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Sir Psycho Sexy 04-19-2010 03:49 PM

Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports that Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.

The catch is that Brown hasn't signed his restricted free agent tender, and must do so in order to be moved. He might also demand a multi-year extension from any team looking to acquire him. If Brown was dealt, the Saints could move forward with Jermon Bushrod and Zach Strief competing on Drew Brees' blind side. Free agent Flozell Adams might be another option.

LINK

TheEnigma 04-19-2010 04:08 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Time to initiate "Operation Get Albert Haynesworth"

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 04:13 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
lol

jeanpierre 04-19-2010 04:30 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheEnigma (Post 219163)
Time to initiate "Operation Get Albert Haynesworth"

I know the thinking, but here's the problem...

Saints 4-3 scheme needs a two-gap defensive tackle to maximize the abilities of Sedric Ellis (which I think was a mistake to move up and get - though I applaud the effort - I feel it was to save face with the failure of the Glenn Dorsey coup)...

Haynesworth is a three technique (one gap) defensive tackle in a really big body...

And then there's the attitude...

And then add the age...

I don't like Hayneworth at this stage, with those circumstances, for the Saints; I'd rather get a big body in R2-R4 to help Ellis in the middle...

voodooido 04-19-2010 04:59 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Proly a day 2 trade. I see a rd3 this year and maybe a rd2 next

nicebush25 04-19-2010 05:06 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Contract Information for Albert Haynesworth

2/27/2009: Signed a seven-year, $100 million contract. The deal contains $41 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and his 2009-2011 base salaries. Haynesworth is due a $29 million "poison pill" in 2013, effectively making it a four-year, $48.2 million deal. Another $15 million is available through incentives. 2010: $3.6 million (+ $21 million guaranteed option bonus due 4/1), 2011: $5.4 million, 2012: $6.7 million (+ $500,000 workout bonus), 2013: $8.5 million (+ $20 million "discretionary signing bonus" + $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31 = Poison Pill Year), 2014: $10.3 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31), 2015: $11.5 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31), 2016: Free Agent

nicebush25 04-19-2010 05:13 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
I dont think the saints will pony up that much cash for one player especially with Brees, Thomas and Evans looking for extensions plus trying to bring Sharper to the table

Sir Psycho Sexy 04-19-2010 05:23 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Haynesworth to the Saints will not happen. I'm not sure why people can't see all the reasons why. Money, age, baggage...they all apply.

MorningWood 04-19-2010 05:44 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nicebush25 (Post 219174)
Contract Information for Albert Haynesworth

2/27/2009: Signed a seven-year, $100 million contract. The deal contains $41 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and his 2009-2011 base salaries. Haynesworth is due a $29 million "poison pill" in 2013, effectively making it a four-year, $48.2 million deal. Another $15 million is available through incentives. 2010: $3.6 million (+ $21 million guaranteed option bonus due 4/1), 2011: $5.4 million, 2012: $6.7 million (+ $500,000 workout bonus), 2013: $8.5 million (+ $20 million "discretionary signing bonus" + $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31 = Poison Pill Year), 2014: $10.3 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31), 2015: $11.5 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus due 8/31), 2016: Free Agent


2010, 11, 12 all look good to me. (My understanding is the 21 million bonus has been paid).


I have no idea what the 2012 "discretionary signing bonus" is.

TheEnigma 04-19-2010 05:47 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy (Post 219181)
Haynesworth to the Saints will not happen. I'm not sure why people can't see all the reasons why. Money, age, baggage...they all apply.

I'm not sure why people still think that money is the problem, when it isn't.

saintfan 04-19-2010 05:55 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Too bad Matt Millen isn't still with the Lions. We could have traded him Brown for the #2 pick straight up.

:doh:

MatthewT 04-19-2010 06:10 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt Brown is really going anywhere. This time of the year all players, except Brees, is on the "trading block". Why in the world would the Saints be anxious to trade a two time pro bowl LT? My guess if someone thinks he is worth a 1st round pick, then maybe. Just don't see this one happening.

saintfan 04-19-2010 06:15 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
I dunno. I can see Sean saying to Brown, "OK big fella...don't let the door knob hit ya...and good luck with the Lions".

QBREES9 04-19-2010 06:16 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
I'm betting he'll be a cowboys soon.

