Possible Darren Sharper suitors
 

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Looking for possible Darren Sharper suitors
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 8, 2010 3:00 PM ET
Darren Sharper's market isn't expected to develop until after the draft, so he had plenty of time to kill this week as a guest analyst at NFL Network.

While he was there, he spoke with the league's website, who subsequently threw out some "educated guesses" for possible teams that would be interested.

The Saints come first, then the Eagles, Jets, and Redskins were listed. Sharper is looking for a playoff-caliber team with a scheme that fits his skills. It's unclear if the list came straight from Sharper, but the reality is that he may not have a lot of options.

If he was viewed as a necessity by any of the teams above, they would have him visit by now, knee surgery or not.

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He is Saint thru and thru..and will break Woodsons record in the blackngold next year...

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In an uncapped year, I can't understand why we haven't made him a legitimate offer. I know the original issue was that we needed to lose a couple of high end free agants to be able to bring anyone in but it doesn't look like we're all that interested in any so lets bring Sharper back!

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simple he wants more then fair market so until he becomes sober from all that partying he'll sign for a fair deal,again we are no longer the desperate saints anymore so he should be honored that we want him back

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I agree he will be back.Just not for the money he wants.

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Amen!

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i understand your concern poydras, but if we start throwing all the cash at every 30 something year old good player not great player we'll land up exactly like the oakland raiders. we be a disaranged organization that thinks if you put all superbowl players together that it would be a super bowl team. ha right

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reality has got to be setting in for DS...

why would his market be hotter after the draft? why isn't anyone looking now, so they can draft accordingly?

I think the rest of the league is looking at only 2 picks after week 8, and none in the playoffs, and a lackluster Super Bowl.

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Sharper IS a great player, and he proved his worth long before he became a Saint, and proved it again as a Saint. Do me a favor, go look up his stats, and find me a safety in the league right now that you think is better than him, and compare them. I really want to know your defintion of "great".

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NINE INTS. Captained the freaking secondary during our superbowl run. Helped us to start out 13-0, our best "season" in the history of this ball club. He played hurt, when he could have sat on his BUTT, and still got paid. The "honor", should go both freaking ways.

I'm amazed at how ONE superbowl, changes the entire mind frame of a teams fanbase.

And it's not a sign of desperation to sign great players, that are good at what they do. That is a sign of wanting to win.

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Come on St..Sharper is a future hall of famer ..that came close to getting defensive mvp honors...he played hurt people....were not the Raiders for wanting our probowl safety back..

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What is "Fair Market Value" for a future HOF'er coming off of his best and Super Bowl capped season?

Put yourself in the Saints position, you're about to pay a hit or miss, sparingly used "decoy" 8 million for one year. How do you gauge what Sharper is worth in comparison to what Reggie Bush is getting paid? How do you compare them in regards to how pivotal they are at their position? How do you gauge them on the importance of their role played during the last season? Lots of questions..... I'm curious, you seem to have this all figured out. Is Sharper coming back at about 1/4th of what Reggie's set to get paid worth it? Why does everyone get so conservative and concerned when talking about getting Sharper paid, but no harping on Bush's ridiculous payday? ... seriously?

did you actually say, "so he should be honored that we want him back"?

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He heeds to just get over the 200K or extra year they didn't offer him and sign. We were the only team to really show an interest in him last year what makes him think a year later he's gonna get anymore love from any other team. Come on Sharper get with the program. I hear alot of this crap it's not for the money it's for the team. WELL SHOW ME SOME TEAM!

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Sharper had a great year. But the 9 int he had this year were the same total as the previous 3 years combined. He was declining in Viqueenville and that's why we got him so cheap. He played well when allowed to freelance when Porter and Greer were in but not so well when they were out. Could have been his injury that slowed him also but when Greer and Porter were in he had 7 picks and only 2 when they were out and 1 was against a rookie. 3 million a year for 2 years and throw in a bonus for any picks over 4 and he should sign. But quit comparing his salary to Bush's. Bush is paid on the flawed draft position scale, how do you think the Raiders feel about paying Jamarcus all that money? Until they change the system we have to live with what players are paid whether or not their play justifies their pay. It's just getting old all this talk about what Reggie is making compared to someone else. And Reggie isn't going anywhere especially under his current contract.

