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CantonLegend 03-23-2010 02:43 PM
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Just seen on ESPN the NFL owners have passed the playoff overtime rule proposal.

The rule would call for a team to score a TD in order to win in overtime

The team that wins the coin toss would still have an opportunity to win on their first possession but they would have to score a TD and not just a FG in order to win

They cited specific instances of kickers being able to kick farther and it gives the coin toss winner an unfair advantage.

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The proposal passed 28-4. As it is written, the rules change applies just for the postseason, but the owners also decided to discuss adopting the changes for the regular season at their next meeting, in May in Dallas.

The Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, Baltimore Ravens and Cincinnati Bengals voted against the proposal.

The competition committee recommended the change in a vote of 6-2, and commissioner Roger Goodell supported the plan. He was able to secure enough votes to get the proposal passed on Tuesday, a day before the expected Wednesday vote.

The reason for the change was the increased accuracy of kickers since 1993. In 1994, the NFL moved kickoffs from the 35 to the 30, which created better field position for the teams that won the coin toss and received the kickoffs.

Statistics examined by the committee showed that since 1994, teams winning the coin toss win the game 59.8 percent of the time. The team that loses the toss wins the game 38.5 percent in that 15-year span.

"We've had this discussion for a number of years," competition committee co-chairman Rich McKay said. "We feel this year's proposal gave us the opportunity to [install] a pretty good rule. Statistically we felt it needed to be changed. It wasn't creating the fairest result as far as field goal accuracy, field goal distance and drive starts."

McKay said one of the selling points was it maintained the sudden death aspect of overtime.

This is not a one-year experiment. The vote is a permanent change to the overtime rule, which was established in 1974 to minimize the number of games ending in ties.

McKay didn't rule out the possibility of the change being implemented in time for the 2010 regular season, but he doubted discussion would result in such quick movement.
  • Both teams must have the opportunity to possess the ball once during the extra period, unless the team that receives the opening kickoff scores a touchdown on its initial possession, in which case it is the winner.
  • If the team that possesses the ball first scores a field goal on its initial possession, the other team shall have the opportunity to possess the ball. If [that team] scores a touchdown on its possession, it is the winner. If the score is tied after [both teams have a] possession, the team next scoring by any method shall be the winner.
  • If the score is tied at the end of a 15-minute overtime period, or if [the overtime period's] initial possession has not ended, another overtime period will begin, and play will continue until a score is made, regardless of how many 15-minute periods are necessary.

CantonLegend 03-23-2010 02:45 PM
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NFL changes overtime for playoff games

By BARRY WILNER


The Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. — The NFL has changed its overtime rules for playoff games.

Starting next season, if a team wins the coin toss and then kicks a field goal, the other team gets the ball.

If the game is still tied after that, play will continue under the current sudden-death rules. Should the team winning the toss immediately score a touchdown, then the game is over.

Team owners voted 28-4 on Tuesday in favor of the proposal at the NFL meetings. The new rule applies only for postseason games.
NFL changes overtime for playoff games | ajc.com

SmashMouth 03-23-2010 03:06 PM
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NFL owners pass playoff OT rules modification - ESPN

The direct results of our beloved Saints beating the Viqueens. Guess we'll have to beat down teams prior to the expiry of regulation.

CantonLegend 03-23-2010 03:06 PM
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i really believe this is an unfair advantage for the team that doesnt win the coin toss

the team that wins the toss is encouraged to go for it on 4th down due to the new rules.....but the risk of going for it on 4th down is much greater now because even tho they cant win it with a FG, the 2nd team can win it with a fg if they choose to do so

just like in college, the team that wins usually wants to go 2nd because they know if they have to score a TD or score a FG......now the team that loses the coin toss has the knowledge that they only have to kick a FG to win or tie to extend the game

UK_WhoDat 03-23-2010 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 214507)
........the rule would call for a team to score a TD in order to win in overtime........
For the quicker readers, to win on the 1st possession.
Usual Sudden death rules apply if both teams are tied after their 1st possessions.

So...... if the team receiving the kick-off fumbles to the kicking team.
And...... then the team regaining that possession can win on a FG?

CantonLegend 03-23-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 214515)
For the quicker readers, to win on the 1st possession.
Usual Sudden death rules apply if both teams are tied after their 1st possessions.

