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i guess it's what you play for...i play games to win...in fact, my job is to "win" in a round about way ;) and if my team and i didn't succeed...there would be problems. good luck browns, lions, rams...i hope you do win, but the odds aren't in your favor. i wouldn't get much satisfaction.

i could get paid a ton but at the end of the day i want to be the best and win, not paid the best and lose. maybe my rose colored glasses are on, but whatever...we're living in the 21st century...money rules.

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[QUOTE=OldMaid;212938]Confused here??????:confused:
Why so hard on Sharper? Just asking,just asking. The tone of this thread is rather odd.
Yeah, the guy is 34 and just came off a SB winning team.
He wants to use that leverage and the work of his last year to get the biggest pay day he can.
The Saints cannot give him a pay he wants and will not do so and that is fine.
Soooooo, Sharper's (agents) will shop him around out there for the biggest pay day he can get.
So what if he ends up at Buffalo, Detroit or worst?
He'll play for big pay a year and call it a career over. Afterbeing part of a SB winning team, there is really no place to go but to the bank.
Another SB win or try for any team is very hard to do.
Fujita is in Cleveland.
Hey, the same thing Sharper is doing, Fujita did and we all wished him well etc.
Why not the same thing for Sharper?
This is the NFL ( Not For Long).
All of this loyalty talk and talk on how Sharper should look for the less pay day he can get is really silly.
Would you if you were Sharper ? No.
Would you if you were Fujita? No.

In my opinion, I don't care if he goes or not. He's pissing me off with the "their not showing the love" comments. I'll show him the love, a good kick in his ass. I like Sharper, but he's not handling this the right way. Keep your mouth shut and let your agent and the front office work out the deal. Fujita didn't say **** till he had signed with the Browns and his deal was done. More class, more respect!

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I did say in another post here that my only problem is keep quiet and let agents do the behind the scenes thing. I said this about Sharper here and I said in somewhere in a post ,something about Eli Manning when he showed no class in being drafted by SD.

In other words,yeah, I agree with you on that.

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:bng:

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I am at a loss on this. In fact, at this point, I hope he does go somewhere else, and suceeds beyond the 09 season. Then maybe you "younguns", will stop putting so much emphasis on a person's age, and recognize their ability instead. There were actually people in here sticking up for Charles Grant for God's sake! That tub o lard, hasn't lived up to ANY of the money we gave him. Which was far more than 5 million dollars. He was even quoted as saying he wanted to go to Atlanta, just to stick it to us twice a year, and STILL some of you said you "would rather have him back, than some of these other guys mentioned." You scream, it's a business out of one side of your mouth, and then start preaching player loyalty out of the other. Out of curiosity, why is ok for team management, to cut someone loose, when they want to get paid, more than what they are willing to give, but it's completely arrogant for a player, to go play for someone else, if they ARE willing to pay them the money? You can't have your cake and eat it too folks.

Just remember, all you guys saying over and over again, how we did him a favor, when no one else wanted him, that the team we beat to get that Superbowl, was the exact team, that let him go in the first place. This time next year, if we are talking about how Sharper had a great year with the Cowboys, which is a rumor I heard today, that he is in talks with them, then I want someone to go find all of these threads, so we can all see who was wrong, and who was right.

I'm all for a team concept, with the Saints, but how much of a team is there, when guys who bust their ass for us, get accused of being a "system player", or "not worth the money", when it comes down to keeping the TEAM together? Him wanting the money he thinks he's worth, is exactly the same, as management not being willing to pay it. I see no difference what-so-ever.

And refresh my memory one more time, there still isn't a cap next season right? I have heard a few of you exclaim many times, "It's not my money, why do I care?" EXACTLY.

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I agree with with many of your points there, saintpaul.
The SB is being dismantled.
Unfortunately for Saints org, some key players are at or around 30 or older, UFA, FA,and the Saints have only so much money.
I wish the whole SB team would be there for 2010 with areas in need filled by 2nd string or 1st string players the coaching staff can mold. It just cannot be.
I cannot fault Fujiata,Sharper and anyone else going for the biggest payday they can get.:bng:

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I think we will resign Sharper but at $3 million a year not $6.5 million. Maybe throw in a few incentives. If another team pays more than that, I won't hold anything against the Saints for letting him walk or Sharper for taking the money. He knows the loyalty of the fans in N.O. but loyalty wont buy him crap. Same thing with Fujita, his was the first jersey I bought in 2006, had to customize it on nflshop because he wasn't popular yet. I hold no hard feelings towards him for taking the money Cleveland offered and hold nothing against the Saints for not matching. He is on the down side of his carrer now and the same with Sharper. It may not be a capped year this year but the cap will be back in 2011 and then you could find yourself in real trouble if you are overpaying this year.

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No one is going to put a term down either verbally or (heaven forbid) paper until that GM sees Sharper work out after his knee. He played hurt (which was good/bad) and he missed a few games because of the newly surgically repaired knee.

