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I know this is pretty radical but here's what I'd do...
If the Colts put 7-8 up front to stop the rush, PASS
If they back off and play honest, RUN
I know thats thinking "out-of-the-box" but it just might work!

On passes: If Joe Horn is covered, consider looking for another WR/TE/RB that is open
On rushes: If Deuce is stuffed 10 straight times up the middle, maybe try outside to the left, or live dangerously and go right.
I do realize that this is probably beyond MartzCarthy's comprehension so I'm hoping Haslett can explain the complexity of it all to him.

My mind is now too fatiqued to even think about a defensive strategy. I've peaked!

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Here\'s what you do:

Open up with 3 wides and Deuce in the bf. Run a no huddle, hurry up offense to get the Colts off guard. Then, when they start roaming their safeties, run Duece. Then, when the bring the safeties back in the box, play action and look for plays down the middle. Deep outs and skinny posts. There, you can thank me for the winning game plan now. Oh yeah, on D one thing and one thing only. Pressure, pressure, pressure. Anything less and Manning will have a field day.

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This game could really be easy. You\'re right, call a huddle at the line. If they show a 8-9 man box, make it a 5 rec. set and have all rec. go to a certain ZONE and find a hole. This of course takes a qb who can not only read a def but also can think quick under pressure. The holes will be there!!

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FWtex -- You can\'t be serious !! Call a 5 receiver set at the line?? First of all you have to have 5 receivers on the field. Then you have no choice but to call a 5 receiver set. Why do I bother with you???

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FWtex -- You can\'t be serious !! Call a 5 receiver set at the line?? First of all you have to have 5 receivers on the field. Then you have no choice but to call a 5 receiver set. Why do I bother with you???

Why does Fwtex bother with you Billy ???

Standard pro formation - split back works good for this one .

Horn - Stallworth -Conwell

Brooks audibles - to no back formation . Backs approach the line .

Backs run cross over outs 5-10 yards
Receivers run fly patterns
Tight end runs a post pattern

5 receivers from a standard formation , audibilized in about 3 seconds .

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What 2 backs would that be 08? Deuce and ????

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Well obviously , If it is a no back formation it would have to be the fullback Terrelle Smith .

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Yeah, great !! That\'s exactly what we need. A fullback that never touches the ball going out for a pass. FY! -- You don\'t have to have an empty backfield to send a back out on a pass pattern.

[Edited on 27/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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Yeah, great !! That\'s exactly what we need. A fullback that never touches the ball going out for a pass.

Billy , you watch the games ??? You said never .......

Here are Terrelle Smiths receiving stats for your never theory .
RECEIVING

YEAR TEAM G GS Rec Yds Avg TD
2000 New Orleans Saints 14 9 12 65 5.4 0
2001 New Orleans Saints 14 9 4 30 7.5 2
2002 New Orleans Saints 16 8 9 30 3.3 0
2003 New Orleans Saints 3 2 0 0 --- 0
TOTAL 47 28 25 125 5.0 2


FY! -- You don\'t have to have an empty backfield to send a back out on a pass pattern.

From the proposed formation you do .... Otherwise it is 4 genius .....

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Smith has 25 catches in his career and you think it\'s a good idea to line him up as a receiver?? How many times have you seen Smith lined up as a receiver?? I tell ya -- NONE!! See FWtex said call a 5 receiver set. You want to get ridiculous and talk about lining Smith up as a receiver. Why don\'t we just let Wanye Gandy be an eligable receiver? Makes about as much sense.

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Terrelle has 2 touchdowns , in case you missed that . Made some sense at some point and it kinda blows your NEVER theory ......

Why don\'t we just let Wanye Gandy be an eligable receiver? Makes about as much sense.
Would that be better or worse then lining up Warren Sapp ?????

See FWtex said call a 5 receiver set.

And once again you are wrong Billy , try reading the posts before you respond to them FWtex wrote make it a 5 receiver set .
If they show a 8-9 man box, make it a 5 rec. set and have all rec. go to a certain ZONE and find a hole.

And this how you make it :

Standard pro formation - split back works good for this one .

Horn - Stallworth -Conwell

Brooks audibles - to no back formation . Backs approach the line .

Backs run cross over outs 5-10 yards
Receivers run fly patterns
Tight end runs a post pattern

5 receivers from a standard formation , audibilized in about 3 seconds .

