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Darren Sharper says that a possible return to the New Orleans Saints starts with a big “if.”

Sharper, an unrestricted free agent, remains on the free agent market following minor arthroscopic surgery on his left knee this offseason. He told NFL Total Access Tuesday his status isn’t due to his recovery, but that he’s taking the time to decide what team is the best fit while he focuses on his rehab.

While Sharper says he would love to return to the Saints, he doesn’t hold any animosity toward the franchise.

“We know this is a business,” Sharper told Rich Eisen. “You always have to weigh all of your options. We’ll see what happens.

“I understand, in this game, there are two sides. And everyone knows this. You have the game and you have the business side. And that comes from being a guy who has been around the league as long as I have. You understand that, and you go on.”

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darren sharper sounds like he's still ticked at the saints about not throwing the 6 mill at him. darren was an all pro and all but he showed signs of wear and tear during the season, the pics came far and fewer as it got 2 thirds into the year. when the super bowl came he was there thats it he were a part of it. now when i witnessed the missed tackle on indy's adai on there last td i said to my buddies around me that darren looked tired and done as a saint and most people agreed. what was that sharper everyone said, tackling an invisible man said another brother. that looked bad on sharper and that swayed the front office on his returning on our terms not his 6 million last lick for cash. i hope he comes back he could be a hell of an asset for the young and get a starting roll. it showed why the vikqueens let him walk.

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But he said he'd love to go back.

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All this team was missing from making a Superbowl season run was a solid, veteran, Pro Bowl Safety. I thought this even amidst all the Jason David woes and so on. Signing Sharper wasn't an experiment or a gamble, it was a necessity. If you loose him, you better have someone in line to fill a huge gap. Our Corners are now holding it down, but this team has also shown that they can live or die by the accountability of our safety.

This is mostly due in part to the fact that asides from an occassional blitz, the Saints have about the worst pass rush production from the front 4 in the NFL. That's why Sharper was so key, our guys up front weren't getting to the QB. They better either improve the DE position, bring in another stud safety or get Sharper paid.

Really, I'm gonna keep harping on it, because it urks me to no end that they are paying a hit-or-miss, novelty, haven't proved I'm worth it, lowest production among his counterpart, "not-really a real" running back Reggie Bush the kinda money for one season that would otherwise lock in Sharper for years. This is a mistake!

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You can't get mad at the Reggie money he was the second pick in the draft he gets what every second pick in the draft gets.Its a flawed system to blame. Paying a guy that kind of money that hasn't proven anything on an nfl field.

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yes i agree with him needing to come back , at least one more season then we will have someone ready. i know you have beef with reggie and his 8 mill payday. i read your input on him and somewhat agree but you state that his decoying would have worked the same with p.t. or some one else that were i have to dissagree.i think the whole gameplan senerio changes from one to the other play wize anyway. a defense may put a backer or d.e. on p.t. when it would be a corner taking on reggie out of the backfield. this meaning it would allow more space and timing routes to 3 or more different recievers all over the field. i just saying that the stats would be so different h.o.l. its my opinion only theres no stock in my seeing things. to sum it up reggie does open recievers and has a lot to do with the power house offense we have.

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^^ I see Reggie covered by LB'ers and sometimes even DE's all day.... often caught up with and tackled by said guys with ease. I rarely (or can't say I've ever) seen a CB leave his WR to jump on Reggie (do you?) or is this just recycled and exaggerated theory? If Pierre comes out of the backfield (or even hangs around in the flat), he's drawing the exact same coverage as would Reggie... I assure you. Which is, usually one LB'er.

As for Reggie's decoy accountability for our Powerhouse offense.... this means nothing when we've continued to be the NFL's leading when Bush was injured or only being used a half dozen plays per game. It's nice to think we really are taking advantage of him, really I mean that. With all the hope I held out for him, all the money and fanfare involved with him, it'd be nice, but it's merely a stretch from my view at this point.

See, it's kinda a double standard.... when Reggies on the field and something good happens, say something big in the passing game, almost by default people are attributing Reggie for fooling everybody or simply opening it up..... But, for the other 4/5ths of the big and similar plays that evolve while Bush is on the sideline.... people don't give the rest of the O the credit to just plain kick arse with him... Which, BTW, THEY CAN!

