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st thomas 04-06-2010 11:50 PM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
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Originally Posted by HintOfLogic (Post 216779)
^^ I see Reggie covered by LB'ers and sometimes even DE's all day.... often caught up with and tackled by said guys with ease. I rarely (or can't say I've ever) seen a CB leave his WR to jump on Reggie (do you?) or is this just recycled and exaggerated theory? If Pierre comes out of the backfield (or even hangs around in the flat), he's drawing the exact same coverage as would Reggie... I assure you. Which is, usually one LB'er.

As for Reggie's decoy accountability for our Powerhouse offense.... this means nothing when we've continued to be the NFL's leading when Bush was injured or only being used a half dozen plays per game. It's nice to think we really are taking advantage of him, really I mean that. With all the hope I held out for him, all the money and fanfare involved with him, it'd be nice, but it's merely a stretch from my view at this point.

See, it's kinda a double standard.... when Reggies on the field and something good happens, say something big in the passing game, almost by default people are attributing Reggie for fooling everybody or simply opening it up..... But, for the other 4/5ths of the big and similar plays that evolve while Bush is on the sideline.... people don't give the rest of the O the credit to just plain kick arse with him... Which, BTW, THEY CAN!

to me h.o.l. its mostly corners getting there portfolio reborn covering bush on the sideline, getting there licks if he desides to man it out and stay in bounds. i will never forget the welcome to the nfl for bush, it was reggies rookie year when he first dissided to stay inbounds and got blessed by another rookie; pac man jones in a preseason game in 06. from there on it was head for the sidelines. we'll probably never agree on the bush campaign but i do agree that he's too much money in 2010. theres about 6 mill to be saved on that deal if he would get traded. then i really don't want to part with this piece of the championship, solely my opinion, i'm a team player and always will be. one man did'nt win the super bowl 53 did.

VillainAgain 04-06-2010 11:53 PM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
no all the team has needed for years was a formidable defense, Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter are the best CB's I'v seen in NO bar none. Greer tends to cut his side of the field off Porter is legit 2. Will Smith came back from hiatus and the dline was solid, minus a nt. harper played well the LB's played well Shanle like him or not is effective, ideally every position can be upgraded as we dont have the best players at they're position at every position( except for Drew Brees) so until we replace the Shanle he's there to stay, Fuji got paid. hope the best and wear flip flops staph infection is gross. Sharper benefitted from playing with Greer and Porter, he doesnt have the speed he used to but hes fast enough to cover his area with them holding down the outsides, If he wants to get paid the go get money, if he wants to play for a chip then come back uncapped year but they cant break the bank for him, I'd let Usama Young and Chip Vaughn compete, bring in another player from the draft and move forward, Malcom Jenkins could move if need be but buisness wise the lombardi resides in NO. so we're not desperate anymore get younger get faster at FS. 2 SS's in the back field get u ate up by teams like ours..... PLEASE NEVER SAY JASON DAVID EVER EVER AGAIN.

VillainAgain 04-07-2010 12:02 AM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
Bush requires you to commit a player to him , (Spreading out the defense) u spread out a defense so u can take advantage of the matchups instead of just allocating DB's for coverage and 1 lb now u have 5 players to account for.( i can go all day long about coverages and open offenses like the saints run) thats what they mean by using bush as a decoy, its just being used for bush, u can just as easily say that for every1 that doesnt get the ball on a given play, reggie is like having another wr on the field at any given time say he lines up in the I and motions out with 4 wides to begin with now the coverage shifts because of the motion now there is a chance somebody will blow coverage and leave a guy open creating free yardage if the play is made. Isn't Football about yardage

st thomas 04-07-2010 12:06 AM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
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Originally Posted by VillainAgain (Post 216787)
no all the team has needed for years was a formidable defense, Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter are the best CB's I'v seen in NO bar none. Greer tends to cut his side of the field off Porter is legit 2. Will Smith came back from hiatus and the dline was solid, minus a nt. harper played well the LB's played well Shanle like him or not is effective, ideally every position can be upgraded as we dont have the best players at they're position at every position( except for Drew Brees) so until we replace the Shanle he's there to stay, Fuji got paid. hope the best and wear flip flops staph infection is gross. Sharper benefitted from playing with Greer and Porter, he doesnt have the speed he used to but hes fast enough to cover his area with them holding down the outsides, If he wants to get paid the go get money, if he wants to play for a chip then come back uncapped year but they cant break the bank for him, I'd let Usama Young and Chip Vaughn compete, bring in another player from the draft and move forward, Malcom Jenkins could move if need be but buisness wise the lombardi resides in NO. so we're not desperate anymore get younger get faster at FS. 2 SS's in the back field get u ate up by teams like ours..... PLEASE NEVER SAY JASON DAVID EVER EVER AGAIN.

