25th ranked defense...So what!!!

SaintGup · 05-19-2010, 06:09 PM

Can someone please tell me why so many people keep on going on about the Saints 25th ranked defense? I might be getting this wrong but it seems to me it is based on yards given up. Well I want to let you into a little secret...I DON'T CARE! Our defense was a lot better last year than people gave it credit for. Go ahead and make 60 yards a drive because on your last play I am going to rip the ball out of your hands or intercept it. Give me a 25th ranked defense and a Superbowl over a top ten defense and nothing to show for it at the end of the season anytime. Yes I would love to have a number one defense, offense, special teams and another Superbowl but guess what? Not happening. We were fine last year with our 'poor' defense. People are waiting for us to fail just so they could say 'well, I told you so'. Something tells me if we did get another Lombardi and went undefeated, there would still be people putting us at 5 on the list for the following year. Anyway, that's my view.

CantonLegend · 05-19-2010, 06:13 PM

25th ranked defense in yardage allowed

20th ranked defense in points allowed

our defense was pretty bad.......its been awhile since a team with a defense ranked that low has won a championship

im not sure we can pull it off again

saintfan · 05-19-2010, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

25th ranked defense in yardage allowed

20th ranked defense in points allowed

our defense was pretty bad.......its been awhile since a team with a defense ranked that low has won a championship

im not sure we can pull it off again

+1. I'd sure rather shut some people down - even just a little - rather than rely on the turnover. My heart might not survive another season of that sorta thing - which might make some people around here pretty happy, so on second thought I'll cut down on the sodium and hope for the best. LOL

st thomas · 05-21-2010, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

+1. I'd sure rather shut some people down - even just a little - rather than rely on the turnover. My heart might not survive another season of that sorta thing - which might make some people around here pretty happy, so on second thought I'll cut down on the sodium and hope for the best. LOL

here, here. i'll second that.

papz · 05-19-2010, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

25th ranked defense in yardage allowed

20th ranked defense in points allowed

our defense was pretty bad.......its been awhile since a team with a defense ranked that low has won a championship

im not sure we can pull it off again

Not really. The Colts won it a few years back with one of the worst defenses in the league. It's all about creating turnovers and making plays when it counts.

CantonLegend · 05-19-2010, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Not really. The Colts won it a few years back with one of the worst defenses in the league. It's all about creating turnovers and making plays when it counts.

cots had the 21st ranked defense in yards allowed that year.....and the 10th ranked defense in points allowed

our defense was still worse

and yes its nice to create turnovers, but a lot of that is luck and you cant rely on luck.....you need to rely on talent and ability and hope that a little luck happens

papz · 05-20-2010, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

cots had the 21st ranked defense in yards allowed that year.....and the 10th ranked defense in points allowed

our defense was still worse

The point was not who had the worst defense between the two. The point was you don't need an great defense to make it to or win the Superbowl.

It's all about creating turnovers and making plays when it counts.

If you win the turnover battle, the chances of you winning the game increase to about 90% I believe.

and yes its nice to create turnovers, but a lot of that is luck and you cant rely on luck.....you need to rely on talent and ability and hope that a little luck happens

While luck plays a part in it, obviously that player's talent and ability to get into position to create these turnovers do too. So I don't see what you're trying to get at here. I didn't saying anything about relying on luck.

It's all about creating turnovers and making plays when it counts.

CantonLegend · 05-20-2010, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by papz

The point was not who had the worst defense between the two. The point was you don't need an great defense to make it to or win the Superbowl.

my point about that....and yes i agree to a point....is that just because we won it last year with a bad defense, doesnt mean we should try and get by with that again....we shouldve at least been trying to add to our holes this offseason....apparently they are trying but it doesnt seem like they are trying very hard

If you win the turnover battle, the chances of you winning the game increase to about 90% I believe.

idk about the percentage but of course......thats why we won so many games....because we took the ball from them and didnt give it up ourselves

While luck plays a part in it, obviously that player's talent and ability to get into position to create these turnovers do too. So I don't see what you're trying to get at here. I didn't saying anything about relying on luck.

turnovers have a lot to do with luck....thats where luck joined the conversation......you're right that talent and ability go hand in hand because the talent and preparation create a lot of luck

but like i was saying before.....turnovers are more luck than skill.....so its safe to say that our defense was very lucky IMO.....we really didnt stop anybody this year except the pats.....we just thrived off of turnovers

can we get by another year without stopping anyone? history(which really means nothing) has shown us that you really cant get by like that

Srgt. Hulka · 05-19-2010, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGup

Can someone please tell me why so many people keep on going on about the Saints 25th ranked defense?

It makes them feel a little better to have something to criticize us for. But the fact is we still kicked their a** last year, even with the 25th ranked defense.

D_it_up · 05-19-2010, 08:02 PM

Those numbers are skewed due to the vast amount of injuries to starters throughout the year (Porter, Greer, Fujita, Ellis). I know it's a case of coulda-shoulda-woulda, but those numbers wouldn't have been near as high had they been in the line-up. Plus, most of the yards and points were given up when teams were playing from behind, especially early in the season. Kolb throwing for 400+ yards, for example. When the starters were in, the defense was not a bad one. Sure, there were holes that were apparent, but they were able to compensate by forcing turnovers. That 25th ranking doesn't bother me from last year. They made their run through the postseason and won the Super Bowl when they had all the starters in (except Grant which was probably a blessing more than a hindrance). If they can stay healthy, that ranking will be much higher than 25th.