EDIT: Oh yeah, I meant to say too..... that as far as the accountability the D has when Reggie is put in.... if anything, I'd say it more henders our O because Reggie is very 1 dimensional. He can dart to the sideline on a handoff or he's making his way to the flat for for a screen (a huge majority of the time). So from a LB'ers point of view, you're facing that... and I'm sorry, but on the NFL level, they are not that dumb. So yeah, he is accounted for, but it comes down to that.

I feel it's the other way around. I think because our offense is so dammed talented at every skill position, and that every one is a threat with Brees gunning, that this spreads the field for Reggie to get his "gimmie" yards before they close in on him. If Reggie was on an average to struggling offense, that were pretty one dimensional.... leaving him the go to guy, he'd get eaten up all day. Reggie is lucky.

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Reggie is Payton's "Security Blanket".

I would love to have D-Sharp back too but I am growing weary of this playing out in the media.

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hmm.. no...

If you tell me Sharper was the catalyst for the SB run, I'll ask you to pass the dutchie by the left hand side. Rod Woodson would have not put the Saints defense over the top. The real change was the system and attitude GW brought to the defense.

There was a reason why Sharper signed with the "lowly Saints" for a cheap 1-year contract after he was released from Minnesota: nobody wanted him. Sharper benefited GREATLY from a) the play of Jabari and Tracy and b) GW's system.

And as for Reggie getting paid, stop it. Payton wants Reggie, he gets Reggie. That's that. And I am sure the stream of revenue the Saints realize from Reggie from marketing and merchandising, helps a lot also.
Besides, it is an uncapped year. So what's the difference?

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Is it possible that Sharper brought a swagger and confidence to the D the was equally if not more important than just William's attitude?

.... either way, What Sharper did on defense was more consistent and impressive than Bush on O. Sharper was consistent and accountable, not to mention, leading the league in his position. How many games did we see see Bush get randomly tossed in and out, only to find himself watching from the sidelines because he couldn't get anything going.

As far as "Payton Wanting Reggie"..... this doesn't ease my mind. First off, 2010 season hasn't started yet, so easy with the assurance. Secondly, Payton has proven that he has a lot of pride riding with Reggie as his first big move as a head coach. I don't know what might drive him to stick with him, and that it may not be silly little trivial things like his friends and/or family saying, "ahhhh, we love Reggie". Maybe he doesn't want to be the A-hole..... maybe it's pressure from front office / marketing for the amount invested with him in marketing, anything like this I can imagine and understand, but it doesn't mean anything to me as a fan.

as far as it being an uncapped year.... why are we struggling to to retain some of our pro bowl caliper players? ...... see my concern?

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to me h.o.l. its mostly corners getting there portfolio reborn covering bush on the sideline, getting there licks if he desides to man it out and stay in bounds. i will never forget the welcome to the nfl for bush, it was reggies rookie year when he first dissided to stay inbounds and got blessed by another rookie; pac man jones in a preseason game in 06. from there on it was head for the sidelines. we'll probably never agree on the bush campaign but i do agree that he's too much money in 2010. theres about 6 mill to be saved on that deal if he would get traded. then i really don't want to part with this piece of the championship, solely my opinion, i'm a team player and always will be. one man did'nt win the super bowl 53 did.

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no all the team has needed for years was a formidable defense, Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter are the best CB's I'v seen in NO bar none. Greer tends to cut his side of the field off Porter is legit 2. Will Smith came back from hiatus and the dline was solid, minus a nt. harper played well the LB's played well Shanle like him or not is effective, ideally every position can be upgraded as we dont have the best players at they're position at every position( except for Drew Brees) so until we replace the Shanle he's there to stay, Fuji got paid. hope the best and wear flip flops staph infection is gross. Sharper benefitted from playing with Greer and Porter, he doesnt have the speed he used to but hes fast enough to cover his area with them holding down the outsides, If he wants to get paid the go get money, if he wants to play for a chip then come back uncapped year but they cant break the bank for him, I'd let Usama Young and Chip Vaughn compete, bring in another player from the draft and move forward, Malcom Jenkins could move if need be but buisness wise the lombardi resides in NO. so we're not desperate anymore get younger get faster at FS. 2 SS's in the back field get u ate up by teams like ours..... PLEASE NEVER SAY JASON DAVID EVER EVER AGAIN.