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I could be wrong here, but why not just line up in 2 tight end sets all day?

Boo is more of a receiver than a blocker anyway and Conwell is a proven receiving threat too.

With the 2 extra blockers up front, Duece has a little more room to work with and if they start loading 8 in the box, just let Boo and Conwell come off their blocks and Duece come out of the backfield. Then you\'d have 5 receivers without having to worry with Smith.

Or line up with Stallworth on the field too and let Duece hang out as the singleback? Smith is a pretty good fullback, but if we\'re looking at 8 in the box we can\'t really run a great power game can we? Either way we could audible Duece out of the backfield or have him run a short out coming from the backfield.

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um 25 catches in a little over 3 years is NEVER

there is a reason he only has 25 catches: he has hands of stone, besides he\'s even gone on record to say he doesn\'t want the ball he wants to block

and why is 08 discussing this anyway, AB is too dumb to run a hurry up offense

if they have 8-9 guys in the box and we audible into a 5 reciever set you know what happens?? AB gets sacked because our o line looks like crap

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Rusta --

Some members on here want to over complicate things. Take 08 for example. To make himself sound crediable, he needs to talk about things he really doesn\'t know about. Everyone knows about 4 and 5 receiver sets and how to audible out of a certain situations to get 4 or 5 players running pass routes, but you want to give your offense the best chance to succeed and it just isn\'t pratical for our fullback to run pass patterns. Especially when you consider we have enough talented receivers to not have to do that.

08 just has to bring RIDICULOS things up like that to further his agenda against Aaron Brooks. Anyone with any sense KNOWS that Aaron is not the problem with this offense. As a matter of fact, I would hate to see what the offense would have looked like without Aaron for the first 3 games.

[Edited on 28/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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but you want to give your offense the best chance to succeed and it just isn\'t pratical for our fullback to run pass patterns.

Great , now according to Billy we have fullbacks that it is not practical to throw too .

Same set .

Standard pro formation - split back works good for this one .

Horn - Stallworth -Conwell

Playaction pass - Duece up the middle , who is the safety valve ?????

Horn - Stallworth -Conwell are covered , should Brooks take the sack or throw it out into the flat to a wide open Fullback ???

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8 ball and Billie,

You guys have the same problem the current saints coaches have ... you can\'t think outside the box if your life depended on it.

I called a 5 receiver set ... I did not say you would have 5 WR on the field. Tell me, would it be very possible to have Horn, Pathon, Stallworth, Deuce, and Conwell on the field with no back in the backfield? Absolutely, i have seen it too much already this season.

If you have those 5 players its just a matter of positioning them for the defensive set. With the talent on the saints offense they could give defenses nightmares being able to switch back and forth from a 5 receiver set to a single back formation without substituting players. Problem would be it takes good coaching to pull this off. Sam Wyche used this concept very well with Boomer at QB and it was effective when they needed to get something going.

Note I am not saying this would be the offense to be run for a whole game, but when the defense is whooping you all over the field.

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My apologies 08! I did not see where you were quoting what billy said in his post. I thought you were calling my post crazy like billie was. After going back and reading the rest of your post I see you have a similar thought on this.

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Listen up girls (FWtex,08) if you think we\'re going to make a living sending our fullback out on pass routes, then more power to ya !!


FWtex -- You weren\'t wrong calling for a 5 receiver set -- But what you need to realize is that McCarthy needs to have the personel on the field for Brooks to be able to audible into that formation. So far McCarthy doesn\'t have the enough of our receivers on the field to give us the best chance for success..

08 -- I don\'t know why I bother with you because you think Brooks is the cause of all that is evil. But listen up -- Go buy you an Aaron Brooks\' jersey and sit in front of your TV tonight and actually watch the man play QB. Quit pretending you are an expert at the QB position and watch the man make plays.

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Damn, I am such an idiot. I completely forgot Duece was the saints fullback. I also am too stupid to realize that Horn, Pathon, Stallworth, McAllister and Conwell does not give McCarthy enough on the field to work with.

I am out of my league on this board.

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Yep!!!!!!!!!!

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Listen up girls (FWtex,08) if you think we\'re going to make a living sending our fullback out on pass routes, then more power to ya !!