All his talk is a smokescreen. If he were healthy, he'd have been signed already.

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I also want to point out, that people questioned his lack of play making, when Greer, and Porter were out. Now can anyone recall, when he first hurt his knee? It was around the TB game, at Tampa if I remember correctly. Now, if it was hurt that bad, where he needed offseason surgery, then can't we give him a little props, for sticking it out, when we needed him? Not to mention, that knee, could possibly be the reason why he didn't produce as much as he did in the first half of the season? Possibly?

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Hey im 43 ..so Sharper is a young gun...let the man play!!!..the Saints aint showing me no luv....lol

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I'm closing in on ya strat, so yeah, 34 is definately an age I wouldn't mind being at again.

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New Orleans Saints: Does Darren Sharper deserve the franchise tag?


It's easy to make the case that the Saints need to lock up Darren Sharper. His arrival last summer coincided with a dramatic upswing in the quality of the Saints' pass defense, which finished ninth in DVOA. Sharper tied for the league lead with nine interceptions, scored three touchdowns -- and had nearly twice as many yards on interception returns as anyone else in the league. Oh, and then the Saints won the Super Bowl. Throw in his veteran leadership, his age (35 in 2010), and the looming uncapped year, and it makes sense to give him a one-year, $6.5 million deal to return for another season.



Once you start examining those points, though, cracks begin to emerge in the foundation. For one, correlation is not always causation. While Sharper was undoubtedly an upgrade on the Tebucky Joneses of the world that came before him, another player arrived in New Orleans this offseason: Jabari Greer. Quietly, Greer emerged as an elite cornerback when he was healthy; more notably, when he was absent, the Saints' pass defense declined dramatically. The Saints had the third-best pass defense in the league when Greer was in the lineup, but they fell all the way to 20th when Greer was out. Sharper was in the lineup for all but two of those Greer-less games, and could do little to stop the rot; the facts suggest it was Greer, not Sharper, whose arrival turned the defensive tide.



As for the nine interceptions? Sharper's unquestionably a ball hawk, leading all active players in career interceptions, but that doesn't mean he's good for nine again. He's had two other nine-pick seasons, 2000 and 2005; he averaged only five interceptions in the subsequent two seasons. That's not just a Sharper thing, either; from 1990 to 2008, there were 25 instances of a player picking off nine passes in a given year. In the season after their huge INT run, those defenders averaged fewer than three interceptions. Not a single player managed to get nine picks in back-to-back seasons. Five would be a much more realistic target for Sharper's 2010, and that's not anything to write home about.



Against the run, Sharper's average at best. It's unfair to pick one play and use it as an example of a player's ability, but go watch that 26-yard run from Joseph Addai in the Super Bowl again. The Colts' halfback embarrassed Sharper with a juke in the open field, and it wasn't the only time Sharper was made to look feeble this year. Whoever signs Sharper this offseason will be paying for last year's interception total, Greer's excellent play and a reasonable amount of veteran leadership. Of course, if veteran leadership was so important, the Vikings probably wouldn't have let go of Sharper in the first place.

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yea.....it hurts to have starters out....DUH.....the genius that wrote this needs to take a step back and think......of course greer was great.......of course he helped us a ton.......and of course when he got hurt we werent as good....oh and porter got hurt......and we lost a LB for a few games......and we lost our starting NT and our DE and we had 2 guys off the unemployment list starting for us at corner

but that probably had nothing to do with it

yea....9 INTs is a lot......maybe teams like to take notes after those seasons and NOT THROW THAT WAY as much.......its pretty obvious that if a guy picks off passes like that and can return them for TDs from anywhere, that i would stop throwing towards him. sharper has had 9 INTs in 3 seasons.....so clearly he can put up that kind of production

in fact.....he averages over 5 INTs per season so he is capable of putting up solid numbers every year

sharper had only 1 INT last season so maybe teams started to actually believe he was over the hill.....thats easy to tell by his production early in the season.....but like i said before.....teams stopped throwin at him later in the season and his production declined.....isnt the threat of him sometimes just as good as the actual production? i think so

yea the one play that he had his head down......nobody can tackle the ball carrier if they cant see them

and the veteran leadership thing? it probably had nothing to do with jared allen entering his 6th season

i know sharper was a true vet......but the vikings are a proven defense with solid vets all over the place......the saints have one of the youngest secondaries in the league.....it didnt have the veteran leadership

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On the flip-side, it's certainly not an indication that he has slipped any. 9 is a big number when you are talking single season INT's.

But you're right...he'll probably only get 7 or 8 next season.

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I doubt he gets 5 given the level of QB we play this year vs. last year. That is if we "choose" to resign him. He'll have to get off crutches first though.

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Somebody stole his kwan

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I think we re-sign him

BUT not at 6.5 million!!!