Brooks time is up

browncow · 09-29-2003, 01:22 PM

I'm sick and tired of seeing Aaron Brooks laugh after all the poor plays he makes, there is a difference between laughing from frustration and laughing just to laugh. He is clearly not frustrated, because when one laughs due to frustration, you can see the anger in their expression, his expression is "I wonder if my fidelity accounts are up or not?" or perhaps, "did i leave the iron on?" I'm not looking for Elie Manning but we need a qb that can win, and can lead, he can do neither, even wuerffel can beat Manning (never lost to him actually). Please comment, and do not be immature and say I am stupid. Regards.

lumm0x · 09-29-2003, 02:19 PM

I have always hated it when Brooks or any other QB laughs after a pick or when he\'s getting beat, just like I hate it when a coach claps when the other team scores. It drives me nuts. But I will say this about Brooks. In the 4 games this year, when it got out of hand last night was the first time I\'ve seen Brooks look like less of a team leader. I\'ve commented on how he seems more focused, less carefree, and more involved in trying to encourage his teammates. When it got past the point of no return last night, yes, he broke down. I believe he is truly taking it seriously this season, basing that strictly on his attitude and face in the game, but I also don\'t believe he\'s a write off. We basically have two choices, and that is either change the way we play the game (ie. coaches, coordinators, or schemes) or change the players that play the game. I can\'t honestly say that I believe Bouman or any other alternative this season will turn it around. It is strictly my opinion that we need to change the style of offense we are running. We have personnel who excel in certain aspects of the game and we are not playing them to where their strengths lie. I know WhoDat will agree and Billy will disagree that we have some square pegs trying to fit into round holes of our scheme. We need to square the holes to make this work. Perhaps it simply worked last year because people never planned to see the square pegs try to fit the round holes. I don\'t know.

Defense is a different story. That looks like a jigsaw puzzle with missing pieces, no picture to reference, and a blind man trying to put it together. I just can\'t explain how a defensive minded coach that has made a living in this league being innovative on defense can let it get to this level. When Sean Payton was crapping it up in NY, Fassell took the helm and righted the ship. Not that I like Fassell either, but there was my point. Take the blame, challenge the players and prove that you will lead them.

Brooks is a piece of the problem. One of the many, many problems. He\'s not the biggest problem and he\'s not the smallest. You can\'t lay the blame on a single player. It has to be a trickle down effect starting with the coaching staff.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-29-2003, 02:46 PM

LummOx --

So far I would say that Deuce has had a simular year to Brooks? Last week Duece had no room to run and looked terrible. This week Brooks had no time to throw the ball and he looked bad. What\'s the common denominator in this?? The OFFENSIVE LINE !! It\'s an old chiche to say that it all starts up front but a very true one. I watched 3 games yesterday and the QB\'s that had pressure in their face all day had problems.

You can change schemes, coaches, and QB\'s, but until the offensive line keeps the pressure off the QB, there are going to be problems !! This offensive line has been changed around every year and it has finially caught up with Haslett and this team. While anyone can question whether Brooks is the QB to run a west coast offense, there is little doubt that anyone who was behind this offensive line would be under a tremendous pass rush.

saintz08 · 09-29-2003, 03:33 PM

Billy ,

If one of those games you were watching was the Carolina game , you would have heard the announcer comment on the pregame interview he had with the ofensive line .The lineman commented how the give it there all on every play and go the extra mile because they believe the offense and Stephan Davis can get it done .

Bring to light what another poster wrote :

--Eventually coming down on Turley for attempting to lead his team and light a fire under Brooks, who was backpeddling into the outside rush repeatedly. Turley lectured Brooks repeatedly on the sideline after screw-ups. Haslett determined that Turley was over-shadowing his deisgnated \"leader.\" Don\'t kid yourselves. This is why Turley was shipped out. Haslett wnted the whole team made safe for Aaron Brooks and Brooks was uncomfortable with Turley.

What does the front line believe now ????

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-29-2003, 03:47 PM

Who wrote that article 08?? Just curious...

saintz08 · 09-29-2003, 04:24 PM

Bring to light what another poster wrote :

Not an article , just the view points of another poster .

The Brooks and Turley issues were seen plain as day by quite a few fans . In fact I think it was a home game that Turley blew up at Brooks .

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-29-2003, 04:30 PM

I was told by JoeSam not to be posting stuff written by other people without giving credit to them. Who was this poster and at what site. I would like to go back and read some of his other posts to see if he might have an agenda like some other posters I know....

pakowitz · 09-29-2003, 04:35 PM

F*ck it... cut everybody!!

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-29-2003, 04:40 PM

LOL... I hear ya Pak !! That\'s about the way I feel today. Micahael Lewis looks bad this year too. I don\'t even know how that is possible. This doesn\'t even look like the same team.

deadflatbird · 09-29-2003, 04:40 PM

The problem is not with Aaron Brooks nor Deuce. The problem lies with the Offensive line. They are missing blocks and standing around watching the play. YOU block and look for someone else to block until the you here that whistle.

Defense the problem is not only with the injuries but with the coaching. Venturi has not have had a good game plan yet. Haveing Thomas chase down Harrison isn\'t going to cut it high school nor the pro\'s. You can have all the talent in the world but if you can\'t put the talent where it in the right situation then the talent is no good to you. We need to fire his ass/demote him whatever and get Dave camp in.

For selfish reasons I am on the badwagon to bring in Eli... trading away brooks for picks???