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why does Bush enter into every thread...Bush is Bush and Sharper is Sharper..both valuable pieces to our superbowl puzzel but not the same situation..What we as fans think and what Bush makes next year have no influence on signing Sharper

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Well said.

this guy is bringing Bush-hate into a conversation about signing a guy that we all want back, but at a market price

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Wow Logic, Bush must have beat you up as a kid for you to hold such a grudge against him. I would think about seeking help for this. I'm not saying his was the best signing in the history of the NFL, but the way you go out of your way to find ways to bash him in threads that have nothing to do with him is odd. You work under the assumption that Bush's contract has an affect on all other aspects of the team...like Sharper in this case. That is your opinion and I for one do not agree with it. By releasing Grant the saints have shown that they are willing to cut ties with players that are not living up to their money. Obviously they feel Bush is. I'll take the opinion of the Super Bowl winning coaching staff and management over yours in the matter.

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I was kind of wondering that myself. :confused:

Reggie Bush has nothing to do with Sharper and vice versa. Can we please stay on topic for once! :D

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Plus after week 8 he was covering for a lot of other plyers who were hurt & out.

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I like Ice Cream. LOL

Agreed on the Bush hate. Sharper is nearing the end, so he wants as much as he can get. I don't blame him for that. The Saints are being cautious with their money. I don't blame them either. And I fully expect both sides to get this done soon after the draft.

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in regards to Bush vs. Sharper, is it possible that if we aren't overpaying for Bush, than paying a competitive price for Sharper is not such an issue?

It's not that complicated and y'all are being too sensitive. We are overpaying for Bush and can't afford the much needed and worth it Sharper.... why is it tragic to compare the two together? I just can't stand reading about salary limits preventing Sharpers return, knowing how much Reggie is robbing the saints for..... don't know how y'all can, but that's you .....sometimes, ignorance is bliss!

If we were talking about salary balance between any other players on the roster vs. Sharper, etc.... no one would be reaching for their shotguns. Why, because it's appropriate. It's what teams do, balance budget vs. volume of quality per player vs. priority, etc. But, because it's Reggie Bush (face of the saints), everyone wants to put on their stubborn caps.

I also think it's hypocritical that everyone's got something to say about Sharper along the lines of "just shut up and take what you can get", and "you're lucky they even want you here".... and at the same time, express no concern for the ridiculous chunk of change Reggie is set make. So everyone cares that Sharper (NFL defensive MVP caliber player) is looking for more money, but could care less what Reggie (high draft disappointment) is making. It just seems backwards, ignorant, hypocritical.... what have you.

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It isn't hypocritical to say "Sharper stop tryin to milk a famished cow". its about Sharper not Reggie, Sharper. Sharper wasn't drafted in 06 with the #2 pick was he? Reggie Bush is the driver in negotiations, The organization and coaches wanted him back, and to keep him that meant paying his $8mil salary.
He's not robbing the Saints, is he worth 8 mil a year i think its questionable but those were the terms of engagement. He's already re structured his deal b4.
Charles Grant robbed the Saints. Sharper was expecting to get a monster payday but the market isnt there so until he accepts the fact that teams will only want him at the right price, he'll be on the NFL Network. The Team does not owe him anything.

wrong sharper thread fyi.

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Possible? Maybe. But highly unlikely since they have shown they are willing to cut players rather than pay them more than what they think they are worth (see Grant). There is no evidence at all to suggest what the team is paying Bush, or any other player for that matter, has anything to do with them being willing or able to pay Sharper what he thinks he is worth. You are jumping to wild conclusions in order to support your Bush bashing. There is no way I believe that if Reggie was making less, or if he was cut from the team that the Saints would then say "Here you go Darren. Here is that franchise tag you wanted and the enormous paycheck that goes with it. We can afford it now that we don't have Reggie". Let's have everyone sound off to see if they think that would happen or not.

Again, jumping to conclusions. You are being too sensitive to how much he makes. He was paid according to what his draft position was. The Saints did not have much flexibility with that. That is how the draft and associated pay scale work. You are being ignorant when you dismiss Bush as nothing but a "decoy". Obviously SP and the organization feel differently. Do you claim to know more about it than they do?

This thread was not about salary balance. You brought it up as an excuse to bash Bush yet again and concoct some rumor about him being the reason we don’t give Sharper what he wants.

Sharper was lucky to hook up with the Saints last off-season. His services were not in great demand and he did not seem to be getting many offers from other teams. He caught on with us, got his ring and gave his career a big shot in the arm thanks to the style of defense we played. Sure he played very well and earned the accolades he received. But it was a team defensive effort last year. The entire secondary had improved play.