Billy if you think a fullback cannot be utilized in the passing game , your limited knowledge of an offense has just gotten the better of you .

3rd and 2 , playaction is shutdown by the defense , fullback is open in the flat as the safety valve, you throw it to him to get the yardage for the first .

Thats how you make a living at it , by utilizing the men on the field to move the chains and get the first .

Like Alstot cannot catch and run with the ball ??? :casstet:

YEAR TEAM G GS Rec Yds Avg TD
1996 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 65 557 8.6 3
1997 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 15 15 23 178 7.7 3
1998 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 22 152 6.9 1
1999 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 27 239 8.9 2
2000 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 13 13 13 93 7.2 0
2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 16 35 231 6.6 1
2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 9 35 242 6.9 2
2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3 2 8 58 7.3 0
TOTAL 111 103 228 1750 7.7 12


Alstot has 1750 career receiving yards .

By the way , the team that utilized the fullback in the passing game . They all have superbowl rings . :P

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08 -- Like I said, I don\'t know why I bother with you. Now, listen to me realy close. We don\'t have Mike Alstot. We have Terell Smith. It\'s hard to utilize someone when they are on another team. We could utilize Randy Moss IF we had him, but we DON\'T.

Now put that in your Delhomme pipe and smoke it!~!

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Billy ,

The Saints do not have Ritchie either genius .

1998 Oakland Raiders 15 10 29 225 7.8 0
1999 Oakland Raiders 16 14 45 408 9.1 1
2000 Oakland Raiders 13 12 26 173 6.7 0
2001 Oakland Raiders 15 10 19 154 8.1 2
2002 Oakland Raiders 16 2 10 66 6.6 1
2003 Philadelphia Eagles 2 2 1 12 12.0 0
TOTAL 77 50 130 1038 8.0 4

But that does not limit the utilization of the fullback in the passing game .

Seems the only limitations are in your lack of knowledge genius ....

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08 --

Certain players have certain skills that can be utilized. Terell Smith isn\'t a good receiver. You can keep playing fantasy football but I\'ll stick to the real thing.

Now go work on your play book and maybe one day you can go back and coach pee wee football. FWtex can be your assistant. Be sure you guys get a fullback that can catch.

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Billie, you play \"real\" football? What league? What team? what position? Let us know \'cause I am sure we can send a scout to get some film on ya.

BTW, Terell Smith does have good hands to catch the ball. You just don\'t get to see it because the other fullback, McAllister, is playing ahead of him.

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Certain players have certain skills that can be utilized. Terell Smith isn\'t a good receiver. You can keep playing fantasy football but I\'ll stick to the real thing.



YEAR TEAM G GS Rec Yds Avg TD
2000 New Orleans Saints 14 9 12 65 5.4 0
2001 New Orleans Saints 14 9 4 30 7.5 2
2002 New Orleans Saints 16 8 9 30 3.3 0
2003 New Orleans Saints 3 2 0 0 --- 0
TOTAL 47 28 25 125 5.0 2

Terrelles 5.0 receiving average is a fantasy genius ???

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Billy ,

Now this is fantasy football little genius ..... :P

FWtex --

The Saints will win this game. Remember who told you !! I know after the Saints win that you will want back on the bandwagon. Your lucky I\'m such a nice guy, cause I made sure to save you a spot. You\'ll just have to eat a little crow first.

I\'ll be serving a big ole helping of CROW after the Colts game tonight. Don\'t be late!!

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Anyone get any crow ???

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I think billie is very busy eating all the crow he was cooking up for me and others. I hope he found a good recipe for himself.

Billy, you are the onlt bright spot of the night!!! LMFAO!!!!

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Hey FWtex ,

We are gonna have to ask Billy if it tastes like chicken ..... :P

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Thought Blake6900 put it right out there earlier .

To Billy Carpenter:

If you can still defend Brooks after this pathetic performance, then you\'re as bad seeing reality as he is reading a defense. He stinks and even you have to see that.

That fumble (you know the one where he tunnel-visioned the left side) is a perfect example of how downright ignorant this guy is. He sends McCalister in motion to the left and never once looks at the right side of the line. Duh! He couldn\'t read a defense if it was staring him in the face. I guess the NFL scouts were right, he is an idiot. I look forward to seeing how you can rationalize this.

BTW, you\'re starting to look rather foolish, ya know?!