NFL COMBINE: DT's and LB's work out today and tomorrow!!

CantonLegend · 03-01-2010, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

We aren't drafting Cody. It's a promise friend.

lol i really dont care who we draft but your reasons for why we wont make no sense

cody is just as much an option as anybody

i believe he is a high priority for this team and i wouldnt be surpised to see us take either him or another DT that is projected as solely a 3-4 NT

stockman311 · 03-02-2010, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

lol i really dont care who we draft but your reasons for why we wont make no sense

cody is just as much an option as anybody

i believe he is a high priority for this team and i wouldnt be surpised to see us take either him or another DT that is projected as solely a 3-4 NT

If it makes no sense to you that the Saints run a 4-3 base defense and therefore are not going to draft a NT for a 3-4 defense, then you are just being obtuse.

And just so you know, we didn't run a 3-4 for a majority of the Superbowl. We ran a 3-3-5, with the knowlege that we were playing Peyton Manning. The only QB who gets rid of the football faster than Brees. We played back with an extra DB and blitzed Manning on 3 plays all game, waiting for him to make a mistake which he finally did to Porter.

Just because we ran an exotic package for a good portion of one game against a superior QB doesn't mean dick when it comes to the Defense we ran for the majority of the season. We don't have the OLB to play 3-4 and rush the passer, and we don't have the ILB with bulk to play the 3-4. See how happy Will Smith is when you move him inside in a 3-4 and take away his opportunities to get sacks. Yeah, that would be a really smart move.

The fact of the matter is that there are a ton of great DT, and DE in this draft that fit our scheme. Cody is not one of them, and as I said before, I will come back and apologize to you if we select him. I have doubts that he will even be on the board when we pick though. Too many teams are moving to a 3-4 and need a NT.

CantonLegend · 03-02-2010, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by stockman311

If it makes no sense to you that the Saints run a 4-3 base defense and therefore are not going to draft a NT for a 3-4 defense, then you are just being obtuse.

because we dont just run a base 4-3......we switched our base defense the entire season......we didnt just run a 4-3....no matter how many times you say it, we ran both defenses. when we lost our DTs we switched to 3 down linemen.....i wasnt a fan of the switch but we did it regardless of how you or I felt about it.....it happened and now that we know it can happen we will need a player to fit that scheme

And just so you know, we didn't run a 3-4 for a majority of the Superbowl. We ran a 3-3-5, with the knowlege that we were playing Peyton Manning. The only QB who gets rid of the football faster than Brees. We played back with an extra DB and blitzed Manning on 3 plays all game, waiting for him to make a mistake which he finally did to Porter.

whether we ran a nickel or a base the entire game doesnt matter to me......my point is that there were 3 defensive linemen in for most of the game.....it didnt just happen against the colts.....we played several games like that but that was the most recent

Just because we ran an exotic package for a good portion of one game against a superior QB doesn't mean dick when it comes to the Defense we ran for the majority of the season. We don't have the OLB to play 3-4 and rush the passer, and we don't have the ILB with bulk to play the 3-4. See how happy Will Smith is when you move him inside in a 3-4 and take away his opportunities to get sacks. Yeah, that would be a really smart move.

we dont have a DT to play a 3-4 either.....thats why we could draft one

and heres another thing......cody's biggest strength is stopping the run....

a 4-3 is best designed to stop the run.....why wouldnt we draft a player who best fits a defense to stop the run? even when we played with 4 defensive linemen, other teams still ran all over us

im not trying to be facetious.....and this argument has clearly been beaten to a pulp in only 2 short weeks......thats unfortunate

stockman311 · 03-02-2010, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

a 4-3 is best designed to stop the run.....why wouldnt we draft a player who best fits a defense to stop the run? even when we played with 4 defensive linemen, other teams still ran all over us

im not trying to be facetious.....and this argument has clearly been beaten to a pulp in only 2 short weeks......thats unfortunate

Completely false. A 3-4 is a run stopping formation by it's very nature. Not a 4-3. Do your homework.