Reggie's performance also does not add up to a disappointment, as you seem to feel. Look at Jamarcus Russell and Alex Smith if you want to see high draft pick disappointments. Bush has averaged 8 TDs per season since he has been in the league with a 4.0 YPC average. His best rushing season was last year where he averaged 5.6 YPC. Those are hardly hall of fame numbers, but they are not bust numbers either.

We get it. You don't like Bush and think he is overpaid. Your constant harping on it and wild assertions that he is the reason for lack of signings is getting old.

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Did Reggie bang your pretend-girlfriend or something?
a) It is not your money.
b) the Sharper situation has NOTHING to do with the cap. There is no cap, moron.
c) Sharper IS lucky he's wanted here.. so far NO ONE has even talked to him.

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I think it Could be Sharper in disguise!! 0_o

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This one takes the cake!
a) OK, I can't comment on Reggie's money he's making, but everyone's got something to say about what Sharper's money. Brilliant!

b) Yes, there is no cap, I know, this makes us both geniuses, right! Did I ever say "cap"? What are you having arguments with yourself (and I'm a "Moron")? However, you have Loomis on TV saying "he's got all the Love in the world for Sharper, he just doesn't have all the money in the world for him". Apparently, it's not about cap space, but it's about bank accounts right? Is it possible that Reggies huge hit on the bank could be a factor on the rest of the money to go around? Don't think too hard..... Not many teams out there have 8 million dollar a year guys.... and have to carry other sallary's like Brees' righteous one now.

c) OK, you know Sharper is not getting interests from any other teams HOW???

Seriously, I'm serious here..... slow down and take a deep breath: How come you are getting so worked up and offended if Bush even comes up in a debate. I really think y'all over compensate in defense for him because his play is so controversial.

I have been and very well may continue to be a Bush critic. At this point, with so many years under his belt, many questionable, and really still trying to find just what it is he does really well..... is it really that hard to fathom that he may have critics? I truly, I MEAN TRULY can not believe how quick fans get their panties in a wad and in most typical fashion make personal insults on the poster opposed to opinion vs. opinion or even fact vs. fact based on the comments in question. Its ironic that Reggie's loyalist insult his critics with far fetched, school yard teen talk, when they know it's not true, but it's ironic that he is most often supported by some accomplishment not related to his football accolades... like "banging". I think "YOU" are more fixated on his celebrity status than anything. I don't think like that. .....you're just a tool!

Good lord all mighty, why do y'all get so god daym offended at the mention of Bush. He's not your little brother. He will come and go, and continue to be mediocre at every thing he does, so lighten up.

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holy wow, thanks for taking the time to actually respond... I'm serious! You do realize it would have been easier to just call me a few names though right ;) ???

I see all of your points and they are valid. I still can't help but feel the way I do. I think you probably feel like I'm over exaggerating and I think you're over exaggerating.... a little both ways.... and yes, both version tailored a little more to fit our personal opinions I'll agree to disagree. I think if Loomis is sitting in his office and not looking at $8 million next to #25 on the rooster, satisfying other pivotal guys Sharper wouldn't require as much banging heads on desk. Not many teams have to deal with a bug chunk like that, and the more affordable vets. aren't such an issue to lock in.

Of course everything I say is hypothetical, that's why we're talking... in forums.... expressing opinions. We don't work for the NFL. I know you know this, but you also know I'm not spreading rumors, I'm just speaking my view. That's what fans, as spectators do.

I've got a lot of respect for Sharper, I think he should be locked in for 2-3. I don't like the fact that he feels entitled to a big contract by default, but the bottom line is.... if we keep losing these pro-bowl caliber players, it adds up...... ask the Patriots.

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It's not a case of being offended. And you are certainly welcome to have and express your opinions. You are getting this response because many of the posts you make circle back to your feelings about Bush. The first few times you mentioned it no problem. When you turn a thread about other teams interested in Sharper into a Bush ***** fest again, then you are going to get a response. If you hear your favorite song over and over you'll get sick of it. When you hear a constant gripe you do too.

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Listen, the only time I've brought up woe's with Bush was in comparison to problems appeasing Sharper, money wise. Whether you agree with me or not, it's a valid point (theoretical or not). Sharper IS the hot topic right now and the primary concern.