05-19-2010, 06:09 PM	#1
SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	25th ranked defense...So what!!! Can someone please tell me why so many people keep on going on about the Saints 25th ranked defense? I might be getting this wrong but it seems to me it is based on yards given up. Well I want to let you into a little secret...I DON'T CARE! Our defense was a lot better last year than people gave it credit for. Go ahead and make 60 yards a drive because on your last play I am going to rip the ball out of your hands or intercept it. Give me a 25th ranked defense and a Superbowl over a top ten defense and nothing to show for it at the end of the season anytime. Yes I would love to have a number one defense, offense, special teams and another Superbowl but guess what? Not happening. We were fine last year with our 'poor' defense. People are waiting for us to fail just so they could say 'well, I told you so'. Something tells me if we did get another Lombardi and went undefeated, there would still be people putting us at 5 on the list for the following year. Anyway, that's my view.

05-19-2010, 06:13 PM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! 25th ranked defense in yardage allowed 20th ranked defense in points allowed our defense was pretty bad.......its been awhile since a team with a defense ranked that low has won a championship im not sure we can pull it off again

05-19-2010, 06:14 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend 25th ranked defense in yardage allowed 20th ranked defense in points allowed our defense was pretty bad.......its been awhile since a team with a defense ranked that low has won a championship im not sure we can pull it off again +1. I'd sure rather shut some people down - even just a little - rather than rely on the turnover. My heart might not survive another season of that sorta thing - which might make some people around here pretty happy, so on second thought I'll cut down on the sodium and hope for the best. LOL

05-21-2010, 04:19 PM	#4
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by saintfan +1. I'd sure rather shut some people down - even just a little - rather than rely on the turnover. My heart might not survive another season of that sorta thing - which might make some people around here pretty happy, so on second thought I'll cut down on the sodium and hope for the best. LOL here, here. i'll second that.

05-19-2010, 08:28 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend 25th ranked defense in yardage allowed 20th ranked defense in points allowed our defense was pretty bad.......its been awhile since a team with a defense ranked that low has won a championship im not sure we can pull it off again Not really. The Colts won it a few years back with one of the worst defenses in the league. It's all about creating turnovers and making plays when it counts.

05-19-2010, 09:21 PM	#6
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by papz Not really. The Colts won it a few years back with one of the worst defenses in the league. It's all about creating turnovers and making plays when it counts. cots had the 21st ranked defense in yards allowed that year.....and the 10th ranked defense in points allowed our defense was still worse and yes its nice to create turnovers, but a lot of that is luck and you cant rely on luck.....you need to rely on talent and ability and hope that a little luck happens

05-20-2010, 06:14 AM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend cots had the 21st ranked defense in yards allowed that year.....and the 10th ranked defense in points allowed our defense was still worse The point was not who had the worst defense between the two. The point was you don't need an great defense to make it to or win the Superbowl. It's all about creating turnovers and making plays when it counts. If you win the turnover battle, the chances of you winning the game increase to about 90% I believe. and yes its nice to create turnovers, but a lot of that is luck and you cant rely on luck.....you need to rely on talent and ability and hope that a little luck happens While luck plays a part in it, obviously that player's talent and ability to get into position to create these turnovers do too. So I don't see what you're trying to get at here. I didn't saying anything about relying on luck. It's all about creating turnovers and making plays when it counts.

05-20-2010, 08:41 AM	#8
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by papz The point was not who had the worst defense between the two. The point was you don't need an great defense to make it to or win the Superbowl. my point about that....and yes i agree to a point....is that just because we won it last year with a bad defense, doesnt mean we should try and get by with that again....we shouldve at least been trying to add to our holes this offseason....apparently they are trying but it doesnt seem like they are trying very hard If you win the turnover battle, the chances of you winning the game increase to about 90% I believe. idk about the percentage but of course......thats why we won so many games....because we took the ball from them and didnt give it up ourselves While luck plays a part in it, obviously that player's talent and ability to get into position to create these turnovers do too. So I don't see what you're trying to get at here. I didn't saying anything about relying on luck. turnovers have a lot to do with luck....thats where luck joined the conversation......you're right that talent and ability go hand in hand because the talent and preparation create a lot of luck but like i was saying before.....turnovers are more luck than skill.....so its safe to say that our defense was very lucky IMO.....we really didnt stop anybody this year except the pats.....we just thrived off of turnovers can we get by another year without stopping anyone? history(which really means nothing) has shown us that you really cant get by like that
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05-19-2010, 07:23 PM	#9
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Originally Posted by SaintGup Can someone please tell me why so many people keep on going on about the Saints 25th ranked defense? It makes them feel a little better to have something to criticize us for. But the fact is we still kicked their a** last year, even with the 25th ranked defense.

05-19-2010, 08:02 PM	#10
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 25th ranked defense...So what!!! Those numbers are skewed due to the vast amount of injuries to starters throughout the year (Porter, Greer, Fujita, Ellis). I know it's a case of coulda-shoulda-woulda, but those numbers wouldn't have been near as high had they been in the line-up. Plus, most of the yards and points were given up when teams were playing from behind, especially early in the season. Kolb throwing for 400+ yards, for example. When the starters were in, the defense was not a bad one. Sure, there were holes that were apparent, but they were able to compensate by forcing turnovers. That 25th ranking doesn't bother me from last year. They made their run through the postseason and won the Super Bowl when they had all the starters in (except Grant which was probably a blessing more than a hindrance). If they can stay healthy, that ranking will be much higher than 25th.