So...... if the team receiving the kick-off fumbles to the kicking team.
And...... then the team regaining that possession can win on a FG?
i just dont like that the other team can win with a FG but the original team has to play for a TD

UK_WhoDat 03-23-2010 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 214512)
i really believe this is an unfair advantage for the team that doesnt win the coin toss

the team that wins the toss is encouraged to go for it on 4th down due to the new rules.....but the risk of going for it on 4th down is much greater now because even tho they cant win it with a FG, the 2nd team can win it with a fg if they choose to do so.....
You are trying to addle our brains CantonLegend.
If you don't win the toss, you cannot decide to go 1st or 2nd. So any advantage is with the team who wins the toss.

Now if you said, unfair advantage to the team who receives 1st, I still would not agree with you. ;)

CantonLegend 03-23-2010 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 214517)
You are trying to addle our brains CantonLegend.
If you don't win the toss, you cannot decide to go 1st or 2nd. So any advantage is with the team who wins the toss.

Now if you said, unfair advantage to the team who receives 1st, I still would not agree with you. ;)
obviously the team that wins has the bigger advantage

but there is an advantage for the other team to know that they only have to kick a FG to win or tie

the original team has to score a TD or they give up the advantage given to them by the coin toss

UK_WhoDat 03-23-2010 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 214519)
......but there is an advantage for the other team to know that they only have to kick a FG to win or tie........
only if the 1st team did not get a TD.

Oooooo just had a thought. You can't win on a FG but you can on a safety!
I am the team receiving the kick. Under CantonLegend mode, I am scared to get a FG. I go for it on 4th down, fail, BUT leave the ball in the opponents 10. ...... Under pressure......... (singing David Bowie here)

exile 03-23-2010 03:37 PM
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Sounds like a WWE rule. Not a rule for a real sporting event. Maybe one of the QBs can get hit with a chair before the OT kickoff.


http://www.hopelessromantic.com/wack...azy_hg_wht.gif

gumbeau 03-23-2010 03:47 PM
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Just plain stupid.

Tobias-Reiper 03-23-2010 03:54 PM
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...hmmm..so what happens if the kicking team decides to kick an onsides kick? If they recover, since they lost the coin toss, would they still be able to win it with a field goal, or by rule would the other team HAVE to have a possession?

CantonLegend 03-23-2010 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 214528)
...hmmm..so what happens if the kicking team decides to kick an onsides kick? If they recover, since they lost the coin toss, would they still be able to win it with a field goal, or by rule would the other team HAVE to have a possession?
very curious

maybe they have forfeited their possession by giving up an onside kick?

of course nobody probably expected this to be an issue because nobody ever expects the secret ambush play in the super bowl

unless you have the iphone app that reads sean payton's mind

gumbeau 03-23-2010 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 214528)
...hmmm..so what happens if the kicking team decides to kick an onsides kick? If they recover, since they lost the coin toss, would they still be able to win it with a field goal, or by rule would the other team HAVE to have a possession?
Both teams get at least one possession unless the first team scores a touchdown.

What they did not address is who wins if the first team scores a field goal, kicks onside, recovers and scores another field goal.

I cannot wait for this scenario to develop and I know just the coach to do it.

CantonLegend 03-23-2010 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gumbeau (Post 214532)
Both teams get at least one possession unless the first team scores a touchdown.

What they did not address is who wins if the first team scores a field goal, kicks onside, recovers and scores another field goal.

I cannot wait for this scenario to develop and I know just the coach to do it.
hmm......i thinks the NFL ****ed up

st thomas 03-23-2010 04:15 PM
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just wondering, the vikqeens voted no. they did'nt want the cry baby lengend on there back?

Papa Voodoo 03-23-2010 04:20 PM
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More drama = more money. I would have left it alone. The team winning the toss still has to execute and so does the D. You have the whole game to produce a different outcome.

Can they defer it?

Tobias-Reiper 03-23-2010 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gumbeau (Post 214532)
Both teams get at least one possession unless the first team scores a touchdown.
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That's what I am really curious about. Is this new rule GUARANTEEING possession for both teams? I mentioned the onside kick, but what about muffed kick offs recovered by the kicking team? Would the muff count as your possession, or you are still guaranteed a possession?

Or what if the kicking team onside kicks, recovers,scores a FG, then onside kicks and recovers again? Is the game over, or still both teams are guaranteed a possession?