The fact is, I brought up my take to be met by a wave of contradiction and hostility. I've continued to respond.... If I ignore indifferent opinions, then everybody's wasting their time.

As long is Bush is set to be the highest paid RB in the NFL with what, a Brees' like salary.... and Loomis and front office are scratching their heads with a closed checkbook, I'll be here. I'm glad y'all got it all figured out, but it baffles me.

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Offended? I am not offended, and I am not defending Bush...I have to admit, it does get tiresome to hear the same "OMG Bush is making this much bla blah blah draft bust blah blah blah gimmick blah blah blah" when talking about other players.

.. enough.. another Billy.

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Reggie comes up when u make ill-informed statements, to clarify why its different talkin about what reggie makes and what sharper wants, as stated before reggie is under contract and his salary is apart of that contract, Sharper is a Free Agent, coming off of knee surgery he's not gettin any younger hyperbolic time chamber or not he's not gonna get above market here. You just dont like Reggie just say so, 8td's a year is solid production. especially when you play in the offense he does. Again I Demand you change your name on the grounds that your statements and opinions do not contain logic. I'm almost embarrassed to share my favorite team with you, 1 word to describe is Ignorant. Like the "Nu Boyz" would say " Yer a jerk, Yer a Jerk Yer a Jerk Yer a jerk, Jerk, Jerk, Jerk,Jerk.....
dont be offended...seriously tho im tryin to show you the game and your not watchin, read everything I'v ever said in response to your post' and as your self is what i'm saying true or is it ficticious

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a fair market deal is a deal in which a player is paid according to their market value. He wants more then what teams are willing to pay him if it wasnt about money he'd be signed already. The team doesnt owe him anything. A future HOF means that he's had a long career and his best years behind him. you answered your own question. Yes i did say he should be honored because again The Team doesnt Have to sign him, They don't owe him anything he was apart of a super bowl winning TEAM but he didnt single handedly win the game so you sell a cow to save the farm not the other way around, but if you can keep the cow and the farm then you do so at the right price. I understand that your excited that we finally had Great Safety Play in god knows how long but he's older now then he was in 09 (is it safe to say each day you get older) Long term plans now not short term, NO LONGER THE DESPERATE SAINTS! read that 2x

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what the hell would everyone say if bush puts up hof numbers in 2010. wow which way did he go george, which way did he go. lol

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The fact is you made a comment about ignorance is bliss. So you threw out the first insult IMO. So don't act all wounded.

The facts are this: Bush's salary was pretty much determined by his draft position.

The Saints decided not to release him, thereby determining he was worth the $

Sharper wanted to have franchise tag money from us. That was 6 million dollars. Not so far off from Bush's salary.

So it comes down to the Saints deciding that 6 mil for a player comng off a great season, but on the end of his career and coming off an injury was not what other teams were willing to pay him and therefore not market value. If he signs for 6 mil with another team the decision may have been wrong. We shall see.

But with the draft approaching and the development of our younger guys in the secondary it makes sense to me that the team decided not to make the move. He will likely sign a cntract with us or another team for less than that. Why you say that Bush's salary has an impact on this decision is beyond me. That you seem to be proud that you feel this is puzzling.

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Isn't Sharpers proposed contract of $6 million over three years, vs. Reggies $8 million per next year? ...pretty significantly far of in comparison.

Coming into the off-season there were two big issues & question marks?

1. What are they going to do with / for Darren Sharper?

2. Are they going to bring back Reggie on his final and most costly year of his contract... or seek a trade?

... does anyone dispute that to this point?

Well, they have expressed that they intend to retain Bush and at his set rate... right? Well, that is a big commitment to honor, that frankly, BUSH IS LUCKY to the recipient of. Even when they draw these contracts, there is always ways out. If they traded him, they don't owe him the full 8 million, right? So if they do honor it, Bush is lucky.

Step back and look at it from an outsiders point of view. If Sharper goes and they retain Bush, is there no way that one of the others decision wouldn't have had an impact on the other? "Welp, looks like the Saints couldn't pay Sharper enough... but the didn't trade Reggie who's set to make___?" This is how I see and if it goes down, will be critiqued by analyst all the same.

It may be the obvious choice for the majority here and that's fine, Reggie is the obvious fan favorite (of all the women and kids) but it's a win / loose comparison I'm thinking about. Let's hope the keep Sharper either way so it doesn't matter.

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... do you want to talk about all of Reggie's knee surgeries?

