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RockyMountainSaint 04-19-2010 01:49 PM

Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Interesting....

Last spring, Cody scaled 373 pounds. He still was too big (370) at the Senior Bowl in late January. But he was down to 354 at the combine a month later, then to 349 on March 10 at pro day.

"He's a big, fat blob," an NFC personnel man said. "He's a big media creation. If you want a guy to play 10 plays a game and make maybe one play in those 10, then that's your guy. He can't move. He just stands there. He cannot move at all."

Just how slow is Cody's 5.66-second clocking in the 40-yard dash? You can't find a slower drafted defensive tackle in the last 20 years. The closest were Corey Swinson (seventh round, 1995) at 5.62, and Tim Roberts (fifth round, 1992) and Ron Brace (second round, 2009) at 5.51.

"This guy doesn't have any first-step quickness," one scout said.

Assuming Cody still is 349, he would be heavier than any defensive tackle in the last 20 drafts with the exception of 365-pound Jon Kirksey, an eighth-round choice in 1993 who ran 5.29 and played two seasons for St. Louis. Nobody else weighed more than 341.

There are fears that once Cody cashes a signing bonus, his best incentive to watch his weight will be gone. Still, there are 14 teams using the 3-4 defense, and for them he can provide a valuable service.

"The good thing is he has got his life together and is losing weight," said A.J. Smith, general manager of the San Diego Chargers. "Talent? Immense. The only thing he has to worry about is eating himself out of the league."

The rest of the article here:
Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust? - JSOnline

Sir Psycho Sexy 04-19-2010 03:46 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
If he falls to a team that runs a 3-4 I think he could make a big splash, no pun intended. If he is asked to convert to a 4-3 NT then I don't know. Either way he gave us Tide fans 2 great years of play and no off field issues.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 04:15 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
players at all positions are getting bigger....cody is before his time IMO

he will be dominant for any team that picks him regardless of how much he weighs

stockman311 04-19-2010 04:49 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Fat Turd. Sullivan Part Deaux.

Sir Psycho Sexy 04-19-2010 05:25 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 219168)
Fat Turd. Sullivan Part Deaux.

Hello LSU fan. lol

the-commish 04-19-2010 05:27 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Problem with Cody is his lack of lateral movement. That could not only prevent himself from getting to a play, but could prevent others on the DL from getting to it as well.

QBREES9 04-19-2010 06:21 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
He won't be Ryan Leaf..

MatthewT 04-19-2010 06:21 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Big guys are always welcomed in the NFL, but a big guy who cannot move is a serious liability at the NFL level. Very decent college player, just don't see an NFL future for this guy.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 06:26 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 219168)
Fat Turd. Sullivan Part Deaux.

you do this thing where you compare college players to former NFL players and leave it at that

fact is that no college player is a former nfl player.....thats why there is a draft sir

cody is different and plays differently.....sullivan was not as good a college player as cody

strato 04-19-2010 09:20 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
What if falls on someone ..that worries me Canton...

exile 04-19-2010 09:57 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219165)
players at all positions are getting bigger....cody is before his time IMO

For some reason, this is the most hilarious comment I have seen in awhile. LOL.. kudos Canton.

Pete 04-19-2010 10:06 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Too much appetite for Nawlins' for sure!

strato 04-19-2010 10:10 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
The local restaurants are praying for us to pick Cody...lol

neugey 04-19-2010 10:27 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
You know, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't see the all-out need for a DT on our team. Here's hoping that Ellis stays healthy this year and has his best year yet.

Let's go out on a limb and say that happens ... is it necessary to have another god at DT beside him? Last time I checked, Ellis wasn't that bad against the run, right?

When Warren Sapp, John Randle or even LaRoi Glover were in their hey-days, their teams didn't need to have another great DT beside them. Just needed to have a solid guy in there who could be relied upon to play the position properly and fill the right gap. I think we might be in an okay spot - Ayodele and Pressley still have some upside and maybe one of them will fill this role properly for us. Or maybe Clancy can come back and has something in the tank left.