Or maybe even the kicking team doing 2 successful onside kicks on a row, and scoring a FG and a TD or 2 TDs?

SAINT_MICHAEL 03-23-2010 04:35 PM
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I would guess that the team that is designated to receive the kick (wins toss) is on guard so to speak once the kick happens. So if they give up an outsides kick or fumble kickoff, the other team gets to win with a FG. Basically no different than getting the kick and going three and out.

gumbeau 03-23-2010 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 214536)
That's what I am really curious about. Is this new rule GUARANTEEING possession for both teams? I mentioned the onside kick, but what about muffed kick offs recovered by the kicking team? Would the muff count as your possession, or you are still guaranteed a possession?

Or what if the kicking team onside kicks, recovers,scores a FG, then onside kicks and recovers again? Is the game over, or still both teams are guaranteed a possession?

Or maybe even the kicking team doing 2 successful onside kicks on a row, and scoring a FG and a TD or 2 TDs?
I don't think they thought it through very thoroughly. It will make for some interesting commentary from the dopes that call the games on TV.

Does a safety win the game? If you kickoff, your defense scores a safety and the other team has to kick to you. both teams get a possession so a safety should win it.

It would be quite funny to be able to win by scoring two points but have to give the other guy a chance if you score three.

I think we may need lawyers to decide overtime playoff games.

It seems it would have been much easier to keep it sudden death and just eliminate field goals in playoff overtime.

SAINT_MICHAEL 03-23-2010 04:43 PM
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It also bugs me that this is a playoff change only. They are admitting in a sense that reg season games are less important than post season somehow. Many times a late season game is a playoff game. I understand their "reasons", I just don't agree.

Saintswrath 03-23-2010 04:57 PM
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Well, it has been discussed for years but now something is going to be done about it.

The new rules proposal for overtime in the NFL was passed at the owner meetings in Orlando, Florida. By a vote of 28-4, there will now be new overtime rules in the NFL for just the playoffs but changes could come for the regular season at the next meeting in May. 24 votes were needed to pass the proposal through and I'm willing to bet that New Orleans Saints' coach Sean Payton was one of the 4 against.

New overtime rules proposal passed by NFL owners





Saints still making history i see

stockman311 03-23-2010 04:59 PM
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It's a good change IMHO. Both teams get a shot at the ball unless the following happens:

Team A scores a touchdown after winning the toss

Team B wins on an onside kick after losing the toss, and kicks a field goal or touchdown

Team B wins after losing the toss and scores a defensive TD or gets a turnover and scores a field goal or touchdown

Team B wins if it gets a safety or pick 6 after losing the coin toss

If team A gets a touchdown they win the game

If team A scores a field goal they must kickoff to Team B. If Team B scores a touchdown they win. If they kick a field goal to tie, the game becomes sudden death again.

If Team A scores neither a TD or Field Goal and punts to Team B, it becomes sudden death at that point.


Everyone got that? Your welcome!

stockman311 03-23-2010 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Saintswrath (Post 214544)
Well, it has been discussed for years but now something is going to be done about it.

The new rules proposal for overtime in the NFL was passed at the owner meetings in Orlando, Florida. By a vote of 28-4, there will now be new overtime rules in the NFL for just the playoffs but changes could come for the regular season at the next meeting in May. 24 votes were needed to pass the proposal through and I'm willing to bet that New Orleans Saints' coach Sean Payton was one of the 4 against.

New overtime rules proposal passed by NFL owners
You would lose your bet. The four teams that voted against were Buffalo, Minnesota, Baltimore, & Cincy.

And the coaches had no vote whatsoever. The owners voted on this.

stockman311 03-23-2010 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL (Post 214541)
It also bugs me that this is a playoff change only. They are admitting in a sense that reg season games are less important than post season somehow. Many times a late season game is a playoff game. I understand their "reasons", I just don't agree.
You won't be bugged for long. The owners will vote in May to amend this to both the REGULAR SEASON and THE PLAYOFFS. That vote will look just like this vote did.

