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strato 04-13-2010 11:32 PM

Jammal Brown to skip offseason workouts
 
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New Orleans Saints restricted free agent left tackle Jammal Brown is planning to skip offseason workout program
By Mike Triplett, The Times-Picayune
April 13, 2010, 3:16PM

Chuck Cook / The Times-PicayuneNew Orleans Saints left tackle Jammal Brown says he's not going to report for the team's offseason conditioning program Monday.New Orleans Saints restricted free agent left tackle Jammal Brown said he has not yet signed his qualifying offer from the Saints, and he is not planning to attend the team's offseason conditioning program when it begins next Monday.

"I don't consider it a holdout. I'm just patiently waiting," said Brown, who was scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent this year before new league rules went into effect, making all free agents with less than six years of experience into restricted free agents.

The Saints offered Brown a one-year qualifying tender of $3.619 million, which is lofty but nowhere near the kind of money the two-time Pro Bowler would have made on the open market.


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strato 04-13-2010 11:37 PM

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Well atleast we did sign Bushrod....

CantonLegend 04-14-2010 03:05 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to skip offseason workouts
 
you get hurt for the entire season last year

you get a free super bowl ring....you play on a team completely capable of repeating and you can actually earn your ring

you play on a team that is more loved by its home city than any other sports franchise IN THE WORLD

and your going to sit on ur butt while the rest of the team gets better

you earn no sympathy from me or anyone else by doing this......you want a better contract......EARN IT

i hope to god bushrod doesnt play like **** like he did last year and takes your spot if you cant manage to get over a few cents

no matter how much i cheer you on and support you as a player, you will never get a huge contract extension after you sit an entire season on the bench

SmashMouth 04-14-2010 05:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218231)
you get hurt for the entire season last year

you get a free super bowl ring....you play on a team completely capable of repeating and you can actually earn your ring

you play on a team that is more loved by its home city than any other sports franchise IN THE WORLD

and your going to sit on ur butt while the rest of the team gets better

you earn no sympathy from me or anyone else by doing this......you want a better contract......EARN IT

i hope to god bushrod doesnt play like **** like he did last year and takes your spot if you cant manage to get over a few cents

no matter how much i cheer you on and support you as a player, you will never get a huge contract extension after you sit an entire season on the bench


Maybe he's in tip top shape already and needn't work out with the team!

hagan714 04-14-2010 06:35 AM

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oh well it is his choice. not like the world is knocking at his door.

subguy 04-14-2010 07:50 AM

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Meanwhile he just patiently waits.............

saintsfan1976 04-14-2010 08:18 AM

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Dennis Landolt - OT Penn St.
6'4" 310

Round 6

ScottF 04-14-2010 09:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 218240)
oh well it is his choice. not like the world is knocking at his door.

exactly- maybe he gets a look after the draft, but how can he expect more money after a zero production year when the team showed they did not need him?

and how attractive is he to other teams if he is not working out?

Sir Psycho Sexy 04-14-2010 10:07 AM

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relax guys, it's business. He'll be ready come preseason and beyond.

strato 04-14-2010 10:56 AM

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I think this is about the only leverage he has...

voodooido 04-14-2010 11:08 AM

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I would take a 2rd pick for him at this point

strato 04-14-2010 11:11 AM

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I tend to agree...cause he got bad knees...so how does this work.. if we want to trade him..being a RFA..does he have to sign first then we can trade him?..i am not up on all that...

saintfan 04-14-2010 01:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218231)
you get hurt for the entire season last year

you get a free super bowl ring....you play on a team completely capable of repeating and you can actually earn your ring

you play on a team that is more loved by its home city than any other sports franchise IN THE WORLD

and your going to sit on ur butt while the rest of the team gets better

you earn no sympathy from me or anyone else by doing this......you want a better contract......EARN IT

i hope to god bushrod doesnt play like **** like he did last year and takes your spot if you cant manage to get over a few cents

no matter how much i cheer you on and support you as a player, you will never get a huge contract extension after you sit an entire season on the bench

+1

What a little $%*#@. Sign the offer, play it out and work with the team next year.

st thomas 04-14-2010 01:59 PM

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i just as well think he won't be here in 2010, talking like that just makes me think he;s gone and we will get great compensation for the 2 time pro bowler, we have a great staff with great judge of talent especially offense line talent so i'm not worried one bit.