And besides, when did getting 2 great DT's guarantee major success? Remember Jacksonville of a few years ago - great run-stuffing team ... but did it really matter? Did it really get them anywhere? Good teams find a way to move the ball against the Vikes and the Williams Wall - us included. Is it that that important to load up at DT?

Rugby Saint II 04-19-2010 11:16 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
It seems that he is trying to get his weight in line, but I still don't see him as the type of DT that GW can mold. It looks like he's already broken the mold.

TheDeuce 04-19-2010 11:20 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
I think there is a need at DT on this team, but not for Cody.

Trust the NFL scouts, not Canton and his wildly unfounded comments. He is "before his time" and "will be dominant...regardless of how much he weighs"? Really? Most everything I've read is that he's a huge man who fits as a nose tackle in a 3-4 defense and that there are serious concerns about conditioning, ability to stay healthy, and quickness. And I'd be cautious about touting him as a great college player. He was a 2X All-American, but I honestly think that's solely because he's circus freak big. In 2008 he had 24 tackles and half a sack. That's All-American worthy? Really? In 2009, he had 28 tackles. He doesn't have great production, doesn't play many plays, has weight issues, injury concerns, speed/agility concerns.... get the picture? This would be one of the worst picks ever.

strato 04-19-2010 11:22 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
This just just in.."Cody eats personal trainer"...details at 10..lol

D_it_up 04-19-2010 11:55 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Cody doesn't fit in the defensive system in New Orleans. Then again, he doesn't quite fit in his uniform, either.

Pete 04-20-2010 01:16 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
That's the only mention of bust he'll get in his career!can't get in canton eaten trainers that's for sure!!

CantonLegend 04-20-2010 01:39 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 219317)
I think there is a need at DT on this team, but not for Cody.

Trust the NFL scouts, not Canton and his wildly unfounded comments. He is "before his time" and "will be dominant...regardless of how much he weighs"? Really? Most everything I've read is that he's a huge man who fits as a nose tackle in a 3-4 defense and that there are serious concerns about conditioning, ability to stay healthy, and quickness. And I'd be cautious about touting him as a great college player. He was a 2X All-American, but I honestly think that's solely because he's circus freak big. In 2008 he had 24 tackles and half a sack. That's All-American worthy? Really? In 2009, he had 28 tackles. He doesn't have great production, doesn't play many plays, has weight issues, injury concerns, speed/agility concerns.... get the picture? This would be one of the worst picks ever.

lol lookin at stats for DTs again? i guarantee mcclain gets drafted in the first....but it definitly isnt because he made plays.....mcclain had a solid year because of cody

instead of looking at codys stats....look at the LBs stats

he impacts every play regardless of whether he makes the tackle or not

serious concerns about conditioning? he gets mauled by 2 men every play that average about 300 lbs......you expect him not to get winded when he is beating up 2 guys that are over 300 lbs every single play?

Quote:

Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 219328)
Cody doesn't fit in the defensive system in New Orleans.

the defensive system last year was......letting everybody run all over us

our pass defense suffered because of injury....our run defense suffered because of personel.....we play in possibly the only conference left in football where most of the teams are run first teams

cody provides a huge need not only as a run stopper, but also taking on blockers to free up blitzers

why doesnt he fit the system? we blitz a lot....cody keeps blockers off of our blitzers......we struggle against the run....cody stops the run up the middle

im worried that you guys have no idea what our defense needs

Crusader 04-20-2010 01:46 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 219302)
You know, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't see the all-out need for a DT on our team. Here's hoping that Ellis stays healthy this year and has his best year yet.

Let's go out on a limb and say that happens ... is it necessary to have another god at DT beside him? Last time I checked, Ellis wasn't that bad against the run, right?

When Warren Sapp, John Randle or even LaRoi Glover were in their hey-days, their teams didn't need to have another great DT beside them. Just needed to have a solid guy in there who could be relied upon to play the position properly and fill the right gap. I think we might be in an okay spot - Ayodele and Pressley still have some upside and maybe one of them will fill this role properly for us. Or maybe Clancy can come back and has something in the tank left.