CantonLegend · 03-02-2010, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Completely false. A 3-4 is a run stopping formation by it's very nature. Not a 4-3. Do your homework.

woah woah woah cheif

i was cool with debating you but now that you've said that i have something to tell you

do you know why the 3-4 was invented and why its becomin more prominant?

obviously not.....the 3-4 is designed to stop the pass....thats why there are more LBs....more LBs equals more speed......its also great at pass rushing because of all the blitzes you can come up with because of the extra LB.....the 3-4 is a base defense so obviously it can guard against both the run and the pass but it is better designed to stop the pass because of the extra LB and less suited to stop the run because of the 1 less defensive lineman

the 4-3 is better suited to stop the run because of the extra defensive lineman. they have less LBs so they are a bit more liable against the pass but because its a base defense it can usually guard against both well......the extra man on the front line is supposed to stuff the run and stop it at the line of scrimmage

the 3-4 is a pass defense first and a run defense second

a 4-3 is a run defense first and a pass defense second

like i said.....both of them are base defenses so they can do both fine but 1 is better suited to stop the run and the other is better suited to stop the pass

stockman311 · 03-02-2010, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

woah woah woah cheif

i was cool with debating you but now that you've said that i have something to tell you

do you know why the 3-4 was invented and why its becomin more prominant?

obviously not.....the 3-4 is designed to stop the pass....thats why there are more LBs....more LBs equals more speed......its also great at pass rushing because of all the blitzes you can come up with because of the extra LB.....the 3-4 is a base defense so obviously it can guard against both the run and the pass but it is better designed to stop the pass because of the extra LB and less suited to stop the run because of the 1 less defensive lineman

the 4-3 is better suited to stop the run because of the extra defensive lineman. they have less LBs so they are a bit more liable against the pass but because its a base defense it can usually guard against both well......the extra man on the front line is supposed to stuff the run and stop it at the line of scrimmage

the 3-4 is a pass defense first and a run defense second

a 4-3 is a run defense first and a pass defense second

like i said.....both of them are base defenses so they can do both fine but 1 is better suited to stop the run and the other is better suited to stop the pass

Your wrong but don't let that get in the way of making silly statements. It never has before.

The ILB's in a 3-4 are supposed to be extremely stout and in essence bring the DLine up to 5 members from 4 on run downs. Think Vaugn Johnson and Sam Mills. The NT, think Vince Wilfork, occupies two blockers and allows the LB's to fill on the run.

03-01-2010, 05:35 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: NFL COMBINE: DT's and LB's work out today and tomorrow!! Originally Posted by stockman311 We aren't drafting Cody. It's a promise friend. lol i really dont care who we draft but your reasons for why we wont make no sense cody is just as much an option as anybody i believe he is a high priority for this team and i wouldnt be surpised to see us take either him or another DT that is projected as solely a 3-4 NT

03-02-2010, 09:20 AM	#2
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: NFL COMBINE: DT's and LB's work out today and tomorrow!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend lol i really dont care who we draft but your reasons for why we wont make no sense cody is just as much an option as anybody i believe he is a high priority for this team and i wouldnt be surpised to see us take either him or another DT that is projected as solely a 3-4 NT If it makes no sense to you that the Saints run a 4-3 base defense and therefore are not going to draft a NT for a 3-4 defense, then you are just being obtuse. And just so you know, we didn't run a 3-4 for a majority of the Superbowl. We ran a 3-3-5, with the knowlege that we were playing Peyton Manning. The only QB who gets rid of the football faster than Brees. We played back with an extra DB and blitzed Manning on 3 plays all game, waiting for him to make a mistake which he finally did to Porter. Just because we ran an exotic package for a good portion of one game against a superior QB doesn't mean dick when it comes to the Defense we ran for the majority of the season. We don't have the OLB to play 3-4 and rush the passer, and we don't have the ILB with bulk to play the 3-4. See how happy Will Smith is when you move him inside in a 3-4 and take away his opportunities to get sacks. Yeah, that would be a really smart move. The fact of the matter is that there are a ton of great DT, and DE in this draft that fit our scheme. Cody is not one of them, and as I said before, I will come back and apologize to you if we select him. I have doubts that he will even be on the board when we pick though. Too many teams are moving to a 3-4 and need a NT.