CantonLegend 04-14-2010 02:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 218282)
I would take a 2rd pick for him at this point

he is tendered at a 1st and 3rd rounder

no way in hell i would let him slip away for a 2nd rounder

even if he isnt worth a 1st and a 3rd......hes definitly worth a 1st and i dont even like saying that

hes invaluable to this team and deserves whatever contract he wants.....but i highly disagree with players sitting at home while the rest of the team shows up......thats BS and he dropped a few notches in my book by just saying this

darstep 04-14-2010 02:40 PM

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Let the man fish! He may catch the BIG one. How much longer can he really carry all that load on those knees? effectively?

ScottF 04-14-2010 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218349)

.....but i highly disagree with players sitting at home while the rest of the team shows up.....

especially when he wasn't really a part of the team last year

Crusader 04-14-2010 03:47 PM

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Could we trade him to the Patriots for Vince Wilfork, get Jared Gaither for our second rounder and let him and Busrod fight it out. Wilfor next to Ellis would be a deadly combination.

Sir Psycho Sexy 04-14-2010 04:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 218284)
I tend to agree...cause he got bad knees...so how does this work.. if we want to trade him..being a RFA..does he have to sign first then we can trade him?..i am not up on all that...


yes. he can be traded but only once he signs. after the deadline saints have exclusive rights and i believe can trade him then too.

st thomas 04-14-2010 04:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218349)
he is tendered at a 1st and 3rd rounder

no way in hell i would let him slip away for a 2nd rounder

even if he isnt worth a 1st and a 3rd......hes definitly worth a 1st and i dont even like saying that

hes invaluable to this team and deserves whatever contract he wants.....but i highly disagree with players sitting at home while the rest of the team shows up......thats BS and he dropped a few notches in my book by just saying this

your right legend but it seems to be the reason no one is biting, a high no# 2 and mid 3rd rounder would shore it up right? the 2 high to mid picks would be powerful to the saints future. were talking possibly 2 starters maybe.

strato 04-14-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 218411)
your right legend but it seems to be the reason no one is biting, a high no# 2 and mid 3rd rounder would shore it up right? the 2 high to mid picks would be powerful to the saints future. were talking possibly 2 starters maybe.

Why yeah meh sha

st thomas 04-14-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 218412)
Why yeah meh sha

are you possibly taunting my coonass roots? lol

strato 04-14-2010 04:30 PM

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I was raised in Crowley....so im not too far off from u...do u know if Antlers still has bands?

st thomas 04-14-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 218415)
I was raised in Crowley....so im not too far off from u...do u know if Antlers still has bands?

you know i have'nt been there in awhile but if its the one on jefferson st there still kickin, the eats were very good there. thanks for reminding me. i live 182 north near buzzardville.

strato 04-14-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 218419)
you know i have'nt been there in awhile but if its the one on jefferson st there still kickin, the eats were very good there. thanks for reminding me. i live 182 north near buzzardville.

My band use to play there back in the 90s.,.killer gig...and great crowd..i had hear they folded...

TheDeuce 04-14-2010 04:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218349)
he is tendered at a 1st and 3rd rounder

no way in hell i would let him slip away for a 2nd rounder

even if he isnt worth a 1st and a 3rd......hes definitly worth a 1st and i dont even like saying that

hes invaluable to this team and deserves whatever contract he wants.....but i highly disagree with players sitting at home while the rest of the team shows up......thats BS and he dropped a few notches in my book by just saying this

Did I read this right? Jamaal Brown is invaluable?!?! He deserves whatever contract he wants?!?!

Surely I'm misunderstanding something here. Surely a guy who missed an entire season and saw the team do better than when he was playing is not invaluable. He's valuable because he's a good player, but invaluable is unbelievably... What's the word I'm looking for? Silly? Ridiculous?

Please explain what you meant, surely that's not what you intended.

QBREES9 04-14-2010 09:42 PM

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Send him off to the Cowgirls.

strato 04-14-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 218468)
Send him off to the Cowgirls.

Not a bad idea and J.J would probably be the highest bidder...All we have to do is catch him drunk ...lol

QBREES9 04-14-2010 10:02 PM

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Thats if he not drunk and wants to talk sh*** about somebody. Put Zach over there he play LT

SaintPauly 04-14-2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 218468)
Send him off to the Cowgirls.

You must be psychic bro.... Just saw that he might be on the trading block with the Cowboys, come draft day. I say a 1st, and at least a 4th, or another player.

TheDeuce 04-14-2010 11:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 218504)
You must be psychic bro.... Just saw that he might be on the trading block with the Cowboys, come draft day. I say a 1st, and at least a 4th, or another player.