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Bush requires you to commit a player to him , (Spreading out the defense) u spread out a defense so u can take advantage of the matchups instead of just allocating DB's for coverage and 1 lb now u have 5 players to account for.( i can go all day long about coverages and open offenses like the saints run) thats what they mean by using bush as a decoy, its just being used for bush, u can just as easily say that for every1 that doesnt get the ball on a given play, reggie is like having another wr on the field at any given time say he lines up in the I and motions out with 4 wides to begin with now the coverage shifts because of the motion now there is a chance somebody will blow coverage and leave a guy open creating free yardage if the play is made. Isn't Football about yardage

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nice piece villain, i said earlier that if sharpie would come back one more season we would have someone ready to play and we know its jenkins he will be a stud at saftey someday, let him mimic sharper for a year and turn the dogs out. porter and greer are rock solid. you will never ever hear me say the name TOAST. he is probably trying out for the cfl and the wider field.

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Villan, I love ya' and all..... but this is the most thoughtless, recycled Bush apologists beacon statement ever. What running back doesn't require a player committed to him... seriously? I don't think you've ever stopped and thought about this statement. Are you saying that Bush get's more people committed to him coming out of the backfield than Pierre or others? Every time I hear that statement, I get stupider and stupider.... literally, it hurts my brain.

YES, Bush draws coverage, BTW, so does any other running back out of the backfield.... the only difference is, Bush is easier to tackle once he's called on. Also, I find it fascinating that the term and relevance of the term "Decoy" in respects to an NFL Football player was coined for Bush and only after Bush continued to hender to progress as an NFL running back.

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Im only going to say this once..im drunk...and we better bring Sharper back damn he brings leadership and fire that we need...Who the hell else we got ?...nobody that is his caliber...think about it..get off your ass Loomis..its an uncapped year....it aint about the duckys...

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I agree about Greer and Porter, absolutely love them. But to me, it was Sharper making the most picks and his slow a$$ was returning them for 6. So, as much as I or even ya'lls respect for Greer and Porter, I don't see how talk of loosing Sharper is so nonchalant, when if it was talk of loosing Porter or Greer, we'd all be going ape-sh!t. Again, it's kinda a double standard.... I don't know if ya'll are getting wrapped up in their persona's or what, but Sharper was HUGE this season, it's just as crucial, if not more similar to loosing Greer or Porter.

As far as Jenkins. I really like him, and have high hopes. I also think he'll be best placed at safety (wasn't he more or less drafted to make that move).... but, he's shown some serious burn-ability at times. I'm holding out hope for him, but I think going from Sharper to Jenkins is a significant drop-off (for now).

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Maybe Jenkins in a few ..but i want another Title and Sharper gives us the best shot...Let Jenkins lat the Nickel another season...and learn from the best...

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LOL HE has to take the porterhouse because he ain't gettin the ribbye, strato. he's worn out he should have gotten arrested taking candy from the babies .( kolb, sanchez, etc. ) he played tired at times especially into the last third of the season. i will agree he is the best out there for g.williams system. but looks like we have to pay someone else 8 million and let sharpie walk. i say give the man 2 mill for one more and get someone primed for the job, jenkins could be ready by 2011 if he can play deep center field like sharpie. they say he has instincts well lets find out this year.

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Hey that candy sure taste good...and it was harder to find later in the season...but it sure put Ws on the board ;) and i garuntee you he will be a Saint for the 2 mil you speak of...just wait a little longer..Unless we go safety in the draft..which is possible...

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.... this would be the result of taking screen passes and darting towards CB's being blocked by WR's... all the while taking the past of least resistance away from the LB'ers closing in on him, ya' know, those guys that are actually covering him. Sometimes he's met by CB's because they abandon their WR's right away when they see the ball going to RB.

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hHow the heck did Bush get into the subject?....he is a great piece to the puzzle ...just like Sharper...