03-02-2010, 10:40 AM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: NFL COMBINE: DT's and LB's work out today and tomorrow!! Originally Posted by stockman311 If it makes no sense to you that the Saints run a 4-3 base defense and therefore are not going to draft a NT for a 3-4 defense, then you are just being obtuse. because we dont just run a base 4-3......we switched our base defense the entire season......we didnt just run a 4-3....no matter how many times you say it, we ran both defenses. when we lost our DTs we switched to 3 down linemen.....i wasnt a fan of the switch but we did it regardless of how you or I felt about it.....it happened and now that we know it can happen we will need a player to fit that scheme And just so you know, we didn't run a 3-4 for a majority of the Superbowl. We ran a 3-3-5, with the knowlege that we were playing Peyton Manning. The only QB who gets rid of the football faster than Brees. We played back with an extra DB and blitzed Manning on 3 plays all game, waiting for him to make a mistake which he finally did to Porter. whether we ran a nickel or a base the entire game doesnt matter to me......my point is that there were 3 defensive linemen in for most of the game.....it didnt just happen against the colts.....we played several games like that but that was the most recent Just because we ran an exotic package for a good portion of one game against a superior QB doesn't mean dick when it comes to the Defense we ran for the majority of the season. We don't have the OLB to play 3-4 and rush the passer, and we don't have the ILB with bulk to play the 3-4. See how happy Will Smith is when you move him inside in a 3-4 and take away his opportunities to get sacks. Yeah, that would be a really smart move. we dont have a DT to play a 3-4 either.....thats why we could draft one and heres another thing......cody's biggest strength is stopping the run.... a 4-3 is best designed to stop the run.....why wouldnt we draft a player who best fits a defense to stop the run? even when we played with 4 defensive linemen, other teams still ran all over us im not trying to be facetious.....and this argument has clearly been beaten to a pulp in only 2 short weeks......thats unfortunate
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

03-02-2010, 11:49 AM	#4
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: NFL COMBINE: DT's and LB's work out today and tomorrow!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend a 4-3 is best designed to stop the run.....why wouldnt we draft a player who best fits a defense to stop the run? even when we played with 4 defensive linemen, other teams still ran all over us im not trying to be facetious.....and this argument has clearly been beaten to a pulp in only 2 short weeks......thats unfortunate Completely false. A 3-4 is a run stopping formation by it's very nature. Not a 4-3. Do your homework.

03-02-2010, 12:32 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: NFL COMBINE: DT's and LB's work out today and tomorrow!! Originally Posted by stockman311 Completely false. A 3-4 is a run stopping formation by it's very nature. Not a 4-3. Do your homework. woah woah woah cheif i was cool with debating you but now that you've said that i have something to tell you do you know why the 3-4 was invented and why its becomin more prominant? obviously not.....the 3-4 is designed to stop the pass....thats why there are more LBs....more LBs equals more speed......its also great at pass rushing because of all the blitzes you can come up with because of the extra LB.....the 3-4 is a base defense so obviously it can guard against both the run and the pass but it is better designed to stop the pass because of the extra LB and less suited to stop the run because of the 1 less defensive lineman the 4-3 is better suited to stop the run because of the extra defensive lineman. they have less LBs so they are a bit more liable against the pass but because its a base defense it can usually guard against both well......the extra man on the front line is supposed to stuff the run and stop it at the line of scrimmage the 3-4 is a pass defense first and a run defense second a 4-3 is a run defense first and a pass defense second like i said.....both of them are base defenses so they can do both fine but 1 is better suited to stop the run and the other is better suited to stop the pass
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

03-02-2010, 01:50 PM	#6
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: NFL COMBINE: DT's and LB's work out today and tomorrow!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend woah woah woah cheif i was cool with debating you but now that you've said that i have something to tell you do you know why the 3-4 was invented and why its becomin more prominant? obviously not.....the 3-4 is designed to stop the pass....thats why there are more LBs....more LBs equals more speed......its also great at pass rushing because of all the blitzes you can come up with because of the extra LB.....the 3-4 is a base defense so obviously it can guard against both the run and the pass but it is better designed to stop the pass because of the extra LB and less suited to stop the run because of the 1 less defensive lineman the 4-3 is better suited to stop the run because of the extra defensive lineman. they have less LBs so they are a bit more liable against the pass but because its a base defense it can usually guard against both well......the extra man on the front line is supposed to stuff the run and stop it at the line of scrimmage the 3-4 is a pass defense first and a run defense second a 4-3 is a run defense first and a pass defense second like i said.....both of them are base defenses so they can do both fine but 1 is better suited to stop the run and the other is better suited to stop the pass Your wrong but don't let that get in the way of making silly statements. It never has before. The ILB's in a 3-4 are supposed to be extremely stout and in essence bring the DLine up to 5 members from 4 on run downs. Think Vaugn Johnson and Sam Mills. The NT, think Vince Wilfork, occupies two blockers and allows the LB's to fill on the run.