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Tobias-Reiper 03-08-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 211995)

One last thing on Sharper. I love the guy, but let's take a look at who he got is 9 picks on last year.

2 INT's against Matthew Stafford, making his first career NFL start
1 INT against Kevin Kolb, making his first career NFL start
2 INT's against Mark Sanchez, making his 4th career NFL start
1 INT against Matt Ryan, in his second NFL season
1 INT against Tom Brady, when the Patriots where in full pass come from behind mode
1 INT against Josh Freeman, making his 15th career NFL start.

With the exception of Ryan and Brady, who I classify as excellent competition, Sharper feasted on Rookies and Second year QB's and I would say was pedestrian at best against quality QB's in the playoffs. I would actually classify his play in the playoffs as poor. 10 solo tackles and 1 Pass Defensed total against Arizona, Minny, and Indy combined.

I understand what you are saying, but, at the same time, other safeties in the NFL also played against rookies, first-time starters, and teams coming from behind during the regular season, and they didn't intercept 9 balls and scored 3 TDs.

As for Sharper's playoff performance, first, the playoff teams made it to the playoffs because they don't make many mistakes to begin with. And, a lot of times you really can't argue just numbers when talking defense. For example, Tracy Porter made 2 crucial interceptions and scored a TD in the playoffs and SB, and Greer made none. So who had the better run? Sure Tracy made 2 heady plays in reading the QBs and routes and his highlights were all over ESPN and the NFL Network, but the opposing QB's reluctance to throwing the ball to Greer's side gave Tracy the opportunity to make those plays. So just like shying away from Greer, Warner, Farve, Manning, they probably also shied away from Sharper because they knew of his skills, and thus giving Tracy the chance to become the Legend Slayer ..

strato 03-08-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212022)
The quality and information in my posts makes everyone think that. It doesn't make me feel any better actually. I'd prefer to have intelligent conversations about the Saints. I'd prefer if people would think before they typed. Obviously on a forum of this size, that preference is probably not going to be fulfilled in 100% of the cases.

Oh so you think your better than me??...What a joke pal...you dont have a clue do you..You expect me to bow to your all Saints knowledge and not have an opinon...dream on buddy..your messing with one diehard branded fan..

stockman311 03-08-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 212023)
I understand what you are saying, but, at the same time, other safeties in the NFL also played against rookies, first-time starters, and teams coming from behind during the regular season, and they didn't intercept 9 balls and scored 3 TDs.

As for Sharper's playoff performance, first, the playoff teams made it to the playoffs because they don't make many mistakes to begin with. And, a lot of times you really can't argue just numbers when talking defense. For example, Tracy Porter made 2 crucial interceptions and scored a TD in the playoffs and SB, and Greer made none. So who had the better run? Sure Tracy made 2 heady plays in reading the QBs and routes and his highlights were all over ESPN and the NFL Network, but the opposing QB's reluctance to throwing the ball to Greer's side gave Tracy the opportunity to make those plays. So just like shying away from Greer, Warner, Farve, Manning, they probably also shied away from Sharper because they knew of his skills, and thus giving Tracy the chance to become the Legend Slayer ..

I know for a fact that both Greer and Porter are EXCELLENT players and both had fantastic postseasons. I also know that our pass Defense dropped from 9th to 23rd in pass defense rankings when they were both out. It's the exact reason why I think Sharper is overated. Without Porter, Greer, and Gay in the lineup Sharper is not the same player. They make him better, not the other way around.

stockman311 03-08-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212026)
Oh so you think your better than me??...What a joke pal...you dont have a clue do you..You expect me to bow to your all Saints knowledge and not have an opinon...dream on buddy..your messing with one diehard branded fan..

I don't think I'm better than you. You obviously still haven't learned how to read my post. I am more informed than you. Much more, and therefore it makes no sense for me to continue having a conversation with you. You can't say anything of interest to me, because you don't know what you are talking about.

strato 03-08-2010 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212027)
I know for a fact that both Greer and Porter are EXCELLENT players and both had fantastic postseasons. I also know that our pass Defense dropped from 9th to 23rd in pass defense rankings when they were both out. It's the exact reason why I think Sharper is overated. Without Porter, Greer, and Gay in the lineup Sharper is not the same player. They make him better, not the other way around.