09-29-2003, 01:22 PM	#1
browncow Rookie Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1	Brooks time is up I'm sick and tired of seeing Aaron Brooks laugh after all the poor plays he makes, there is a difference between laughing from frustration and laughing just to laugh. He is clearly not frustrated, because when one laughs due to frustration, you can see the anger in their expression, his expression is "I wonder if my fidelity accounts are up or not?" or perhaps, "did i leave the iron on?" I'm not looking for Elie Manning but we need a qb that can win, and can lead, he can do neither, even wuerffel can beat Manning (never lost to him actually). Please comment, and do not be immature and say I am stupid. Regards.
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09-29-2003, 02:19 PM	#2
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Brooks time is up I have always hated it when Brooks or any other QB laughs after a pick or when he\'s getting beat, just like I hate it when a coach claps when the other team scores. It drives me nuts. But I will say this about Brooks. In the 4 games this year, when it got out of hand last night was the first time I\'ve seen Brooks look like less of a team leader. I\'ve commented on how he seems more focused, less carefree, and more involved in trying to encourage his teammates. When it got past the point of no return last night, yes, he broke down. I believe he is truly taking it seriously this season, basing that strictly on his attitude and face in the game, but I also don\'t believe he\'s a write off. We basically have two choices, and that is either change the way we play the game (ie. coaches, coordinators, or schemes) or change the players that play the game. I can\'t honestly say that I believe Bouman or any other alternative this season will turn it around. It is strictly my opinion that we need to change the style of offense we are running. We have personnel who excel in certain aspects of the game and we are not playing them to where their strengths lie. I know WhoDat will agree and Billy will disagree that we have some square pegs trying to fit into round holes of our scheme. We need to square the holes to make this work. Perhaps it simply worked last year because people never planned to see the square pegs try to fit the round holes. I don\'t know. Defense is a different story. That looks like a jigsaw puzzle with missing pieces, no picture to reference, and a blind man trying to put it together. I just can\'t explain how a defensive minded coach that has made a living in this league being innovative on defense can let it get to this level. When Sean Payton was crapping it up in NY, Fassell took the helm and righted the ship. Not that I like Fassell either, but there was my point. Take the blame, challenge the players and prove that you will lead them. Brooks is a piece of the problem. One of the many, many problems. He\'s not the biggest problem and he\'s not the smallest. You can\'t lay the blame on a single player. It has to be a trickle down effect starting with the coaching staff.

09-29-2003, 02:46 PM	#3
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks time is up LummOx -- So far I would say that Deuce has had a simular year to Brooks? Last week Duece had no room to run and looked terrible. This week Brooks had no time to throw the ball and he looked bad. What\'s the common denominator in this?? The OFFENSIVE LINE !! It\'s an old chiche to say that it all starts up front but a very true one. I watched 3 games yesterday and the QB\'s that had pressure in their face all day had problems. You can change schemes, coaches, and QB\'s, but until the offensive line keeps the pressure off the QB, there are going to be problems !! This offensive line has been changed around every year and it has finially caught up with Haslett and this team. While anyone can question whether Brooks is the QB to run a west coast offense, there is little doubt that anyone who was behind this offensive line would be under a tremendous pass rush.
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09-29-2003, 03:33 PM	#4
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Brooks time is up Billy , If one of those games you were watching was the Carolina game , you would have heard the announcer comment on the pregame interview he had with the ofensive line .The lineman commented how the give it there all on every play and go the extra mile because they believe the offense and Stephan Davis can get it done . Bring to light what another poster wrote : --Eventually coming down on Turley for attempting to lead his team and light a fire under Brooks, who was backpeddling into the outside rush repeatedly. Turley lectured Brooks repeatedly on the sideline after screw-ups. Haslett determined that Turley was over-shadowing his deisgnated \"leader.\" Don\'t kid yourselves. This is why Turley was shipped out. Haslett wnted the whole team made safe for Aaron Brooks and Brooks was uncomfortable with Turley. What does the front line believe now ????
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

09-29-2003, 03:47 PM	#5
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks time is up Who wrote that article 08?? Just curious...
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09-29-2003, 04:24 PM	#6
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Brooks time is up Bring to light what another poster wrote : Not an article , just the view points of another poster . The Brooks and Turley issues were seen plain as day by quite a few fans . In fact I think it was a home game that Turley blew up at Brooks .
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09-29-2003, 04:30 PM	#7
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks time is up I was told by JoeSam not to be posting stuff written by other people without giving credit to them. Who was this poster and at what site. I would like to go back and read some of his other posts to see if he might have an agenda like some other posters I know....
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09-29-2003, 04:35 PM	#8
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Brooks time is up F*ck it... cut everybody!!

09-29-2003, 04:40 PM	#9
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Brooks time is up LOL... I hear ya Pak !! That\'s about the way I feel today. Micahael Lewis looks bad this year too. I don\'t even know how that is possible. This doesn\'t even look like the same team.
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09-29-2003, 04:40 PM	#10
deadflatbird 100th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 255	Brooks time is up The problem is not with Aaron Brooks nor Deuce. The problem lies with the Offensive line. They are missing blocks and standing around watching the play. YOU block and look for someone else to block until the you here that whistle. Defense the problem is not only with the injuries but with the coaching. Venturi has not have had a good game plan yet. Haveing Thomas chase down Harrison isn\'t going to cut it high school nor the pro\'s. You can have all the talent in the world but if you can\'t put the talent where it in the right situation then the talent is no good to you. We need to fire his ass/demote him whatever and get Dave camp in. For selfish reasons I am on the badwagon to bring in Eli... trading away brooks for picks???