Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite

SaintPauly · 05-24-2010, 01:12 PM

I'm just curious. Did Deuce make any where near, what Bush is making, in his entire career as a Saint? He wasn't a number 2 pick, but he was first round, and a better RB in all facets of the game. And I'm tired of this BS, that "Reggie won us a ring." You guys act like he single handedly, went out, and won it by himself, with no help from anyone. I will say this, and I don't care if you agree or not. Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. For all of his athleticism, he sure has a hard time following blocks, and finding open holes. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all.

And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now.

Oh, and one more thing, I believe it was our DEFENSE, that bailed his butt out, in the NFC Championship game, when he kept muffing punts.

He is NOT a consistently elite player guys. He has flashes, and maybe one good game, every five. He has NEVER in my recollection, put together two one hundred yard ground games, since he got here, and how many seasons has he had over a thousand yards rushing? Never. I don't wanna hear "all purpose" crap, I don't wanna hear, "he's not that kind of player". If that's true, then change his gd position name, because if that's the case he's NOT a running back. Call him a WR, or make up something else. Dalton Hilliard was more productive in the ground game!

I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be.

CantonLegend · 05-24-2010, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now.

leon washington
maurice jones drew
darren sproles
reggie bush
brian westbrook

just to name a few that play now

but i was talking about in years past

guys like gale sayers
johnny roland
brian mitchell(all time leader in punt return yardage)

gandhi1007 · 05-24-2010, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

leon washington
maurice jones drew
darren sproles
reggie bush
brian westbrook

just to name a few that play now

but i was talking about in years past

guys like gale sayers
johnny roland
brian mitchell(all time leader in punt return yardage)

Of the above mentioned current RB's, which are you considering "elite" & worthy of "elite" RB salary????

SaintPauly · 05-24-2010, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

leon washington
maurice jones drew
darren sproles
reggie bush
brian westbrook

just to name a few that play now

but i was talking about in years past

guys like gale sayers
johnny roland
brian mitchell(all time leader in punt return yardage)

Ok, first off, Sproles hasn't been an every down back, since he got in the league. He was a third down back, behind LT, and he certainly wasn't making more money than LT. We will see how many punts he returns this year, if he is the feature back.

Westbrook has had how many concussions? How many complete seasons has he played? Nuff said. Feature back yes. Retiring because of it, yes, most definately.

Jones-Drew, is the only one on this list, that I would consider elite, at this point, and if you look at his ground production this past season, he FINALLY had a 1000 yards on the ground, because his return duties were actually limited. If you look at his return yards, compared to previous years, he only had 312 I believe.

Now, let me get to names I would consider "elite". Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Stephen Jackson, Thomas Jones. I don't think any of those guys are returning punts bro. I also never remember seeing Emmit Smith, Walter Payton, or Roger Craig, pulling punt duties either, after they established themselves as feature backs. Bush, is NOT a feature back, and not even in the same league with any of those guys.

Besides Sayers bro, I don't remember any of those other names you mentioned off the top of my head.

I would trade Bush, for a healthy, in his prime Deuce McCallister, any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. And I wouldn't have a problem paying him 8 million dollars either. But, that's just me. I haven't drank the Kool Aid on Bush I guess.

gandhi1007 · 05-24-2010, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

I'm just curious. Did Deuce make any where near, what Bush is making, in his entire career as a Saint? He wasn't a number 2 pick, but he was first round, and a better RB in all facets of the game. And I'm tired of this BS, that "Reggie won us a ring." You guys act like he single handedly, went out, and won it by himself, with no help from anyone. I will say this, and I don't care if you agree or not. Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. For all of his athleticism, he sure has a hard time following blocks, and finding open holes. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all.

And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now.

Oh, and one more thing, I believe it was our DEFENSE, that bailed his butt out, in the NFC Championship game, when he kept muffing punts.

He is NOT a consistently elite player guys. He has flashes, and maybe one good game, every five. He has NEVER in my recollection, put together two one hundred yard ground games, since he got here, and how many seasons has he had over a thousand yards rushing? Never. I don't wanna hear "all purpose" crap, I don't wanna hear, "he's not that kind of player". If that's true, then change his gd position name, because if that's the case he's NOT a running back. Call him a WR, or make up something else. Dalton Hilliard was more productive in the ground game!