Well wont Greer and Porter be back???...and wouldnt Sharper teamed with them be e pretty good secondary?..i think so ..so whats your point?

exile 03-08-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212027)
Without Porter, Greer, and Gay in the lineup Sharper is not the same player. They make him better, not the other way around.

I think it is a two way street. It takes a good 5 players to make a good secondary. But yes our corners did help Sharper quite a bit. And our corners were helped by having Sharper instead of Kaesviharn behind them.

stockman311 03-08-2010 11:54 AM

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I've been a member of this forum since 2003 pal. Don't talk to me about diehard fandome. I've seen enough members come and go on this forum over the past 7 years that I can spot a wanna be when I see one.

strato 03-08-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212028)
I don't think I'm better than you. You obviously still haven't learned how to read my post. I am more informed than you. Much more, and therefore it makes no sense for me to continue having a conversation with you. You can't say anything of interest to me, because you don't know what you are talking about.

Ok suits me just fine...next time you want to try and degrade someone and you get called out ..remember you struck first pal..

exile 03-08-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212032)
I've been a member of this forum since 2003 pal. Don't talk to me about diehard fandome. I've seen enough members come and go on this forum over the past 7 years that I can spot a wanna be when I see one.

C'mon stockman... the Saints won the Superbowl. What is with the piss on the world attitude?

stockman311 03-08-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 212031)
I think it is a two way street. It takes a good 5 players to make a good secondary. But yes our corners did help Sharper quite a bit. And our corners were helped by having Sharper instead of Kaesviharn behind them.

If you look at Greer's DVOA numbers from last year he was the second highest rated CB in the league last year behind only Darell Revis. I.E. He helped Sharper much more than Sharper helped him. As I said I really like Sharper, but age is age and players don't generally get better at FS as they get closer to 35. They get worse.

strato 03-08-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212032)
I've been a member of this forum since 2003 pal. Don't talk to me about diehard fandome. I've seen enough members come and go on this forum over the past 7 years that I can spot a wanna be when I see one.

So can i ...and you dont really matter to me one way or the other...i know where my heart is at...so does anyone who knows me...

RaginCajun83 03-08-2010 11:58 AM

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I'm not saying I'm wanting HOF quality LBs, those come once a generation, sometimes once a franchise. Teams that are built correctly find quality players to replace quality players that leave (Steelers, Patriots, Colts, Eagles) this franchise has never done that. I just want the Saints to find the best player that gives this team the best chance to repeat as champs or to be competitive for years to come. To Loomis, Fujita has asked more than what the team thought he was worth (I have to agree) so they let him walk.

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 212034)
C'mon stockman... the Saints won the Superbowl. What is with the piss on the world attitude?

I don't have a piss on the world attitude. I just want people to think before they type. I think sometimes people just post on here because they have fingers and can type. My dream is to see the level of sophistication and knowlege rise on this board so that we are the best, and most well informed fans in the league. Unfortunately, if you call out anyone for any reason in today's PC environment you are just being an A-hole evidently. Well that's BS. I will continue to call out posts, that I find to be driven by drama and hysterics instead of common sense.

exile 03-08-2010 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212039)
I don't have a piss on the world attitude. I just want people to think before they type. I think sometimes people just post on here because they have fingers and can type. My dream is to see the level of sophistication and knowlege rise on this board so that we are the best, and most well informed fans in the league. Unfortunately, if you call out anyone for any reason in today's PC environment you are just being an A-hole evidently. Well that's BS. I will continue to call out posts, that I find to be driven by drama and hysterics instead of common sense.

Ok, search through my posts and you can eat away a few weeks to call them all out. Have fun. :mrgreen:

strato 03-08-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 212040)
Ok, search through my posts and you can eat away a few weeks to call them all out. Have fun. :mrgreen:

Really...lol...what does he expect ..what a critic ..i just said i was steamed we let Fujita go ...and now im a worthless..misinformed fan.

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212037)
So can i ...and you dont really matter to me one way or the other...i know where my heart is at...so does anyone who knows me...

I don't care where your heart lies. I'm sure you are a Saints fan. No doubt about it. Saints fans are my people. I was born and raised in the city and I bleed black and gold, but what I don't do is allow that passion to overcome common sense, when it comes to personnel moves. Players will come and go, and that is the business of football.

strato 03-08-2010 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212043)
I don't care where your heart lies. I'm sure you are a Saints fan. No doubt about it. Saints fans are my people. I was born and raised in the city and I bleed black and gold, but what I don't do is allow that passion to overcome common sense, when it comes to personnel moves. Players will come and go, and that is the business of football.