nice piece villain, i said earlier that if sharpie would come back one more season we would have someone ready to play and we know its jenkins he will be a stud at saftey someday, let him mimic sharper for a year and turn the dogs out. porter and greer are rock solid. you will never ever hear me say the name TOAST. he is probably trying out for the cfl and the wider field.

HintOfLogic 04-07-2010 12:18 AM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
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Originally Posted by VillainAgain (Post 216790)
Bush requires you to commit a player to him , (Spreading out the defense)

Villan, I love ya' and all..... but this is the most thoughtless, recycled Bush apologists beacon statement ever. What running back doesn't require a player committed to him... seriously? I don't think you've ever stopped and thought about this statement. Are you saying that Bush get's more people committed to him coming out of the backfield than Pierre or others? Every time I hear that statement, I get stupider and stupider.... literally, it hurts my brain.

YES, Bush draws coverage, BTW, so does any other running back out of the backfield.... the only difference is, Bush is easier to tackle once he's called on. Also, I find it fascinating that the term and relevance of the term "Decoy" in respects to an NFL Football player was coined for Bush and only after Bush continued to hender to progress as an NFL running back.

strato 04-07-2010 12:20 AM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
Im only going to say this once..im drunk...and we better bring Sharper back damn he brings leadership and fire that we need...Who the hell else we got ?...nobody that is his caliber...think about it..get off your ass Loomis..its an uncapped year....it aint about the duckys...

HintOfLogic 04-07-2010 12:26 AM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 216792)
nice piece villain, i said earlier that if sharpie would come back one more season we would have someone ready to play and we know its jenkins he will be a stud at saftey someday, let him mimic sharper for a year and turn the dogs out. porter and greer are rock solid. you will never ever hear me say the name TOAST. he is probably trying out for the cfl and the wider field.

I agree about Greer and Porter, absolutely love them. But to me, it was Sharper making the most picks and his slow a$$ was returning them for 6. So, as much as I or even ya'lls respect for Greer and Porter, I don't see how talk of loosing Sharper is so nonchalant, when if it was talk of loosing Porter or Greer, we'd all be going ape-sh!t. Again, it's kinda a double standard.... I don't know if ya'll are getting wrapped up in their persona's or what, but Sharper was HUGE this season, it's just as crucial, if not more similar to loosing Greer or Porter.

As far as Jenkins. I really like him, and have high hopes. I also think he'll be best placed at safety (wasn't he more or less drafted to make that move).... but, he's shown some serious burn-ability at times. I'm holding out hope for him, but I think going from Sharper to Jenkins is a significant drop-off (for now).

strato 04-07-2010 12:33 AM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
Maybe Jenkins in a few ..but i want another Title and Sharper gives us the best shot...Let Jenkins lat the Nickel another season...and learn from the best...

st thomas 04-07-2010 12:37 AM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
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Originally Posted by strato (Post 216796)
Im only going to say this once..im drunk...and we better bring Sharper back damn he brings leadership and fire that we need...Who the hell else we got ?...nobody that is his caliber...think about it..get off your ass Loomis..its an uncapped year....it aint about the duckys...

LOL HE has to take the porterhouse because he ain't gettin the ribbye, strato. he's worn out he should have gotten arrested taking candy from the babies .( kolb, sanchez, etc. ) he played tired at times especially into the last third of the season. i will agree he is the best out there for g.williams system. but looks like we have to pay someone else 8 million and let sharpie walk. i say give the man 2 mill for one more and get someone primed for the job, jenkins could be ready by 2011 if he can play deep center field like sharpie. they say he has instincts well lets find out this year.

strato 04-07-2010 12:41 AM

Re: Darren Sharper says that a possible return
 
Hey that candy sure taste good...and it was harder to find later in the season...but it sure put Ws on the board ;) and i garuntee you he will be a Saint for the 2 mil you speak of...just wait a little longer..Unless we go safety in the draft..which is possible...


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