Tobias-Reiper 03-23-2010 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 214545)
It's a good change IMHO. Both teams get a shot at the ball unless the following happens:

Team A scores a touchdown after winning the toss

Team B wins on an onside kicks after losing the toss, and kicks a field goal or touchdown

Team B wins after losing the toss and scores a defensive TD or gets a turnover and scores a field goal or touchdown

Team B wins if it gets a safety or pick 6 after losing the coin toss

If team A gets a touchdown they win the game

If team A scores a field goal they must kickoff to Team B. If Team B scores a touchdown they win. If they kick a field goal to tie, the game becomes sudden death again.

If Team A scores neither a TD or Field Goal and punts to Team B, it becomes sudden death at that point.


Everyone got that? Your welcome!
Did you get this from somewhere or are you just assuming this is what it is?

How is it fair that one team can win with a FG because they lost a coin toss, but not coin toss winner, especially if the coin toss winner actually never gets a possession?

stockman311 03-23-2010 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 214550)
Did you get this from somewhere or are you just assuming this is what it is?
I got it from somewhere. Also, Im extremely intelligent and it made logical sense before I got it from somewhere and I thought of this format for almost 10 years now.

stockman311 03-23-2010 05:12 PM
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Payton on the vote: "It is what it is. It kind of happened without anyone knowing. It was supposed to be voted on tomorrow."

Just for those that thought Payton had any say in this whatsoever.

Tobias-Reiper 03-23-2010 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 214551)
I got it from somewhere. Also, Im extremely intelligent and it made logical sense before I got it from somewhere and I thought of this format for almost 10 years now.
Don't hurt yourself patting your own back; still, the same issue persists: how is it fair that the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG, but the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG?

stockman311 03-23-2010 05:14 PM
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Because Team A CAN win the game with a touchdown without relinquishing the ball to Team B. Is it that complicated?

stockman311 03-23-2010 05:18 PM
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Also, Team A can win the game with a FG on it's first possession as long as they stop Team B on their first possession.

stockman311 03-23-2010 05:22 PM
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The bottom line is if your team has a fantastic Defense, there is a chance you would defer the ball, take your chances pinning the other team down and play for the FG to win. In the previous OT, the coin toss winning team would NEVER defer.

neugey 03-23-2010 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 214511)
NFL owners pass playoff OT rules modification - ESPN

The direct results of our beloved Saints beating the Viqueens. Guess we'll have to beat down teams prior to the expiry of regulation.
Poetic justice would be if Saints went into OT with Vikings in the postseason again. Vikes get the ball and kick a field goal, then Saints score a TD to win the game. Using the Viking rule to beat the Vikings hahahaha

SmashMouth 03-23-2010 05:22 PM
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TR makes a good point ... if they are going to change it, just put ten minuted on the clock and be done with it.
:drummer:

Tobias-Reiper 03-23-2010 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 214555)
Because Team A CAN win the game with a touchdown without relinquishing the ball to Team B. Is it that complicated?

... and I believed you when you said you were very intelligent.

My question was: how is it fair that the team that lost the coin toss can win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG, but the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game on the first possession of the game with a FG?

Team A wins coin toss. Team A defers the kick.
Team B onside kicks and recovers the ball. That is the first possession of the game.
Team B moves the ball 30 yards and scores a FG. The field goal wins the game.
Team A won the coin toss, but never had possession of the ball, and lost on a FG.

HOWEVER, the team that won the coin toss cannot win the game with a FG on the first possession of the game.

How is that fair now?

stockman311 03-23-2010 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 214560)
TR makes a good point ... if they are going to change it, just put ten minuted on the clock and be done with it.
:drummer:
It's a bad point actually. Team A would use a ball controlled offense to run time off the clock, kick a field goal, and leave Team B with little time to try and tie or win. There has to be a sudden death component to it, especially for the playoffs.

This is not college football. I'm sure we can all agree that no one wants to watch 6 OT pro football games.

Srgt. Hulka 03-23-2010 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 214507)
28...isn't that the number of teams we beat last year?

Papa Voodoo 03-23-2010 05:42 PM
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Seems like everyone will start OT with an OSK and then play normally from there. So we swapped a coin flip for an onside?

Still don't know if it can be deferred.

Srgt. Hulka 03-23-2010 05:44 PM
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So, if team A kicks off to team B, and team B flubs the catch and makes contact with the ball, but loses it, and team A recovers it on team Bs 10 yard line, does a field goal win the game? Damn, my head hurts!

Papa Voodoo 03-23-2010 05:44 PM
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Nevermind...thanks Tobias


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