TE Jimmy Graham

poydras · 04-23-2010, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Fujita will be replaced by Dunbar or Arnoux. One will back up the other. The fact is teams pass to play catch up on us so much that LB is not as important as DB's for us. You can't have a star at every position. I wouldn't mind seeing another DT on the roster. We have Hargrove, Big Sed, Clancy, and Ayodele. Maybe we draft Al Woods/Cam Thomas type to compete for spot.

Both Dunbar and Arnoux are middle linebackers. Neither have the tools to play outside.

D_it_up · 04-23-2010, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

Both Dunbar and Arnoux are middle linebackers. Neither have the tools to play outside.

Wrong about Arnoux:

COLLEGE CAREER – A three-year starter at Wake Forest, Arnoux opened 42 of 51 games for the Demon Deacons at middle linebacker and is considered by scouts versatile enough to also play on the outside in the NFL. He was extremely productive throughout his college career, annually ranking among the team leaders in tackles. He posted 245 stops, five sacks, three interceptions, four fumble recoveries and six deflected passes while at Wake Forest. Arnoux started 39 of his final 40 collegiate contests and averaged seven tackles a game as a senior.

Wrong about Dunbar:

NFL CAREER – The lone undrafted rookie free agent to start the season on the club’s active roster in 2008, Dunbar has proven his worth with his inspired play on special teams, where he has recorded 28 special teams tackles in two seasons. He has also started five games at strongside linebacker during his tenure with the Saints, recording 23 tackles and three passes defensed

poydras · 04-23-2010, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

Wrong about Arnoux:

COLLEGE CAREER – A three-year starter at Wake Forest, Arnoux opened 42 of 51 games for the Demon Deacons at middle linebacker and is considered by scouts versatile enough to also play on the outside in the NFL. He was extremely productive throughout his college career, annually ranking among the team leaders in tackles. He posted 245 stops, five sacks, three interceptions, four fumble recoveries and six deflected passes while at Wake Forest. Arnoux started 39 of his final 40 collegiate contests and averaged seven tackles a game as a senior.

Wrong about Dunbar:

NFL CAREER – The lone undrafted rookie free agent to start the season on the club’s active roster in 2008, Dunbar has proven his worth with his inspired play on special teams, where he has recorded 28 special teams tackles in two seasons. He has also started five games at strongside linebacker during his tenure with the Saints, recording 23 tackles and three passes defensed

oh yeah?
Arnoux: "Shorter than scouts would like and a bit round in the middle. … Lacks the instincts and quick first step preferred at the "Mike" 'backer position. … Takes a moment to recognize the action and is slow to flow toward the ball. … Lacks the straight-line speed to beat backs to the flanks and is a liability in coverage. … Lacks the lateral agility to consistently get around blockers in tight quarters, thus relying on his pop to disengage. … Needs an open lane to close when rushing the quarterback."

and Dunbar: "Has good closing speed, but lacks the lateral range or blazing speed to play on the outside "

stockman311 · 04-23-2010, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

oh yeah?
Arnoux: "Shorter than scouts would like and a bit round in the middle. … Lacks the instincts and quick first step preferred at the "Mike" 'backer position. … Takes a moment to recognize the action and is slow to flow toward the ball. … Lacks the straight-line speed to beat backs to the flanks and is a liability in coverage. … Lacks the lateral agility to consistently get around blockers in tight quarters, thus relying on his pop to disengage. … Needs an open lane to close when rushing the quarterback."

and Dunbar: "Has good closing speed, but lacks the lateral range or blazing speed to play on the outside "

So your claiming Arnoux is a middle linebacker by posting a scouting report saying he can't play middle linebacker? You understand "Mike" means middle right?

Dunbar has already played outside when Fujita went down last year.

D_it_up · 04-23-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

So your claiming Arnoux is a middle linebacker by posting a scouting report saying he can't play middle linebacker?

I was wondering that myself. Big contradiction there.

D_it_up · 04-23-2010, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by poydras

oh yeah?
Arnoux: "Shorter than scouts would like and a bit round in the middle. … Lacks the instincts and quick first step preferred at the "Mike" 'backer position. … Takes a moment to recognize the action and is slow to flow toward the ball. … Lacks the straight-line speed to beat backs to the flanks and is a liability in coverage. … Lacks the lateral agility to consistently get around blockers in tight quarters, thus relying on his pop to disengage. … Needs an open lane to close when rushing the quarterback."

and Dunbar: "Has good closing speed, but lacks the lateral range or blazing speed to play on the outside "

Oh, yeah. Dunbar has not played a single down at middle linebacker since he's been in the NFL. Every snap he's been in on defense has been on the outside, so you are wrong about him.

Arnoux hasn't seen the field, so neither one of us can honestly evaluate whether he can or can't play the outside. Scouting reports are always conflicting, because it depends on who the scout that is evaluating the player. So, since that is the case, we are both wrong until we see where he is put on the field.