Are u paying the players?...if not your opinion is about as worthless as mine...now passion is where i have you beat..

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212042)
Really...lol...what does he expect ..what a critic ..i just said i was steamed we let Fujita go ...and now im a worthless..misinformed fan.

There's a reason we didn't match Cleveland. And it had nothing to with the man and everyting to do with money. If you don't think the entire league revolves around the dollar then I don't know what to tell you. When we don't have any football in 2011 are you going to be "steamed" about it?

Is that going to help your life any to be "steamed" about something that has nothing to do with you and beyond your control?

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212044)
Are u paying the players?...if not your opinion is about as worthless as mine...now passion is where i have you beat..

Whatever you say pal. I was on Bourbon St. the second the Saints won the Superbowl and hugged and high fived about 5 thousand strangers that night until about 4 AM. I've got more passion in my little finger than you have in your whole body.

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212044)
Are u paying the players?...if not your opinion is about as worthless as mine...now passion is where i have you beat..


So basically anyone who isn't Tom Benson has no value to their opinon is what your saying? What a joke. Trust me when I tell you, my opinion may not be worth much, but it has more value than yours.

strato 03-08-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212046)
There's a reason we didn't match Cleveland. And it had nothing to with the man and everyting to do with money. If you don't think the entire league revolves around the dollar then I don't know what to tell you. When we don't have any football in 2011 are you going to be "steamed" about it?

Is that going to help your life any to be "steamed" about something that has nothing to do with you and beyond your control?

Dude give me a break...if theres no football in 2011..im sure the everyone will be STEAMED!!..its my right to be mad..i liked Fujita and wanted him to stay..thats my right as a fan...Who the hell are you to tell me to shut up and not be mad..Do you think you own these boards?..lol..Get a grip man

falconhater 03-08-2010 12:14 PM

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THIS IS GETTING PLUM STUPID NEITHER OF YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS QUIT FILLING THIS NBOARD WITH SENSELESS ARGUMENTS AND PERSONAL POT SHOTS! AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON CELEBRATE TOGETHER WE ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by falconhater (Post 212050)
THIS IS GETTING PLUM STUPID NEITHER OF YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS QUIT FILLING THIS NBOARD WITH SENSELESS ARGUMENTS AND PERSONAL POT SHOTS! AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON CELEBRATE TOGETHER WE ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!

I will agree that I hate the Falcons.

strato 03-08-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by falconhater (Post 212050)
THIS IS GETTING PLUM STUPID NEITHER OF YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS QUIT FILLING THIS NBOARD WITH SENSELESS ARGUMENTS AND PERSONAL POT SHOTS! AGREE TO DISAGREE AND MOVE ON CELEBRATE TOGETHER WE ARE WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!

I agree..and as far as Saints Einstien...he is a pretty crappy guy...and no friend of mine..

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212053)
I agree..and as far as Saints Einstien...he is a pretty crappy guy...and no friend of mine..

Fine, Im a pretty crappy guy. Instead of trying to LISTEN and LEARN something about the business and performance side of football, you'd rather just stick to your guns. Great.

strato 03-08-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212055)
Fine, Im a pretty crappy guy. Instead of trying to LISTEN and LEARN something about the business and performance side of football, you'd rather just stick to your guns. Great.

Well if u apologized for being an ass ..i might forget this..

darstep 03-08-2010 12:25 PM

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THANK YOU SCOTT! ALL THE BEST.

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212057)
Well if u apologized for being an ass ..i might forget this..

I will apologize for being an ass when you admit that I am a more informed fan than you when it comes to the performance and financial matters of the New Orleans Saints.

strato 03-08-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212060)
I will apologize for being an ass when you admit that I am a more informed fan than you when it comes to the performance and financial matters of the New Orleans Saints.

Not a chance..i can find any info you can pal..its called the internet..lol

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212062)
Not a chance..i can find any info you can pal..its called the internet..lol

Well then, that's the spirit. Maybe henceforth we can all start looking forward to more well informed posts from you. Hooray!! I suggest as your first step, to google the words A** and First Base and see what you come up with.

strato 03-08-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212064)
Well then, that's the spirit. Maybe henceforth we can all start looking forward to more well informed posts from you. Hooray!! I suggest as your first step, to google the words A** and First Base and see what you come up with.