So... it comes down to it.... you're pointing out I don't like Reggie and flailing into a personal, name calling frenzy. What's your association with the guy? "Hypothetically" speaking, say I'm not impressed with Reggie Bush, would this be possible and still share opinions with the likes of others? I think that's my whole point..... I'd value Sharper over Bush, if it came down to loosing either anyday. If unloading Bush helped them retains Sharper (& Fujita, & Bell), I'd be all about it. This is why it's relevant to talk about. Teams do it all the time. That's what's called a personal opinion....

You're a typical tool I wouldn't even bother to discuss a player with because you're emotional infatuations far override your ability to reason, you'd never address my views, but come back with direct personal insults. you've summed it up to this "I don't Like Reggie Bush, I'm a Jerk".

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This is what Saints fans do.... rub Reggie Bush's "next years" potential in doubters face year in, year out..... f***ing comedy?

Dude, seriously, you're "hypothetically" making fun of me based on fantasy situations that have not happened. What do you get out of this.... you feel that much more proud dawning your #25?

[fast forward to five years]


Reggie Bush represents hope, not a reality. And if that hope bands all the B&G together to have something to look forward to, so be it and he's worth his weight in gold for that alone....

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Not sure where you are getting three years from. A Franchise tag would not have spread the 6 million ove three years.

Yes I do. Bigger than either of these questions were what was to be done with Grant. You continue to ignore this. By letting him go the team made a statement about who they though was and was not earning their money. Retaining Bush, at least as far as not cutting him, was not really a doubt in my mind. Payton sees his value even if you don't. His comments showed that. He still may trade Bush, but never was he going to be let go. As far as Sharper, did you really think that he was going to be offerd a franchise tag? Honestly? That is the only thing that he would have been satisfied with so far.

So you think Bush is lucky like I think Sharper is lucky. Either way, the team could have cut Bush, thereby deciding he was not worth the 8 mil due him. But they decided not to. I will trust SP over your blind dislike of Bush. again, i ask if you really think they would have cut Grant, let fujita go, and not matched Bell, yet kept Reggie for 8 Mill if it kept them from giving sharper franchise money? Admit it, there is no logic there...not even a hint.

An outsider's point of view? Well, you are not anoutsider, so what do you know about it? But Ok, an outsider says, "Sharper is a free agent. He wants 6 million. He's coming off surgery, he's in the later part of his career. do I want to give him 6 million? Nope, sorry." Let's wait and see what happens. If another team gives him that much money I will be wrong. If they don't, will you admit you were?

[QUOTE=HintOfLogic;217606]Ok, another veiled shot at those people that won't agree with you about Reggie and how hw ffects the Sharper signing. Call them women and kids. Very good. I give you credit. It is the most credible argument you have come up with! If you cannot see the value Reggie brings to the team while some fans and the coaching staff can, then you are missing it. If you think reggie Bush has the same impact on a defense when he motions out of the backfield that Mike Bell or any other NFL back does when they motion, then you do not know football.

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can we have a thread wherewe dont have BUSH in it at all?..This is really getting lame. how about starting a "I HATE REGGIE BUSH" thread..

mods..can u help on this one?

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Alright Hint you win, I just dont understand why its so hard for you to understand that REGGIES SALARY WAS DECIDED WHEN HE WENT 2ND OVERALL IN THE 2006 NFL DRAFT, hind sight is 20/20. Sharper is Solid, those 9 interceptions came from outstanding coverage on the outsides. I dare you to say that Tracy Porter and Jabari Greer didnt make his job easier he recorded the stats but 22 and 32 were just as important. He played behind awful coverage with the Vikes for years and what did that get him? A ticket to N.O. I say that you are a fool if you Value Sharper more then Reggie, Take away the coverage and I dont think Sharper would be an option again this year, he HAD a great Career and solid year but His production was aided by the coverage. I think Malcom Jenkins and Chip Vaugn can do just as well back there.

I'm not gonna waste my time and knowledge anymore on this subject and ignorance as to why reggie is valued much higher then a declining 34 year old safety every other team would have him playing SS. I hope you take your homer glasses off and consider the information with an open mind and use that Hint of logic that seems to have taken a vacation. The mud slinging comes from your own doing You called out TheVillain never ever ever call out TheVillain unless your on point. like I said before I welcome all contradictory opinions and statements but they must be factual and not here say, it makes for outrageously long threads full of redundant information. So I say GOOD DAY SIR!