FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only)

Sir Psycho Sexy · 04-23-2010, 11:11 PM

What happened to beefing up the D??? We were ranked number 1 on offense, 25th on D. We can't count on as many INTs as we had last season. A lot of those happened in the first half of the season with Sharper being the guy who made them. He may not even be with the team at this point and if he is there is no promise he can repeat the 2009 season.

I could deal with Robinson the DB, but our OL is solid with or without Jamal. (I'd rather keep Jamal) Charles Brown won't be an impact player his first year, so why not wait and draft an OL in the later rounds, since it will take time to develop him anyway?

And a TE that has played only ONE year of Football, and had 17 catches? I mean we have Shockey, Thomas who was just as much a play-maker as Shockey, and Miller should be healthy this season.

I know some will say it's dumb to question a SB winning staff, but I think we missed a great opportunity in the first 3 rounds to really get some play makers on D.

As of now, we may have addressed the DE depth with the 2 we signed in FA...but what about getting gashed up the middle by power running teams? What about adding speed to our LB corps that's already a lil slow? Arnoux is ONE guy - who hasn't played a down and for all we know could be injury prone.

BY no means do I think we can't win the SOUTH or the ship is sinking, i'm just saying we lost out on a great chance to beef up our D with all the talent that was in the first 3 rounds. There is still talent left, but man we let some top guys at needed positions go. My response so far ..... o_0?

hitta · 04-23-2010, 11:14 PM

Not quite sure yet, the FO may know something we don't. But if they don't have plans you are right.

Sir Psycho Sexy · 04-23-2010, 11:22 PM

I'm also curious what Gregg Williams thinks of the picks.

papz · 04-23-2010, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy

I'm also curious what Gregg Williams thinks of the picks.

I'm sure he had a say when it came to drafting Robinson for his defense. I also heard Williams mention somewhere that he's not a big fan of tweeners... so guys like Kindle wouldn't have been a good choice for his scheme.

I can swallow my tounge and see the point in drafting Robinson, but not Brown and Graham (not in the 2nd & 3rd rounds anyway). There are GAPING holes in the Defensive line (pun intended) that need to be addressed first, before we go picking up project players.

What are these gaping holes along the defensive line? Right now we have Brown and Smith at DE and our promising young Ellis at DT. If there is a gaping hole, it's next to him... and that still can be addressed with our other picks and/or free agency.

21Hilliard · 04-24-2010, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by papz

What are these gaping holes along the defensive line? Right now we have Brown and Smith at DE and our promising young Ellis at DT. If there is a gaping hole, it's next to him... and that still can be addressed with our other picks and/or free agency.

Exactly. Every time we got run over, it mostly came from the middle. Ellis only played in 10 games last season, and I seem to recall some of those 6 missed games were due to injury. What did we have to back him up? Not much. 4 of the games Ellis missed? ATL (Turner 151 yards) CAR ( Williams 149) TPA (119) and STL (Jackson 131). Our LBs were having to make way too many tackles in those games.

I understand that Brown was a good value at #64, and he'll probably be playing the last 4-5 years of Drew's career, and after that with our next QB. But unless they let Greg Williams teach him to line up and tackle the guy running at the defense with the ball, he's not helping to solve a problem.

I just hope there's another Colston-type sleeper masquerading as a DT in the 4-7 rounds who nobody talks about but turns out to be a phenomenal player on the D line.

foreverfan · 04-23-2010, 11:32 PM

The FO is preparing for being able to protect Brees.
We win with offense in the SP era.

21Hilliard · 04-23-2010, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy

...but what about getting gashed up the middle by power running teams?

I agree. Look at the division - ATL, CAR and TPA (to a lesser extent), and all have running backs who pretty much shredded us on the ground last season.

This year, we also play late-season away games in cold weather -- Cincinnati and Baltimore in December. Cinci won the AFC north last year. How? By playing old school Chuck Knox Steeler football -- RUNNING the ball. I Don't follow Balt much, but I remember seeing some of a playoff game, they had a horse in the backfield.

That's 8 games - half the season right there - against strong running teams.