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Bush is getting better at letting those CBs know hes alive...right?

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The boyfriend and I were discussing this over dinner. I would love to have Sharper back. He says that the team isn't "showing him enough love" But Loomis said it best, "I have all the love in the world for Darren Sharper, I just don't have all the money in the world."

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Loomis can be shrewed...and Sharper can be mouthy...lets meet in the middle..

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.... thread evolves around not being able to afford Sharper.

.... Saints have a novelty back, Bush, set to be the highest paid RB in the NFL, which coincidentally might cause the Saints to loose more pro bowl players.

I think Sharper is more important than Bush.... what gives?

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LOL..a novelty back...i dont even get mad anymore with Bush...we need to pay him and Sharper what their worth . then we will have a SharperBush....lol

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My $.02 worth. I have not been around much lately, and when I come back the only 2 threads that I've noticed so far have you ragging on Reggie, and if I didn't know better I would say that you came here with an agenda. Your inability to see the value of Reggie Bush speaks volumes, but in the posts I've read, I've seen you use the word caliper instead of caliber and loose instead of lose, so...carry on.

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how old are you..... I'm talking football, and you're playing spellchecker? If you're trying to impress me or discredit my comments, why don't you actually address my points and discredit them or share your difference in opinion.

I have "ragged on Reggie". First off, you need to lighten up. If you look and listen around the league you might find I'm not the only one that finds Reggies value highly controversial.

I DO know Reggies value, and it's not up there with the NFL's highest paid RB's and more importantly, it's not a value that should have us loosing key guys and pro bowlers. am I missing something? I've also watched Reggie play like a pansy for the last four years up until these last few games closing in on his big payoff year. So assuming he's set and paid for 2010, how can anyone assume he doesn't revert back to darting for the sidelines.

I love when people read a bunch of things they don't want to hear and rebut the poster by scrutinizing their writing for misspells. You're special!

Second off, you need to lighten up. Why is everybody so quick to dispense their Reggie force-field..... I personally feel he's expendable. Maybe not by account of your emotional infatuation with him, but in regards to the productivity of this team as they've proved to be just as, if not more potent in games with his absence.

Follow me here.....
Reggie has hung around this team producing pedestrian numbers for the past few years (while yes, getting vastly overpaid). > Sharper joins the team and leads the NFL in int.s and dominates his side of the ball solidifying his position. However (you still following, I'm making sure spell-check is on....), a lot of the comments I see speak about Sharper as if he's expendable as people get concerned with him trying to draw what, 2 million? see, where I'm going yet? ....you want to talk about value? ... or just not ready to take your Bush jersey to Goodwill? Why are no red flags or time outs called when Sharper's expendability and value come up, although if Bush's is questioned people or kids get very defensive and insulting towards the poster?

The bottom line is, the majority of Saints fans have a complex about Bush and ignorantly defend him (for example, offering no logic, just attacking the critic), as if their personal pride rides with Bush.

Seriously though, I can't believe you stooped to the level of pointing out misspells of all the things that's been said, what a typical douche....
If you're going to waste your $0.02, why don't you waste it talking about football, instead of how you can find misspells? The only thing missing is you lecturing me about how I'm not a "real fan", otherwise, you couldn't have been more typical and generic to this point.

oh, but I might have missed a forum policy that any misspells might discredit any or all comments made in a thread.... well shucks! carry on.....

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You're the one who needs to lighten-up, pal. If you're gonna come-on here trying to discredit one of the fan favorites, I suggest you have all your ducks in a row...and if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Maybe if you had been around a little longer, you would know that the word "douche" has been banned around here for a while...and when people start personally attacking...well, you know what they say about that.

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I stopped reading after that statement. You just don't know what you are talking about.

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ahhhhhhh...hmmm not sure i agree

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It's an uncapped year. Benson can afford to overpay everyone on the roster. Sharper is as if not more important to the defense as Bush is to the offense. Give him a great one year deal. Draft the best DE, DT, and OLB available in the first three rounds and go back to the Super Bowl. PRICELESS!

