Lions speak on possible use of Hargrove...
 

Lions coach Jim Schwartz said that restricted free agent DL Anthony Hargrove would "play end on first and second down and then rush from the inside on third down" if he ends up signing with Detroit.

Hargrove, who has never really lived up to his potential, visited Detroit last week but does not have an offer yet. However, it sounds like Schwartz wants Hargrove in the fold as the defensive line overhaul in Detroit continues.

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lions third? not bad but i still want him back

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never lived up to potential?

42 tackles as a backup with a forced fumble and 2 TDs?

dude lived up to his potential if you ask me

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he did fine for us. theyre talking about his potential coming out of college.

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Hey lets keep him here.

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Hargrove sure had a great year for us.Would love to keep him.

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I hope we keep him..he is a Saint to me

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agreed...he fits. please sign him back.

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hardgrove, Grants replacement?

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I could see this actually. When I was reading how the Lions would plan on using him, it made me think "Why can't we do this with him?". Have him on the end on 1st and 2nd down and move him to the middle on 3rd down with McCray coming in at end.

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I just had a Rolling Stones moment...
:beatnik:

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Keeping hargrove brings the sound of Peytons voice to my ears.
Do you like it... No I Love it!!!

Let Hargrove replace Grant Take MT Cody with 32 for inside run stuffing ability on 1st and 2nd down and to keep Vilma clean and active on pass rushing downs.

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Any of you ever been to Detroit? The word armpit comes to mind.

This is a freakin no brainer, it would seem.

Keep the dude. He is good. Anyone who says he didn't live up to his potential is a knucklehead. Take up basket weaving.

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he will stay. There is no 2nd or 3rd pick that will be equal to him over the next 2 years

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I would like to see us keep him also!!

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***cough cough****

cam thomas, terrence cody, brian price

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Need to keep this guy in a bad way. The Saints d-line is already in enough trouble, no need to create an additional hole in it.

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I agree..

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Any word on him yet, when do we have to match by??

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Sorry guy, there is noway these 3 will preform like Hargrove would this coming year. Hargrove is a beast who has finally got his life in order and is focusing on football. If he has the chance he will be probowl bound next year.

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hargrove couldnt start on our team that had a lot of holes on the defensive line

all 3 of those guys are going to start next season for whichever team drafts them

hargrove is good for us....but he is a backup and has a very little chance of making the pro bowl in the same conference as guys like pat and kevin williams, albert haynesworth, ryan pickett, etc etc etc

hargrove doesnt stand a chance....he isnt even the best DT on our team let alone a pro bowler at DT

now the other 3 guys might not make the pro bowl.....but they will be available in the early 2nd round probably and they will all start day 1 and they will all contribute heavily

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Lions are licking their chops.
They aren't accustomed to having an actual football player.

The list of ways they could use him are fairly infinite considering how badly the Lions suck.

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The Lions haven't offered anything to Hargrove yet, KB. They've just had him in for a look.

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I will halfway agree with you here, but only because Hargrove is a natural DE. He was used at DT, because the position was decimated with injuries with Clancy gone for the year and Ellis missing several games. Not many players can be expected to be a Pro Bowl player switching DE to DT. Plus, he is undersized for the position. He's listed at 272 lbs. That's very small for a DT. The guy played with a great motor regardless of what he lacked size-wise. Put him out on the edge like he should be, and this guy could be very, very good.

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and even with all the injuries who were our starting DTs?

ayodele and ellis

hargrove was a menace in the middle because guards and centers werent used to blocking guys that were faster than them coming out of a 3 or 4 point stance

guards and centers usually have the benefit of being faster and can usually out maneuver the DTs even if they cant out muscle them

idk if hargrove can play full time at DE because idk if hes fast enough

but he is faster than most DTs and his motor seems to run nonstop

im excited about this guy for depth but i cant see him starting more than a handful of games

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Ummm....Apparently you didn't fully read what I typed, but Ellis was out for a number of games, as well. Hargrove started those games.