And besides, when did getting 2 great DT's guarantee major success? Remember Jacksonville of a few years ago - great run-stuffing team ... but did it really matter? Did it really get them anywhere? Good teams find a way to move the ball against the Vikes and the Williams Wall - us included. Is it that that important to load up at DT?

Great post with a lot of interesting thoughts. I know Cody would be a big clogger but thats not really what we need imho. Just as you state we need a decent guy next to Ellis. But I would actually like us to focus on DE and LB before DT. This draft i soo deep on DTs I think its possible to find great value at the position even in round 3 and 4.

CantonLegend 04-20-2010 01:51 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neugey (Post 219302)
You know, maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't see the all-out need for a DT on our team. Here's hoping that Ellis stays healthy this year and has his best year yet.

Let's go out on a limb and say that happens ... is it necessary to have another god at DT beside him? Last time I checked, Ellis wasn't that bad against the run, right?

When Warren Sapp, John Randle or even LaRoi Glover were in their hey-days, their teams didn't need to have another great DT beside them. Just needed to have a solid guy in there who could be relied upon to play the position properly and fill the right gap. I think we might be in an okay spot - Ayodele and Pressley still have some upside and maybe one of them will fill this role properly for us. Or maybe Clancy can come back and has something in the tank left.

And besides, when did getting 2 great DT's guarantee major success? Remember Jacksonville of a few years ago - great run-stuffing team ... but did it really matter? Did it really get them anywhere? Good teams find a way to move the ball against the Vikes and the Williams Wall - us included. Is it that that important to load up at DT?

pass rush isnt our biggest concern......im assuming you think that DT and LB are bigger needs because of pass rush?

our team totaled 35 sacks last season.....but not only did we accumulate sacks, we also managed to create pressure which led to turnovers

believe it or not we had the 8th most sacks in the league as a team and led the league in turnovers as well as defensive TDs

pass rush wasnt an issue and pass defense wasnt our biggest concern.....stopping the run is our biggest weakness

oh and ellis is not warren sapp......he is good but he is not great and he does need some help alongside him.....he gets double and triple teamed quite a bit and we need a presence next to him that can take some of that heat off of him

Crusader 04-20-2010 02:36 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
You're right the passrush was decent at times but i'd like us to build for the future especially on the DE position. We don't really have any young guy there that we can develop.

SmashMouth 04-20-2010 07:13 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Ok ... so why can we not get him in the second round? Let's get Weaterspoon or Kindle in the first.

TheDeuce 04-20-2010 07:17 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219339)
lol lookin at stats for DTs again? i guarantee mcclain gets drafted in the first....but it definitly isnt because he made plays.....mcclain had a solid year because of cody

instead of looking at codys stats....look at the LBs stats

he impacts every play regardless of whether he makes the tackle or not

serious concerns about conditioning? he gets mauled by 2 men every play that average about 300 lbs......you expect him not to get winded when he is beating up 2 guys that are over 300 lbs every single play?



the defensive system last year was......letting everybody run all over us

our pass defense suffered because of injury....our run defense suffered because of personel.....we play in possibly the only conference left in football where most of the teams are run first teams

cody provides a huge need not only as a run stopper, but also taking on blockers to free up blitzers

why doesnt he fit the system? we blitz a lot....cody keeps blockers off of our blitzers......we struggle against the run....cody stops the run up the middle

im worried that you guys have no idea what our defense needs

I figured it out! Canton is sleeping with Terrence Cody, and he likes when Mount is on top.

Cruize 04-20-2010 07:48 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
He's not worth the first round risk. And when it's all said and done, he will be nothing more than a guy in someones DL rotation. Solid but never close to being a star.

stockman311 04-20-2010 08:50 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219211)
you do this thing where you compare college players to former NFL players and leave it at that

fact is that no college player is a former nfl player.....thats why there is a draft sir

cody is different and plays differently.....sullivan was not as good a college player as cody

Sullivan was a vastly better college player than Cody. There's a reason he was scouted as a top 20 pick and Cody is scouted as a 2nd rounder: College production. You continue to amaze me. Sometimes I think your fingers have a mind of their own when typing.

