the way to take advantage of any base defense is to spread them out and have the WRs mismatched on LBs.....you cant have LBs covering WRs in any defense because thats a mismatch

but having 4 LBs does take away passes in the middle and in the flats because of the LBs......something that LBs in a 4-3 simply cannot do every play because there are LESS of them

and 5 of the top ten were 4-3s......3 of the top 5 pass defenses were 3-4s......5 of the top ten pass defenses were 3-4s.....

and the best defenses in the league were 3-4 regardless of what they were trying to do but that is mostly because the league is a passing league

so maybe.....we are doing it wrong by running a 4-3 anyway......maybe we should run more of the 3-4 if thats the defense that is the best

and cody would fit that system best apparently

either way you twist it, cody is a good fit......cody stops the run in a 3-4 or a 4-3.....cody pushes the pocket in either a 3-4 or a 4-3......the saints blitz in every formation and cody ties up blockers in every formation

im not exactly sure where this argument went but im going to vote that we keep our arguments shortened from now on.....just give me this simple answer in a couple sentences

why is the 3-4 a better run stopping defense and the 4-3 is a better pass stopping defense?

also.....ru against drafting a DT all together or just terrence cody?

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i'll start by presenting my point in as few sentences as possible and we can let the peanut gallery decide

the 3-4 is better at stopping the pass because of the extra LBs which gives the defense more speed.....the 4-3 is better at stopping the run because there are more down linemen at the line of scrimmage