You must be smoking something. Brown isn't even worth the 31st pick. If I was another team, I wouldn't give up anything better than the 48th pick. Injury prone and struggled against elite defensive ends.

SaintPauly 04-14-2010 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 218512)
You must be smoking something. Brown isn't even worth the 31st pick. If I was another team, I wouldn't give up anything better than the 48th pick. Injury prone and struggled against elite defensive ends.

I don't think it's unreasonable at all. Brown is a two time pro bowl LT, and the cowboys need someone that reliable to protect Romo's blindside. A rookie isn't going to be able to do that in my opinion. And JJ wants a superbowl now, not next year.

CantonLegend 04-15-2010 01:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 218423)
Did I read this right? Jamaal Brown is invaluable?!?! He deserves whatever contract he wants?!?!

Surely I'm misunderstanding something here. Surely a guy who missed an entire season and saw the team do better than when he was playing is not invaluable. He's valuable because he's a good player, but invaluable is unbelievably... What's the word I'm looking for? Silly? Ridiculous?

Please explain what you meant, surely that's not what you intended.

im really not up to explaining why but i'll put it in a nutshell for you

brown is a 2 time pro bowl LT......he has missed significant time only once in his career(last year).....he isnt as injury prone as people make him out to be

oh yea.....and our backup that we put in last year......stunk

here's a little tid bit to help you understand what im talking about

He led the league in rushing average behind left tackle while only allowing 3 sacks in 2008.....and those holding and false start penalties he had? brown was credited with 7 penalties all season in 2008......combined he made up for 10 bad plays the entire season

when we passed the ball more than any other team in history and our starting LT only gives up 3 sacks and is credited with only 7 penalties all season......BROWN IS A STUD


Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 218512)
You must be smoking something. Brown isn't even worth the 31st pick. If I was another team, I wouldn't give up anything better than the 48th pick. Injury prone and struggled against elite defensive ends.

i'll give you the name of another guy who struggles against elite defensive ends.....maybe you've heard of him......his name is EVERYBODY

jeanpierre 04-17-2010 07:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218231)
you get hurt for the entire season last year

you get a free super bowl ring....you play on a team completely capable of repeating and you can actually earn your ring

you play on a team that is more loved by its home city than any other sports franchise IN THE WORLD

and your going to sit on ur butt while the rest of the team gets better

you earn no sympathy from me or anyone else by doing this......you want a better contract......EARN IT

i hope to god bushrod doesnt play like **** like he did last year and takes your spot if you cant manage to get over a few cents

no matter how much i cheer you on and support you as a player, you will never get a huge contract extension after you sit an entire season on the bench

Hey Bro...

How you liking Brown now?!?

Trade his arse now and get a guy that wants to be here; and no, if you didn't play you shouldn't get a ring, tough break :doh: but that's how it should be...

It's not a dig on you, it's just this all I've ever seen out of this guy and that's why I would love to get even a R2 pick for 'em

CantonLegend 04-17-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 218971)
Hey Bro...

How you liking Brown now?!?

Trade his arse now and get a guy that wants to be here; and no, if you didn't play you shouldn't get a ring, tough break :doh: but that's how it should be...

It's not a dig on you, it's just this all I've ever seen out of this guy and that's why I would love to get even a R2 pick for 'em

hes still clearly our best tackle

but this upsets me a lot

you hear a lot of this from skill positions but not very common for offensive linemen......im really disappointed in him

TheDeuce 04-17-2010 02:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218549)
im really not up to explaining why but i'll put it in a nutshell for you

brown is a 2 time pro bowl LT......he has missed significant time only once in his career(last year).....he isnt as injury prone as people make him out to be

oh yea.....and our backup that we put in last year......stunk

here's a little tid bit to help you understand what im talking about

He led the league in rushing average behind left tackle while only allowing 3 sacks in 2008.....and those holding and false start penalties he had? brown was credited with 7 penalties all season in 2008......combined he made up for 10 bad plays the entire season

when we passed the ball more than any other team in history and our starting LT only gives up 3 sacks and is credited with only 7 penalties all season......BROWN IS A STUD




i'll give you the name of another guy who struggles against elite defensive ends.....maybe you've heard of him......his name is EVERYBODY

Perhaps you missed the point of my comment: JAMMAL BROWN IS NOT INVALUABLE. I don't think you know what invaluable means. If he was invaluable, there would have been no way to win a Super Bowl with him gone for the entire season.