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The bottom line is, the majority of Saints fans have a complex about Bush and ignorantly defend him (for example, offering no logic, just attacking the critic), as if their personal pride rides with Bush.
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how do you define "majority"? and how do you have the insight to know what the "majority" of saints fans think?..do you mean the majority of your circle of friends?..i must know how you know this cause i want to be "in the know"

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a novelty back?...hmmm perhaps you would rather have A.P.? how many fumbles did AP have in the nfc title game?...just a thought

you are certainly entitled to your opinion as we all are but just because you believe something doesnt make it true in the minds of all saints fans

by the way..welcome to the site..(i see you joined recently)

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+1 :bng:

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I think we need Bush as well Sharper...wait did i already say that?...they both are important to our success...I admit i can be real critical of Reggie ..especially after a muffed punt or when he runs out of bounds to avoid contact, but he showed me he can run with authority...so im not giving up on him...As for Sharper..i know he is getting up there in age and tailed off some towards the end of the year...but he was hurt ..Remember the beginning of the season how effective he was..damn folks if you have NFL network im sure you saw how he was being considered defensive player of the year..I think Loomis is hoping he will come back for the right price and if not Jenkins and Young can step up...maybe they can ..but if were really going to make another run and damn well better since Drew is in his prime..we need Sharper back there...go back and look at all the key plays he made for us and you will see what i mean...Im hoping a deal gets done and we keep him in the worst way....ok im done till he signs....lol

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Sounds like u gotta hard on for reggie.

Damn youngman do you really want me break it down Grab a Snickers its gonna be a while . Yes as broad as my statement was its actually more complex then that. Any body coming out of the back field will require attention YES. But with the skill players we have on offense when reggie comes out now there is a very good chance teams will have to assign a man to cover him ( man on man) creating a mismatch( Colston needs dbl coverage keep this in mind) with the skill players we have playing zone coverage just won't do its suicidal. Defenses typically assign their best cover LB to dynamic TE's ( ie Shockey) now in a 3 Wide set now the safety has to come and play man up on a WR leaving man up for the corner on that side, also leaving his area open for say a drag by the TE now since Reggie is in the game send him out wide or even in the flats now the other LB(OLB) has to account for him, SPREADING the defense out and creating SPACE for Combination Routes like the ones where David Thomas and Shockey seem to be wide open for 20yrd + pass plays. Plain and simple Reggie Creates Match up problems and him being on the field causes defense to adjust their coverage. adjusting coverages sometimes causes teams to use Time Outs, Be out of position and give up big plays or even open up space for other routes. understand? Dont look at stats look at the entire picture. 3WR set (Colston single wr ) put Devery and Meachem on the same side Have 1 run a post and the other run a fly, typically the corner will take the outside man a LB will bump to cover the slot until he is in the FS' area now FS has to cover the Post, with reggie comming outta back field the LB cant bump and cover as it will leave reggie open in space so he has to check reggie, FS has to come down and run with the post leaving man on man with 1 of the fastest Wr's in the game. Are you telling me you dont like those odds with Drew Brees throwin the ball? Thats SREADING out a defense thus even if the ball doesnt go reggies way he was just as important to that play as was the slot wr. to put it simply he eliminates 1 player from coverage creating better match ups. consider who the coach is and what they do.

See the drawing Below
Notice the TE (Y) route leads to open space

Look At Shaper when Porter and Greer play and look at him when they dont play. Sharper recorded the ints' but he didnt create them all by him self. Outstanding coverage by 22 and 32 allows Sharper to Roam and Romp like he did last year and just play center field. When they didnt play he wasn't running around like he could have because the coverage wasnt as good as when porter and greer were in the game. His instincts allowed him to make plays on the ball but he doesnt run as well as he used to and without porter and greer I say he doesnt have half them pick. Point blank....

proof read your statements and you'll be ok, i do agree its not english class but your stentence structure is backwards sometimes and in fragments, cant accuratley get your point accross if the reader has to say" What??" I dont type in perfect english either just some FYI.

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What the hell happened to this thread? It is incomprehensible now. Is the offseason a time when forum participants become logically impaired and promoting an impression that English is not the first language?

Dial back the chest pumping and gorilla charging. Dial up a demonstration of a command of communication.

Very disappointed in you all.

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not so much gorilla tactics more of explaining a broad statement