SF drafted to improve their O line, and until they sort out a quarterback, all they HAVE is a running game, and still ended up 8-8.

Vikings had us figured out in the Championship game and are going to stuff the ball down our throats, as long as they can keep from fumbling it away.

Dallas has two backs that can run the ball too, Barber and the other guy.

I can swallow my tounge and see the point in drafting Robinson, but not Brown and Graham (not in the 2nd & 3rd rounds anyway). There are GAPING holes in the Defensive line (pun intended) that need to be addressed first, before we go picking up project players.

But that's just my $0.02.

Sir Psycho Sexy · 04-24-2010, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by 21Hilliard

I agree. Look at the division - ATL, CAR and TPA (to a lesser extent), and all have running backs who pretty much shredded us on the ground last season.

This year, we also play late-season away games in cold weather -- Cincinnati and Baltimore in December. Cinci won the AFC north last year. How? By playing old school Chuck Knox Steeler football -- RUNNING the ball. I Don't follow Balt much, but I remember seeing some of a playoff game, they had a horse in the backfield.

That's 8 games - half the season right there - against strong running teams.

SF drafted to improve their O line, and until they sort out a quarterback, all they HAVE is a running game, and still ended up 8-8.

Vikings had us figured out in the Championship game and are going to stuff the ball down our throats, as long as they can keep from fumbling it away.

Dallas has two backs that can run the ball too, Barber and the other guy.

I can swallow my tounge and see the point in drafting Robinson, but not Brown and Graham (not in the 2nd & 3rd rounds anyway). There are GAPING holes in the Defensive line (pun intended) that need to be addressed first, before we go picking up project players.

But that's just my $0.02.

Yup. EXACTLY my concern when I was looking at our schedule before the draft.

Memnoch_TP · 04-24-2010, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by 21Hilliard

I agree. Look at the division - ATL, CAR and TPA (to a lesser extent), and all have running backs who pretty much shredded us on the ground last season.

This year, we also play late-season away games in cold weather -- Cincinnati and Baltimore in December. Cinci won the AFC north last year. How? By playing old school Chuck Knox Steeler football -- RUNNING the ball. I Don't follow Balt much, but I remember seeing some of a playoff game, they had a horse in the backfield.

That's 8 games - half the season right there - against strong running teams.

SF drafted to improve their O line, and until they sort out a quarterback, all they HAVE is a running game, and still ended up 8-8.

Vikings had us figured out in the Championship game and are going to stuff the ball down our throats, as long as they can keep from fumbling it away.

Dallas has two backs that can run the ball too, Barber and the other guy.

I can swallow my tounge and see the point in drafting Robinson, but not Brown and Graham (not in the 2nd & 3rd rounds anyway). There are GAPING holes in the Defensive line (pun intended) that need to be addressed first, before we go picking up project players.

But that's just my $0.02.

True, our division opponents got a lot of yards on the ground against us.

And lost 4 out of 6 games anyway. One of the wins we just kind of took the 2nd half off, and the other we didn't play our starters at all. Then we won the Super Bowl.

Oh noes! How will we ever win with our division teams running at us? For the answer to this question, go back and watch last year's games.

Also, is it written in stone that there is no way our run defense can improve outside of the first 3 rounds of the draft? Is that it? No players we can trade for, no gems our great personnel department can get from late rounds or undrafted FAs? No, it's okay, I'm just scaring you. We can indeed improve the run defense without using a high draft pick for it. So, there are still options.

So... We have upgraded at offensive line, and upgraded the secondary, and can still upgrade the run D, all on a team that just won the Super Bowl with the aforementioned run vulnerabilities. This is not "The Sky is falling" time yet. Really. It's not. No "oh noes".

hagan714 · 04-23-2010, 11:51 PM

what the @#%^&*()(*&^%$#@@$%^&*()()__(*&^%$@@!!

