25th ranked defense...So what!!!

D_it_up · 05-19-2010, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

injuries happen every year

Really? When did this start happening?

Seriously, though. You act like the defense was just pathetic. The only time they were really bad was when those players I stated were all out of the line-up, and they collectively missed quite a bit of time. The problem wasn't that defense wasn't good, it's that there wasn't much depth. You say that the defense didn't get better this offseason, but that is just as much speculation as someone that would say we have. What proof do you have that they haven't gotten better? Let me answer that for you. You don't. No one has seen what the new players will bring to the table until they touch the field. Come on, Canton. You should know that. You can't always go by what is on paper.

CantonLegend · 05-19-2010, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

Really? When did this start happening?

Seriously, though. You act like the defense was just pathetic. The only time they were really bad was when those players I stated were all out of the line-up, and they collectively missed quite a bit of time. The problem wasn't that defense wasn't good, it's that there wasn't much depth. You say that the defense didn't get better this offseason, but that is just as much speculation as someone that would say we have. What proof do you have that they haven't gotten better? Let me answer that for you. You don't. No one has seen what the new players will bring to the table until they touch the field. Come on, Canton. You should know that. You can't always go by what is on paper.

i am speculating as much as anybody because thats what we have to go on

however, ive lived a good nearly 30 years of life and noticed that by subtracting important pieces of anything, not just a football team, does not usually make something better

we lost key parts of our defense and even tho i know you werent a fan of grant, there was a reason he started for us even after the huge amounts of criticism he faced

not to mention fujita and clancy

like you mentioned.....our secondary was in shambles last season and that ranking is a bit skewed.....even our DTs went down for some time

but take into account that tracy porter, darren sharper, jabari greer, sedrick ellis, and any other DT we have will likely miss time just by looking at their past history

not to mention we lose will smith for the first 4 games most likely

we have a very talented defense....but we are still missing a cornerstone or 2 i believe

D_it_up · 05-19-2010, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i am speculating as much as anybody because thats what we have to go on

however, ive lived a good nearly 30 years of life and noticed that by subtracting important pieces of anything, not just a football team, does not usually make something better

we lost key parts of our defense and even tho i know you werent a fan of grant, there was a reason he started for us even after the huge amounts of criticism he faced

not to mention fujita and clancy

like you mentioned.....our secondary was in shambles last season and that ranking is a bit skewed.....even our DTs went down for some time

but take into account that tracy porter, darren sharper, jabari greer, sedrick ellis, and any other DT we have will likely miss time just by looking at their past history

not to mention we lose will smith for the first 4 games most likely

we have a very talented defense....but we are still missing a cornerstone or 2 i believe

You're right on what I think about Grant. He was one of those who "cashed it in" after signing a big contract. He became expendable due to not living up to the money he was making. I liked Fujita alot, but he was definitely replaceable. As far as Clancy, I don't see that he would have been that much better of an option than what we had, and especially with him being 32 by the start of the season and coming off a season-ending injury, that makes him even less of an option. I think the additions they made this offseason (Brown, Wilkerson, Robinson, Woods) and Arnoux and Vaughn, provided they are healthy, will actually help the team. That is speculation on my part, as well. I just don't think the defense is as bad as you say it is. And if I remember correctly, you were singing the same tune I'm singing now about the injuries when fans of other teams were coming in here bashing our defense last year.

I agree that there is more that could be brought in to improve it, but the Saints had their hands tied as far as free agents were concerned due to that stupid Final 8 rule.

05-19-2010, 09:43 PM	#1
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend injuries happen every year Really? When did this start happening? Seriously, though. You act like the defense was just pathetic. The only time they were really bad was when those players I stated were all out of the line-up, and they collectively missed quite a bit of time. The problem wasn't that defense wasn't good, it's that there wasn't much depth. You say that the defense didn't get better this offseason, but that is just as much speculation as someone that would say we have. What proof do you have that they haven't gotten better? Let me answer that for you. You don't. No one has seen what the new players will bring to the table until they touch the field. Come on, Canton. You should know that. You can't always go by what is on paper.

05-19-2010, 09:50 PM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by D_it_up Really? When did this start happening? Seriously, though. You act like the defense was just pathetic. The only time they were really bad was when those players I stated were all out of the line-up, and they collectively missed quite a bit of time. The problem wasn't that defense wasn't good, it's that there wasn't much depth. You say that the defense didn't get better this offseason, but that is just as much speculation as someone that would say we have. What proof do you have that they haven't gotten better? Let me answer that for you. You don't. No one has seen what the new players will bring to the table until they touch the field. Come on, Canton. You should know that. You can't always go by what is on paper. i am speculating as much as anybody because thats what we have to go on however, ive lived a good nearly 30 years of life and noticed that by subtracting important pieces of anything, not just a football team, does not usually make something better we lost key parts of our defense and even tho i know you werent a fan of grant, there was a reason he started for us even after the huge amounts of criticism he faced not to mention fujita and clancy like you mentioned.....our secondary was in shambles last season and that ranking is a bit skewed.....even our DTs went down for some time but take into account that tracy porter, darren sharper, jabari greer, sedrick ellis, and any other DT we have will likely miss time just by looking at their past history not to mention we lose will smith for the first 4 games most likely we have a very talented defense....but we are still missing a cornerstone or 2 i believe
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05-19-2010, 11:20 PM	#3
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend i am speculating as much as anybody because thats what we have to go on however, ive lived a good nearly 30 years of life and noticed that by subtracting important pieces of anything, not just a football team, does not usually make something better we lost key parts of our defense and even tho i know you werent a fan of grant, there was a reason he started for us even after the huge amounts of criticism he faced not to mention fujita and clancy like you mentioned.....our secondary was in shambles last season and that ranking is a bit skewed.....even our DTs went down for some time but take into account that tracy porter, darren sharper, jabari greer, sedrick ellis, and any other DT we have will likely miss time just by looking at their past history not to mention we lose will smith for the first 4 games most likely we have a very talented defense....but we are still missing a cornerstone or 2 i believe You're right on what I think about Grant. He was one of those who "cashed it in" after signing a big contract. He became expendable due to not living up to the money he was making. I liked Fujita alot, but he was definitely replaceable. As far as Clancy, I don't see that he would have been that much better of an option than what we had, and especially with him being 32 by the start of the season and coming off a season-ending injury, that makes him even less of an option. I think the additions they made this offseason (Brown, Wilkerson, Robinson, Woods) and Arnoux and Vaughn, provided they are healthy, will actually help the team. That is speculation on my part, as well. I just don't think the defense is as bad as you say it is. And if I remember correctly, you were singing the same tune I'm singing now about the injuries when fans of other teams were coming in here bashing our defense last year. I agree that there is more that could be brought in to improve it, but the Saints had their hands tied as far as free agents were concerned due to that stupid Final 8 rule.