CantonLegend 04-20-2010 09:36 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stockman311 (Post 219386)
Sullivan was a vastly better college player than Cody. There's a reason he was scouted as a top 20 pick and Cody is scouted as a 2nd rounder: College production. You continue to amaze me. Sometimes I think your fingers have a mind of their own when typing.

cody was also scouted as the best NT in the country

however....his weight at the senior bowl has supposedly dropped him out of the first round even tho many consider him to still be a first rounder

also remember that this draft is much deeper than the 2003 draft

stockman311 04-20-2010 10:00 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Let's just put it this way, my wife is an AVID Charger fan. They play a 3-4 defense and lost Jamal Williams, so they DESPERATELY need a NT. She wants no part of him. That's all I had to hear.

RockyMountainSaint 04-20-2010 10:36 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219393)
cody was also scouted as the best NT in the country

however....his weight at the senior bowl has supposedly dropped him out of the first round even tho many consider him to still be a first rounder

also remember that this draft is much deeper than the 2003 draft

Last spring, Cody scaled 373 pounds. He still was too big (370) at the Senior Bowl in late January. But he was down to 354 at the combine a month later, then to 349 on March 10 at pro day.

He didn't show up at the Senior Bowl fatter. He played that way all year!
Everyone knew he was fat and knows he will stay fat.
Twenty-two reps in the bench press isn't impressive either.

SmashMouth 04-20-2010 12:50 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
More importantly, can Cody do backflips?

st thomas 04-20-2010 01:10 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
cody will be an awesome situational player, we need a 3 down run stuffing mad dog from the planet nutsgolore

TheDeuce 04-20-2010 07:04 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Agree with that st thomas. Cody has proven that he doesn't have good enough stamina to play more than 2 plays in a row. I don't want to pay first round money to a guy who will play a fraction of our defensive snaps. I say we go BPA.

CantonLegend 04-20-2010 09:50 PM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 219443)
More importantly, can Cody do backflips?

YouTube- Terrence Cody Can Do a Backflip
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 219547)
Agree with that st thomas. Cody has proven that he doesn't have good enough stamina to play more than 2 plays in a row. I don't want to pay first round money to a guy who will play a fraction of our defensive snaps. I say we go BPA.

cody has the stamina to clog the middle no matter which play it is....he can stop them 2 plays before the pass rush comes in

he wont get a ton of sacks but the opportunities he makes for everyone else is well worth it

we paid first round money for a WR who had 12 catches in 2 years.....a DB who played mostly special teams.......a RB who isnt a running back......a DT who ate himself out of the league.......a DE who tried to do the same....a RB who was injured almost his entire career and is notorious for being a pothead

we are known for making risky picks......terrence cody has very little risk despite what many of you say

just because he is big it doesnt make him a risk

SaintPauly 04-21-2010 12:26 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
I wonder if Cody had gone to LSU, then the feelings for him might be slightly different? Just an observaton..... :)

strato 04-21-2010 12:31 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 219650)
I wonder if Cody had gone to LSU, then the feelings for him might be slightly different? Just an observaton..... :)

I have no doubt Cody should be the pick...the kid eats blockers {no pun intended} and stops the run better than anybody...I just worry about that conditioning...Now Canton i know you will disagree..but i think when he signs that mega deal..the pressure is off and the mouth opens..lol...If we did pick him ...i would be behind him 100% to stay in the best he can..but im just leary...

SaintPauly 04-21-2010 12:38 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
I'm still worried about Suh falling to the freaking Bucs! I don't want to have to face that monster twice a year, for the next ten years.

strato 04-21-2010 12:43 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 219656)
I'm still worried about Suh falling to the freaking Bucs! I don't want to have to face that monster twice a year, for the next ten years.

Like i posted in another thread 25...if i was the Rams i take Suh 1st and grab McCoy that 33rd pick...Easy Breezy...doesnt that make sense?

Pete 04-21-2010 12:48 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 219443)
More importantly, can Cody do backflips?

**** the only way he could mimic the motion of a back flip is on a rollercoaster in the zoo!!!

Pete 04-21-2010 12:52 AM

Re: Will Alabama's Cody be a mountain of a bust?
 
Maybe he can but we don't want him 10 plays a game!


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