04-23-2010, 10:42 PM	#1
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by stockman311 Fujita will be replaced by Dunbar or Arnoux. One will back up the other. The fact is teams pass to play catch up on us so much that LB is not as important as DB's for us. You can't have a star at every position. I wouldn't mind seeing another DT on the roster. We have Hargrove, Big Sed, Clancy, and Ayodele. Maybe we draft Al Woods/Cam Thomas type to compete for spot. Both Dunbar and Arnoux are middle linebackers. Neither have the tools to play outside.

04-23-2010, 10:54 PM	#2
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by poydras Both Dunbar and Arnoux are middle linebackers. Neither have the tools to play outside. Wrong about Arnoux: COLLEGE CAREER – A three-year starter at Wake Forest, Arnoux opened 42 of 51 games for the Demon Deacons at middle linebacker and is considered by scouts versatile enough to also play on the outside in the NFL. He was extremely productive throughout his college career, annually ranking among the team leaders in tackles. He posted 245 stops, five sacks, three interceptions, four fumble recoveries and six deflected passes while at Wake Forest. Arnoux started 39 of his final 40 collegiate contests and averaged seven tackles a game as a senior. Wrong about Dunbar: NFL CAREER – The lone undrafted rookie free agent to start the season on the club’s active roster in 2008, Dunbar has proven his worth with his inspired play on special teams, where he has recorded 28 special teams tackles in two seasons. He has also started five games at strongside linebacker during his tenure with the Saints, recording 23 tackles and three passes defensed

04-23-2010, 10:57 PM	#3
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by D_it_up Wrong about Arnoux: COLLEGE CAREER – A three-year starter at Wake Forest, Arnoux opened 42 of 51 games for the Demon Deacons at middle linebacker and is considered by scouts versatile enough to also play on the outside in the NFL. He was extremely productive throughout his college career, annually ranking among the team leaders in tackles. He posted 245 stops, five sacks, three interceptions, four fumble recoveries and six deflected passes while at Wake Forest. Arnoux started 39 of his final 40 collegiate contests and averaged seven tackles a game as a senior. Wrong about Dunbar: NFL CAREER – The lone undrafted rookie free agent to start the season on the club’s active roster in 2008, Dunbar has proven his worth with his inspired play on special teams, where he has recorded 28 special teams tackles in two seasons. He has also started five games at strongside linebacker during his tenure with the Saints, recording 23 tackles and three passes defensed oh yeah? Arnoux: "Shorter than scouts would like and a bit round in the middle. … Lacks the instincts and quick first step preferred at the "Mike" 'backer position. … Takes a moment to recognize the action and is slow to flow toward the ball. … Lacks the straight-line speed to beat backs to the flanks and is a liability in coverage. … Lacks the lateral agility to consistently get around blockers in tight quarters, thus relying on his pop to disengage. … Needs an open lane to close when rushing the quarterback." and Dunbar: "Has good closing speed, but lacks the lateral range or blazing speed to play on the outside "

04-23-2010, 11:06 PM	#4
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by poydras oh yeah? Arnoux: "Shorter than scouts would like and a bit round in the middle. … Lacks the instincts and quick first step preferred at the "Mike" 'backer position. … Takes a moment to recognize the action and is slow to flow toward the ball. … Lacks the straight-line speed to beat backs to the flanks and is a liability in coverage. … Lacks the lateral agility to consistently get around blockers in tight quarters, thus relying on his pop to disengage. … Needs an open lane to close when rushing the quarterback." and Dunbar: "Has good closing speed, but lacks the lateral range or blazing speed to play on the outside " So your claiming Arnoux is a middle linebacker by posting a scouting report saying he can't play middle linebacker? You understand "Mike" means middle right? Dunbar has already played outside when Fujita went down last year.
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04-23-2010, 11:09 PM	#5
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by stockman311 So your claiming Arnoux is a middle linebacker by posting a scouting report saying he can't play middle linebacker? I was wondering that myself. Big contradiction there.

04-23-2010, 11:08 PM	#6
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: TE Jimmy Graham Originally Posted by poydras oh yeah? Arnoux: "Shorter than scouts would like and a bit round in the middle. … Lacks the instincts and quick first step preferred at the "Mike" 'backer position. … Takes a moment to recognize the action and is slow to flow toward the ball. … Lacks the straight-line speed to beat backs to the flanks and is a liability in coverage. … Lacks the lateral agility to consistently get around blockers in tight quarters, thus relying on his pop to disengage. … Needs an open lane to close when rushing the quarterback." and Dunbar: "Has good closing speed, but lacks the lateral range or blazing speed to play on the outside " Oh, yeah. Dunbar has not played a single down at middle linebacker since he's been in the NFL. Every snap he's been in on defense has been on the outside, so you are wrong about him. Arnoux hasn't seen the field, so neither one of us can honestly evaluate whether he can or can't play the outside. Scouting reports are always conflicting, because it depends on who the scout that is evaluating the player. So, since that is the case, we are both wrong until we see where he is put on the field.

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