Agreed, but there were times when he was bullied on run plays due to his lack of size. That's why he should probably only be used as a DT on passing downs.


From what I saw from the guy last year, he's a lot faster than Charles Grant, but not as fast as Bobby McCray. He stronger than Bobby McCray, but not quite as strong as Charles Grant. Grant was able to bull rush defenders, but because of his lack of speed, he couldn't get to the QB and even his tackling against the run suffered. McCray is speedy, but struggled if a tackle got his mitts on him because of his lack of strength. If Hargrove is back, I would like to see him get the chance to be the every day starting DE opposite Will Smith. He may not be an every down DE, but then again, he doesn't really need to be since the Saints have McCray, as well.

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i did read everything you said......but hargrove started because of need only....i thought he played well in spot duty but he isnt a starter in this league....at least not yet and if he couldnt beat out ayodele then hes not going to beat out ellis and whoever we draft to play NT

completely agree...hes got a serious motor like i said and i think he'd want to play every down but he is just too small to play DT on a consistant basis

again i think he could play DE but im not sure he'd be a starter

he is faster than most DTs but idk if hes fast enough to play DE....neither was charles grant tho

hes a natural DE and now that our lack of depth spans out to DE i can see him playing both inside and outside

he has the build to play DE but i just think that the coaching staff put him at DT for a reason and i cant remember him playing DE at all last season.....so maybe there is a reason that we dont know about?

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Canton ledgend, what is the love affair with Cody? He is iffy in my book. Hargrove will start next year weather it is in N.O. or Detroit.

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im not as in love with terrence cody as everybody thinks i am

i want him in the first round and ive defended my choice and opinion a lot so people think i love him

the weight thing is an issue but he was the best player on the best defense in college football last season

he was one of the major reasons their defense was so good and he fills a huge need for us......RUN DEFENSE

we all know why our pass defense suffered....Injuries

why did our run defense suffer? IMO it was personel and cody fits that profile of run stopper....plus the way we blitz he is able to control 2 offensive linemen at a time and free up a LB to blitz

oh and who is hargrove going to start over?

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I would love to see him at start at de and move to dt on 3rd and long. Maybe it is the "Sully look" that scares me with cody.

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It's a win - win situation for Loomis, We lose Hargrove to Lions we get a Nice pick in the drafts around 3rd or 4th, if not we keep a solid DL..

This is one of those perfect scenarios.

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I agree with this. Not saying I want us to lose him, but it wouldn't be all bad. Plus don't we have to lose free agents before we can sign any more since we finished in the top 4 (or one as the case is!)? This would only be the second we've lost, so we could now sign two to contracts, correct?

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I believe you are correct.On that we have to lose free agents to sign free agents.I just don't think theres a better d-lineman on the market right now.

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Oh okay great, thanks Ice. Well I would like to keep him. He played well for us and seems to be motivated. With KC coming back- it should help

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Man I really want to keep ant'ne. Dude impressed me alot as the season unfolded. IMHO he played with the most heart on the D line and his motor never quit!!!! Dude was always on!

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Detroit is also considering ways to sign defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove(notes) of the New Orleans Saints to an offer sheet.

Report: Lions considering trade for Rob Sims - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

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We NEED to kee this guy. Not enough talent on the d-line to give away a high motor guy like Hargrove. Keep him and draft 2 in the defense front 7 in the first 2 rounds.

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we hope they don't take hardy, like one said he's a motivated vet, would be and awesome wingman for a rookie that may be trouble early on. this team will be disected in a matter of days if we don't watch our back.

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Hargrove is like most players in the NFL...show him the love, errrr, I mean the "MONEY".

Once he receives the "MONEY" then let's see if his motor remains in high gear or does it pause until his next payday..i.e. Grant!

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i know this isnt just you, but we all have a problem trying to compare players to other players

hargrove isnt grant....he isnt a starter and he probably wont be a starter.....but he is a talented backup and we tend to overrate him because of the kind of production he put up from the backup role

hargrove has already had his troubles and i believe he is past them....i can see him really working to continue and try to get better