VillainAgain 04-19-2010 06:42 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
The skins have paid all his guaranteed monies so far the contract is just a figure he would have never gotten the 100mil he signed for, just as the skins would have done when the time arises cut him take the hit and move on, his contract is almost as fat as he is but its back end loaded so we can get the most outta him for the time being and charles grant his ass when its time. Like I said b4 I dont think attitude is gonna be a problem with the Structure of the organization, Sean P won a damn super bowl!. what can u tell that man??? (Oh Shanny won 2 yes but he was fired and out of the game, i'm sure he saw him as a lame duck)

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 07:17 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy (Post 219160)
NFL Network's Jason La Canfora reports that Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.

The catch is that Brown hasn't signed his restricted free agent tender, and must do so in order to be moved. He might also demand a multi-year extension from any team looking to acquire him. If Brown was dealt, the Saints could move forward with Jermon Bushrod and Zach Strief competing on Drew Brees' blind side. Free agent Flozell Adams might be another option.

LINK

i remember this guy not being so accurate with his insider info

brown isnt going anywhere

foolish to think otherwise

Saint_LB 04-19-2010 07:22 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219228)
i remember this guy not being so accurate with his insider info

brown isnt going anywhere

foolish to think otherwise

C'mon...foolish? They won a SB without him? Not sayin' he's going anywhere...I just don't think it's foolish to think he might be.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 07:25 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint_LB (Post 219231)
C'mon...foolish? They won a SB without him? Not sayin' he's going anywhere...I just don't think it's foolish to think he might be.

i cannot stand that argument....."we won without him"

that doesnt make us a better team..that doesnt make bushrod better

the doesnt mean our offense was better......it definitly doesnt mean the LT position was better

we won a super bowl without all the players we are going to draft and without any player we might bring in through free agency.....so why should we even show up to the draft?

i hate that argument because it doesnt make sense.......so what if we won the super bowl without him.....we are a better team with him

FatCitySaint 04-19-2010 07:26 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
If Brown is sent packing....this will NOT be a good thing!!!! We can not rely on bushrod or strief!!!! We need a true starting LT!!!! Flozell(sp) is hurt a lot...but we will need him if we let brown go!

Also if brown is let go...I see this changing our draft big time!!!!!

Saint_LB 04-19-2010 07:29 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219232)
i cannot stand that argument....."we won without him"

that doesnt make us a better team..that doesnt make bushrod better

the doesnt mean our offense was better......it definitly doesnt mean the LT position was better

we won a super bowl without all the players we are going to draft and without any player we might bring in through free agency.....so why should we even show up to the draft?

i hate that argument because it doesnt make sense.......so what if we won the super bowl without him.....we are a better team with him

Here's how it makes sense. You're Mickey Loomis, and someone says, "OK...I'll give you the number one pick overall in the draft for JB."

I think the first thing that goes through your head is, "Well, we did win the SB without him."

FatCitySaint 04-19-2010 07:31 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint_LB (Post 219237)
Here's how it makes sense. You're Mickey Loomis, and someone says, "OK...I'll give you the number one pick overall in the draft for JB."

We will never get a high pick for him...this isn't Madden!!!! Some are saying the best we could hope is a 3rd this year and maybe a 2nd in next years draft!!!! That is not good enough my friend....that isn't going to cut it!!!

MorningWood 04-19-2010 07:34 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219228)
i remember this guy not being so accurate with his insider info

brown isnt going anywhere

foolish to think otherwise

I would be surprised if he is not gone by the end of the week.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FatCitySaint (Post 219236)
If Brown is sent packing....this will NOT be a good thing!!!! We can not rely on bushrod or strief!!!! We need a true starting LT!!!! Flozell(sp) is hurt a lot...but we will need him if we let brown go!

Also if brown is let go...I see this changing our draft big time!!!!!

I think you should buy a Bushrod jersey, he will more than likely be your starting LT.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 07:41 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MorningWood (Post 219240)
I would be surprised if he is not gone by the end of the week.

you want to see my shocked face?

http://nonfictionlover.today.com/fil...nkeys-face.jpg

.....its not going to happen...no suitors would give up something we need

MorningWood 04-19-2010 07:43 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
We could use another draft pick or two.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 07:45 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MorningWood (Post 219242)
We could use another draft pick or two.

not as much as we could use a pro bowl LT

draft picks are gambles and we most likely wouldnt be able to replace brown with any of the picks we gain

not worth trading if we dont have a viable backup option.....and bushrod is not the answer no matter how many times people say "we won the super bowl with him"

MorningWood 04-19-2010 07:49 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219243)
not as much as we could use a pro bowl LT

draft picks are gambles and we most likely wouldnt be able to replace brown with any of the picks we gain

not worth trading if we dont have a viable backup option.....and bushrod is not the answer no matter how many times people say "we won the super bowl with him"


Yeah, well I was responding to your statement that no one would give up something we need. I don't think we want to give him the big long term contract he is looking for and we don't want to let him walk next year as an UFA.