04-23-2010, 11:11 PM	#1
Sir Psycho Sexy Moderator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA - Behind enemy lines. Someone throw me a grenade!! Posts: 941	FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) What happened to beefing up the D??? We were ranked number 1 on offense, 25th on D. We can't count on as many INTs as we had last season. A lot of those happened in the first half of the season with Sharper being the guy who made them. He may not even be with the team at this point and if he is there is no promise he can repeat the 2009 season. I could deal with Robinson the DB, but our OL is solid with or without Jamal. (I'd rather keep Jamal) Charles Brown won't be an impact player his first year, so why not wait and draft an OL in the later rounds, since it will take time to develop him anyway? And a TE that has played only ONE year of Football, and had 17 catches? I mean we have Shockey, Thomas who was just as much a play-maker as Shockey, and Miller should be healthy this season. I know some will say it's dumb to question a SB winning staff, but I think we missed a great opportunity in the first 3 rounds to really get some play makers on D. As of now, we may have addressed the DE depth with the 2 we signed in FA...but what about getting gashed up the middle by power running teams? What about adding speed to our LB corps that's already a lil slow? Arnoux is ONE guy - who hasn't played a down and for all we know could be injury prone. BY no means do I think we can't win the SOUTH or the ship is sinking, i'm just saying we lost out on a great chance to beef up our D with all the talent that was in the first 3 rounds. There is still talent left, but man we let some top guys at needed positions go. My response so far ..... o_0?
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04-23-2010, 11:14 PM	#2
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) Not quite sure yet, the FO may know something we don't. But if they don't have plans you are right.
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04-23-2010, 11:22 PM	#3
Sir Psycho Sexy Moderator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA - Behind enemy lines. Someone throw me a grenade!! Posts: 941	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) I'm also curious what Gregg Williams thinks of the picks.

04-23-2010, 11:49 PM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy I'm also curious what Gregg Williams thinks of the picks. I'm sure he had a say when it came to drafting Robinson for his defense. I also heard Williams mention somewhere that he's not a big fan of tweeners... so guys like Kindle wouldn't have been a good choice for his scheme. I can swallow my tounge and see the point in drafting Robinson, but not Brown and Graham (not in the 2nd & 3rd rounds anyway). There are GAPING holes in the Defensive line (pun intended) that need to be addressed first, before we go picking up project players. What are these gaping holes along the defensive line? Right now we have Brown and Smith at DE and our promising young Ellis at DT. If there is a gaping hole, it's next to him... and that still can be addressed with our other picks and/or free agency.
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04-24-2010, 01:04 AM	#5
21Hilliard 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Raised on the Bayou - living in DFW Posts: 136	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) Originally Posted by papz What are these gaping holes along the defensive line? Right now we have Brown and Smith at DE and our promising young Ellis at DT. If there is a gaping hole, it's next to him... and that still can be addressed with our other picks and/or free agency. Exactly. Every time we got run over, it mostly came from the middle. Ellis only played in 10 games last season, and I seem to recall some of those 6 missed games were due to injury. What did we have to back him up? Not much. 4 of the games Ellis missed? ATL (Turner 151 yards) CAR ( Williams 149) TPA (119) and STL (Jackson 131). Our LBs were having to make way too many tackles in those games. I understand that Brown was a good value at #64, and he'll probably be playing the last 4-5 years of Drew's career, and after that with our next QB. But unless they let Greg Williams teach him to line up and tackle the guy running at the defense with the ball, he's not helping to solve a problem. I just hope there's another Colston-type sleeper masquerading as a DT in the 4-7 rounds who nobody talks about but turns out to be a phenomenal player on the D line.
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04-23-2010, 11:32 PM	#6
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) The FO is preparing for being able to protect Brees. We win with offense in the SP era.

