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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by stockman311 One last thing on Sharper. I love the guy, but let's take a look at who he got is 9 picks on last year. 2 INT's against Matthew Stafford, making his first career NFL start 1 ...

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Old 03-08-2010, 12:47 PM   #81
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One last thing on Sharper. I love the guy, but let's take a look at who he got is 9 picks on last year.

2 INT's against Matthew Stafford, making his first career NFL start
1 INT against Kevin Kolb, making his first career NFL start
2 INT's against Mark Sanchez, making his 4th career NFL start
1 INT against Matt Ryan, in his second NFL season
1 INT against Tom Brady, when the Patriots where in full pass come from behind mode
1 INT against Josh Freeman, making his 15th career NFL start.

With the exception of Ryan and Brady, who I classify as excellent competition, Sharper feasted on Rookies and Second year QB's and I would say was pedestrian at best against quality QB's in the playoffs. I would actually classify his play in the playoffs as poor. 10 solo tackles and 1 Pass Defensed total against Arizona, Minny, and Indy combined.
I understand what you are saying, but, at the same time, other safeties in the NFL also played against rookies, first-time starters, and teams coming from behind during the regular season, and they didn't intercept 9 balls and scored 3 TDs.

As for Sharper's playoff performance, first, the playoff teams made it to the playoffs because they don't make many mistakes to begin with. And, a lot of times you really can't argue just numbers when talking defense. For example, Tracy Porter made 2 crucial interceptions and scored a TD in the playoffs and SB, and Greer made none. So who had the better run? Sure Tracy made 2 heady plays in reading the QBs and routes and his highlights were all over ESPN and the NFL Network, but the opposing QB's reluctance to throwing the ball to Greer's side gave Tracy the opportunity to make those plays. So just like shying away from Greer, Warner, Farve, Manning, they probably also shied away from Sharper because they knew of his skills, and thus giving Tracy the chance to become the Legend Slayer ..
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The quality and information in my posts makes everyone think that. It doesn't make me feel any better actually. I'd prefer to have intelligent conversations about the Saints. I'd prefer if people would think before they typed. Obviously on a forum of this size, that preference is probably not going to be fulfilled in 100% of the cases.
Oh so you think your better than me??...What a joke pal...you dont have a clue do you..You expect me to bow to your all Saints knowledge and not have an opinon...dream on buddy..your messing with one diehard branded fan..
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I understand what you are saying, but, at the same time, other safeties in the NFL also played against rookies, first-time starters, and teams coming from behind during the regular season, and they didn't intercept 9 balls and scored 3 TDs.

As for Sharper's playoff performance, first, the playoff teams made it to the playoffs because they don't make many mistakes to begin with. And, a lot of times you really can't argue just numbers when talking defense. For example, Tracy Porter made 2 crucial interceptions and scored a TD in the playoffs and SB, and Greer made none. So who had the better run? Sure Tracy made 2 heady plays in reading the QBs and routes and his highlights were all over ESPN and the NFL Network, but the opposing QB's reluctance to throwing the ball to Greer's side gave Tracy the opportunity to make those plays. So just like shying away from Greer, Warner, Farve, Manning, they probably also shied away from Sharper because they knew of his skills, and thus giving Tracy the chance to become the Legend Slayer ..
I know for a fact that both Greer and Porter are EXCELLENT players and both had fantastic postseasons. I also know that our pass Defense dropped from 9th to 23rd in pass defense rankings when they were both out. It's the exact reason why I think Sharper is overated. Without Porter, Greer, and Gay in the lineup Sharper is not the same player. They make him better, not the other way around.
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Oh so you think your better than me??...What a joke pal...you dont have a clue do you..You expect me to bow to your all Saints knowledge and not have an opinon...dream on buddy..your messing with one diehard branded fan..
I don't think I'm better than you. You obviously still haven't learned how to read my post. I am more informed than you. Much more, and therefore it makes no sense for me to continue having a conversation with you. You can't say anything of interest to me, because you don't know what you are talking about.
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I know for a fact that both Greer and Porter are EXCELLENT players and both had fantastic postseasons. I also know that our pass Defense dropped from 9th to 23rd in pass defense rankings when they were both out. It's the exact reason why I think Sharper is overated. Without Porter, Greer, and Gay in the lineup Sharper is not the same player. They make him better, not the other way around.
Well wont Greer and Porter be back???...and wouldnt Sharper teamed with them be e pretty good secondary?..i think so ..so whats your point?
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Without Porter, Greer, and Gay in the lineup Sharper is not the same player. They make him better, not the other way around.
I think it is a two way street. It takes a good 5 players to make a good secondary. But yes our corners did help Sharper quite a bit. And our corners were helped by having Sharper instead of Kaesviharn behind them.
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I've been a member of this forum since 2003 pal. Don't talk to me about diehard fandome. I've seen enough members come and go on this forum over the past 7 years that I can spot a wanna be when I see one.
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I don't think I'm better than you. You obviously still haven't learned how to read my post. I am more informed than you. Much more, and therefore it makes no sense for me to continue having a conversation with you. You can't say anything of interest to me, because you don't know what you are talking about.
Ok suits me just fine...next time you want to try and degrade someone and you get called out ..remember you struck first pal..
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I've been a member of this forum since 2003 pal. Don't talk to me about diehard fandome. I've seen enough members come and go on this forum over the past 7 years that I can spot a wanna be when I see one.
C'mon stockman... the Saints won the Superbowl. What is with the piss on the world attitude?
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I think it is a two way street. It takes a good 5 players to make a good secondary. But yes our corners did help Sharper quite a bit. And our corners were helped by having Sharper instead of Kaesviharn behind them.
If you look at Greer's DVOA numbers from last year he was the second highest rated CB in the league last year behind only Darell Revis. I.E. He helped Sharper much more than Sharper helped him. As I said I really like Sharper, but age is age and players don't generally get better at FS as they get closer to 35. They get worse.

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