Your showing your true colors...how does it feel??...make you happy to know your the smartest Saints fan?..We should have the Stockman award..for the biggest a$$*&$e....

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 212067)
Your showing your true colors...how does it feel??...make you happy to know your the smartest Saints fan?..We should have the Stockman award..for the biggest a$$*&$e....

I'm all for it, as long I get to create the trophy and present it each year.

It would be like the Calvin and Hobbs' Ford sticker, made entirely of brass, except it would have stockman written on the back of Calvins shirt and instead of Ford, it would say Strato! I think that a great deal of members would fight to win it each year. We could have a ceremony and everything.

strato 03-08-2010 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212078)
I'm all for it, as long I get to create the trophy and present it each year.

It would be like the Calvin and Hobbs' Ford sticker, made entirely of brass, except it would have stockman written on the back of Calvins shirt and instead of Ford, it would say Strato! I think that a great deal of members would fight to win it each year. We could have a ceremony and everything.

Well until we have a new winner its all your to cherish..You earned it..lol..

stockman311 03-08-2010 12:58 PM

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That's fantastic! I've got so many people to thank...let me go get my list.

Tobias-Reiper 03-08-2010 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 212027)
I know for a fact that both Greer and Porter are EXCELLENT players and both had fantastic postseasons. I also know that our pass Defense dropped from 9th to 23rd in pass defense rankings when they were both out. It's the exact reason why I think Sharper is overated. Without Porter, Greer, and Gay in the lineup Sharper is not the same player. They make him better, not the other way around.


But, dude, you take both the starting corners out, especially the type of corners Jabari and Tracy are, and then put a combination of Usama-Jenkins-Gay playing corner, of course your pass defense is going to suffer, regardless of who plays FS for you. None of the replacements at CB can cover routes or re-route receivers like Jabari and Tracy can.

I don't know if Sharper is over-rated or not, or who is over-rating him, but compared against the other FSs in the league, he made the plays when he had the opportunity and the others didn't. That's it.

How much he gets paid, that's not for me to decide. It is not my money, but I am not going to say he does or doesn't deserve a certain amount of money because he plays with better corners or worse corners.

RaginCajun83 03-08-2010 01:02 PM

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When did I stumble back onto SR ... wtf

stockman311 03-08-2010 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 212085)
But, dude, you take both the starting corners out, especially the type of corners Jabari and Tracy are, and then put a combination of Usama-Jenkins-Gay playing corner, of course your pass defense is going to suffer, regardless of who plays FS for you. None of the replacements at CB can cover routes or re-route receivers like Jabari and Tracy can.

I don't know if Sharper is over-rated or not, or who is over-rating him, but compared against the other FSs in the league, he made the plays when he had the opportunity and the others didn't. That's it.

How much he gets paid, that's not for me to decide. It is not my money, but I am not going to say he does or doesn't deserve a certain amount of money because he plays with better corners or worse corners.

I can agree with this. However, I will tell you that the Saints just aren't going to overpay for aging veterans. They have already proven they won't with Fujita. IF there had been a cap this year the Saints would have been over it, and I expect them to be fiscally responsible this year in case the cap comes back next year. If another teams comes in at $5MM-$6MM or mutliple years (3 years) on Sharper he is as good as gone IMHO. Thanks for the post.

strato 03-08-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 212087)
When did I stumble back onto SR ... wtf

I dont know..i guess he feels its ok to degrade folks...oh and i like the avatar,,i did the same thing for my brother...it was a feeling like no other..

RaginCajun83 03-08-2010 01:09 PM

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Thanks ... I plan on doing more pics for a superbowl tribute the next time I'm in Lafayette

strato 03-08-2010 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 212085)
But, dude, you take both the starting corners out, especially the type of corners Jabari and Tracy are, and then put a combination of Usama-Jenkins-Gay playing corner, of course your pass defense is going to suffer, regardless of who plays FS for you. None of the replacements at CB can cover routes or re-route receivers like Jabari and Tracy can.

I don't know if Sharper is over-rated or not, or who is over-rating him, but compared against the other FSs in the league, he made the plays when he had the opportunity and the others didn't. That's it.
How much he gets paid, that's not for me to decide. It is not my money, but I am not going to say he does or doesn't deserve a certain amount of money because he plays with better corners or worse corners.

Yep i agree..and without thinking of his age that right there is top five safety money..


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