04-23-2010, 11:41 PM	#7
21Hilliard 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Raised on the Bayou - living in DFW Posts: 136	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) Originally Posted by Sir Psycho Sexy ...but what about getting gashed up the middle by power running teams? I agree. Look at the division - ATL, CAR and TPA (to a lesser extent), and all have running backs who pretty much shredded us on the ground last season. This year, we also play late-season away games in cold weather -- Cincinnati and Baltimore in December. Cinci won the AFC north last year. How? By playing old school Chuck Knox Steeler football -- RUNNING the ball. I Don't follow Balt much, but I remember seeing some of a playoff game, they had a horse in the backfield. That's 8 games - half the season right there - against strong running teams. SF drafted to improve their O line, and until they sort out a quarterback, all they HAVE is a running game, and still ended up 8-8. Vikings had us figured out in the Championship game and are going to stuff the ball down our throats, as long as they can keep from fumbling it away. Dallas has two backs that can run the ball too, Barber and the other guy. I can swallow my tounge and see the point in drafting Robinson, but not Brown and Graham (not in the 2nd & 3rd rounds anyway). There are GAPING holes in the Defensive line (pun intended) that need to be addressed first, before we go picking up project players. But that's just my $0.02.
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04-24-2010, 12:14 AM	#8
Sir Psycho Sexy Moderator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA - Behind enemy lines. Someone throw me a grenade!! Posts: 941	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) Originally Posted by 21Hilliard I agree. Look at the division - ATL, CAR and TPA (to a lesser extent), and all have running backs who pretty much shredded us on the ground last season. This year, we also play late-season away games in cold weather -- Cincinnati and Baltimore in December. Cinci won the AFC north last year. How? By playing old school Chuck Knox Steeler football -- RUNNING the ball. I Don't follow Balt much, but I remember seeing some of a playoff game, they had a horse in the backfield. That's 8 games - half the season right there - against strong running teams. SF drafted to improve their O line, and until they sort out a quarterback, all they HAVE is a running game, and still ended up 8-8. Vikings had us figured out in the Championship game and are going to stuff the ball down our throats, as long as they can keep from fumbling it away. Dallas has two backs that can run the ball too, Barber and the other guy. I can swallow my tounge and see the point in drafting Robinson, but not Brown and Graham (not in the 2nd & 3rd rounds anyway). There are GAPING holes in the Defensive line (pun intended) that need to be addressed first, before we go picking up project players. But that's just my $0.02. Yup. EXACTLY my concern when I was looking at our schedule before the draft.

04-24-2010, 05:32 AM	#9
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) Originally Posted by 21Hilliard I agree. Look at the division - ATL, CAR and TPA (to a lesser extent), and all have running backs who pretty much shredded us on the ground last season. This year, we also play late-season away games in cold weather -- Cincinnati and Baltimore in December. Cinci won the AFC north last year. How? By playing old school Chuck Knox Steeler football -- RUNNING the ball. I Don't follow Balt much, but I remember seeing some of a playoff game, they had a horse in the backfield. That's 8 games - half the season right there - against strong running teams. SF drafted to improve their O line, and until they sort out a quarterback, all they HAVE is a running game, and still ended up 8-8. Vikings had us figured out in the Championship game and are going to stuff the ball down our throats, as long as they can keep from fumbling it away. Dallas has two backs that can run the ball too, Barber and the other guy. I can swallow my tounge and see the point in drafting Robinson, but not Brown and Graham (not in the 2nd & 3rd rounds anyway). There are GAPING holes in the Defensive line (pun intended) that need to be addressed first, before we go picking up project players. But that's just my $0.02. True, our division opponents got a lot of yards on the ground against us. And lost 4 out of 6 games anyway. One of the wins we just kind of took the 2nd half off, and the other we didn't play our starters at all. Then we won the Super Bowl. Oh noes! How will we ever win with our division teams running at us? For the answer to this question, go back and watch last year's games. Also, is it written in stone that there is no way our run defense can improve outside of the first 3 rounds of the draft? Is that it? No players we can trade for, no gems our great personnel department can get from late rounds or undrafted FAs? No, it's okay, I'm just scaring you. We can indeed improve the run defense without using a high draft pick for it. So, there are still options. So... We have upgraded at offensive line, and upgraded the secondary, and can still upgrade the run D, all on a team that just won the Super Bowl with the aforementioned run vulnerabilities. This is not "The Sky is falling" time yet. Really. It's not. No "oh noes".
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04-23-2010, 11:51 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: FO Blew a Great Opportunity. (My Opinion Only) what the @#%^&()(&^%$#@@$%^&()()__(&^%$@@!!