Make no mistake, the team is going to try to trade him this week.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 08:06 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MorningWood (Post 219244)
Yeah, well I was responding to your statement that no one would give up something we need. I don't think we want to give him the big long term contract he is looking for and we don't want to let him walk next year as an UFA.

Make no mistake, the team is going to try to trade him this week.

my point was that a draft pick is not as valuable as a proven pro bowl LT

we wont shop him despite this report that he is on the trading block....if anything it is being reported because of the contract discrepancy

however.....brown hasnt even signed his tender and cant even be traded until after he does that......many reports have him skipping offseason workouts because of the contract dispute so i cant see him signing the tender before the draft

MorningWood 04-19-2010 08:14 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Looking at it another way, he really is not in a contract dispute. He will sign his tender when the time is right to enable the trade to go through. Signing now would give away some (but not necessarily all) of his leverage in a trade.

As for not participating in OTA's, I think this is another sign he will be traded. You see this frequently with players who are about to be traded, I don't think he is "refusing" so much as he is participating in the effort to trade him. No one wants to risk an injury at this point.

This idea of Brown being traded did not orginate with the yahoo who wrote this article, in fact he is late to the party.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 08:17 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MorningWood (Post 219247)
Looking at it another way, he really is not in a contract dispute. He will sign his tender when the time is right to enable the trade to go through. Signing now would give away some (but not necessarily all) of his leverage in a trade.

As for not participating in OTA's, I think this is another sign he will be traded. You see this frequently with players who are about to be traded, I don't think he is "refusing" so much as he is participating in the effort to trade him. No one wants to risk an injury at this point.

This idea of Brown being traded did not orginate with the yahoo who wrote this article, in fact he is late to the party.

im in complete agreement with the last part

i dont think it is because he has "inside info".....i think the report is because brown is going to sit until he gets what he wants

i also believe its possible that he is waiting for a serious trade partner before he signs.....in this way he has some kind of say in who he may get traded to because he doesnt have to sign until he wants to

having said that......the saints understand the importance of talented offensive linemen as evidenced by the contract extension to jon stinchcomb and the talks with jahri evans

they know his value and understand that most teams will not give up what it takes to acquire such a talent

MorningWood 04-19-2010 08:23 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Tell you what -- if Brown is not traded (or a deal in place waiting approval) by the end of the week I will use the shocked monkey as my avatar. If he is trade, well you know the deal.

BTW, I agree that they may not find someone willing to pay fair value and their willingness (or non willingness) may be moot.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 08:24 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MorningWood (Post 219249)
Tell you what -- if Brown is not traded (or a deal in place waiting approval) by the end of the week I will use the shocked monkey as my avatar. If he is trade, well you know the deal.

BTW, I agree that they may not find someone willing to pay fair value and their willingness (or non willingness) may be moot.

sounds pretty fair to me

MorningWood 04-19-2010 08:28 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Now we just need to agree on a time period for keeping it up. Whatever you say tonight is good with me.

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 08:32 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MorningWood (Post 219251)
Now we just need to agree on a time period for keeping it up. Whatever you say tonight is good with me.

id say until june is good.....a months worth of that monkey is probably all i can handle lol

Rugby Saint II 04-19-2010 08:39 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Not reporting to camp.......not a good sign.

MorningWood 04-19-2010 08:39 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 219252)
id say until june is good.....a months worth of that monkey is probably all i can handle lol


Hah, deal.

Pete 04-19-2010 08:46 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Holding #70 drove me nuts!can't wait to see how we benefit for him!

CantonLegend 04-19-2010 08:47 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Repete (Post 219259)
Holding #70 drove me nuts!can't wait to see how we benefit for him!

happened a lot less than you think

strato 04-19-2010 08:49 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Bushrod !!!!...you know were building a dynasty...trade J.B...get some picks ...

Pete 04-19-2010 08:53 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Just always seemed to be at a crucial time

strato 04-19-2010 08:55 PM

Re: Report: Saints LT Jammal Brown is on the trading block.
 
Yeah he's a hold waiting to happen..lol


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