Here's what Pat Yasinkas wrote two days ago:

Falling

New Orleans offensive tackle Jammal Brown. He reportedly will stay away from offseason workouts and we can only assume that’s Brown’s way of stating he wants a big, long-term contract. That’s a bit of a risky move. Brown is an above average left tackle, but he’s not dominant. He missed last year with an injury and the Saints got by with Jermon Bushrod and Zach Strief. That wasn’t an ideal situation, but it showed the Saints can function without Brown. That could turn out to be a sign of things to come. Take a look around the league. Teams aren't rushing to give out long-term deals because they don't know what's going to happen with the labor situation. Brown's not exactly playing from a position of strength right now.

And yes, Brown is injury prone. Not once in his five year career has he played 16 games. While this past season was the longest, I still consider somebody who can never play a full season to be injury prone.

And while Bushrod certainly isn't as good as Brown, he's no chump. The Saints line, as a total, gave up the fourth fewest sacks in the NFL so let's not try to paint him as a terrible lineman. The Saints also had the fourth most rushing first downs in the NFL when rushing to the left side, and the seventh most rushes over 10 yards.

CantonLegend 04-17-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 218990)
Perhaps you missed the point of my comment: JAMMAL BROWN IS NOT INVALUABLE. I don't think you know what invaluable means. If he was invaluable, there would have been no way to win a Super Bowl with him gone for the entire season.

Here's what Pat Yasinkas wrote two days ago:

Falling

New Orleans offensive tackle Jammal Brown. He reportedly will stay away from offseason workouts and we can only assume that’s Brown’s way of stating he wants a big, long-term contract. That’s a bit of a risky move. Brown is an above average left tackle, but he’s not dominant. He missed last year with an injury and the Saints got by with Jermon Bushrod and Zach Strief. That wasn’t an ideal situation, but it showed the Saints can function without Brown. That could turn out to be a sign of things to come. Take a look around the league. Teams aren't rushing to give out long-term deals because they don't know what's going to happen with the labor situation. Brown's not exactly playing from a position of strength right now.

And yes, Brown is injury prone. Not once in his five year career has he played 16 games. While this past season was the longest, I still consider somebody who can never play a full season to be injury prone.

And while Bushrod certainly isn't as good as Brown, he's no chump. The Saints line, as a total, gave up the fourth fewest sacks in the NFL so let's not try to paint him as a terrible lineman. The Saints also had the fourth most rushing first downs in the NFL when rushing to the left side, and the seventh most rushes over 10 yards.

thank god for pat yasinkas.....without him i wouldnt know anything about football

i know exactly what invaluable means.....i used it correctly in a sentence and even spelled it right......you want its country of origin too?

there is nothing that you can tell me that i dont already know about jammal brown because ive had this argument a lot more than you have. no matter what pat says, a 2 time pro bowl LT is not simply "above average"

Cruize 04-17-2010 05:38 PM

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Brown will bring a high 3rd at best in a trade with maybe a conditional 4th next year that could become a third thrown in. But, when it's all said and done, I expect Brown to be a Saint in 2010. And for the 2010 season, my opinion is that's for the best. There no doubt Bushrod can get the job done. But, the more talent and depth the better. Without Brown and with an injury to Bushrod or Stinchcomb, Strief is starting with no depth behind him. The downside is with all the tackles being free agents next year and two most likely leaving, a strength becomes a weakness real quick.

TheDeuce 04-17-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218991)
thank god for pat yasinkas.....without him i wouldnt know anything about football

i know exactly what invaluable means.....i used it correctly in a sentence and even spelled it right......you want its country of origin too?

there is nothing that you can tell me that i dont already know about jammal brown because ive had this argument a lot more than you have. no matter what pat says, a 2 time pro bowl LT is not simply "above average"

O wow, you've had this argument a lot more than I have?!?!? Then you must be an expert. Point is, invaluable means priceless, among other things. So you're implying that we give Jammal Brown whatever he wants? Even after sitting out for a year and watching his team do better than the previous season? Please enlighten me on how that makes sense.

CantonLegend 04-17-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 219002)
O wow, you've had this argument a lot more than I have?!?!? Then you must be an expert. Point is, invaluable means priceless, among other things. So you're implying that we give Jammal Brown whatever he wants? Even after sitting out for a year and watching his team do better than the previous season? Please enlighten me on how that makes sense.

yes im an expert......i know pretty much everything

i got this app on my iphone that you should really check out....it lets me know EVERYTHING.....but alas.....it costs millions of dollars and its banned in 49 states

im not implying that the saints should give brown whatever he wants.....im flat out saying the saints should give brown whatever he wants

it was evident that brown is light years ahead of bushrod and brown clearly deserves whatever he asks for simply by being on the field


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