I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be.

AMEN, brother......AMEN!!!! You sir, have hit the nail on the head.

HintOfLogic · 05-25-2010, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie.

But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all.

I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be.

To this, I salute you

05-24-2010, 01:12 PM	#1
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite I'm just curious. Did Deuce make any where near, what Bush is making, in his entire career as a Saint? He wasn't a number 2 pick, but he was first round, and a better RB in all facets of the game. And I'm tired of this BS, that "Reggie won us a ring." You guys act like he single handedly, went out, and won it by himself, with no help from anyone. I will say this, and I don't care if you agree or not. Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. For all of his athleticism, he sure has a hard time following blocks, and finding open holes. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all. And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now. Oh, and one more thing, I believe it was our DEFENSE, that bailed his butt out, in the NFC Championship game, when he kept muffing punts. He is NOT a consistently elite player guys. He has flashes, and maybe one good game, every five. He has NEVER in my recollection, put together two one hundred yard ground games, since he got here, and how many seasons has he had over a thousand yards rushing? Never. I don't wanna hear "all purpose" crap, I don't wanna hear, "he's not that kind of player". If that's true, then change his gd position name, because if that's the case he's NOT a running back. Call him a WR, or make up something else. Dalton Hilliard was more productive in the ground game! I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be.
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05-24-2010, 06:31 PM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Originally Posted by saintpaul25 And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now. leon washington maurice jones drew darren sproles reggie bush brian westbrook just to name a few that play now but i was talking about in years past guys like gale sayers johnny roland brian mitchell(all time leader in punt return yardage)

05-24-2010, 07:19 PM	#3
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Originally Posted by CantonLegend leon washington maurice jones drew darren sproles reggie bush brian westbrook just to name a few that play now but i was talking about in years past guys like gale sayers johnny roland brian mitchell(all time leader in punt return yardage) Of the above mentioned current RB's, which are you considering "elite" & worthy of "elite" RB salary????

05-24-2010, 08:22 PM	#4
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Originally Posted by CantonLegend leon washington maurice jones drew darren sproles reggie bush brian westbrook just to name a few that play now but i was talking about in years past guys like gale sayers johnny roland brian mitchell(all time leader in punt return yardage) Ok, first off, Sproles hasn't been an every down back, since he got in the league. He was a third down back, behind LT, and he certainly wasn't making more money than LT. We will see how many punts he returns this year, if he is the feature back. Westbrook has had how many concussions? How many complete seasons has he played? Nuff said. Feature back yes. Retiring because of it, yes, most definately. Jones-Drew, is the only one on this list, that I would consider elite, at this point, and if you look at his ground production this past season, he FINALLY had a 1000 yards on the ground, because his return duties were actually limited. If you look at his return yards, compared to previous years, he only had 312 I believe. Now, let me get to names I would consider "elite". Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Stephen Jackson, Thomas Jones. I don't think any of those guys are returning punts bro. I also never remember seeing Emmit Smith, Walter Payton, or Roger Craig, pulling punt duties either, after they established themselves as feature backs. Bush, is NOT a feature back, and not even in the same league with any of those guys. Besides Sayers bro, I don't remember any of those other names you mentioned off the top of my head. I would trade Bush, for a healthy, in his prime Deuce McCallister, any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. And I wouldn't have a problem paying him 8 million dollars either. But, that's just me. I haven't drank the Kool Aid on Bush I guess.
	What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....

05-24-2010, 07:21 PM	#5
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Originally Posted by saintpaul25 I'm just curious. Did Deuce make any where near, what Bush is making, in his entire career as a Saint? He wasn't a number 2 pick, but he was first round, and a better RB in all facets of the game. And I'm tired of this BS, that "Reggie won us a ring." You guys act like he single handedly, went out, and won it by himself, with no help from anyone. I will say this, and I don't care if you agree or not. Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. For all of his athleticism, he sure has a hard time following blocks, and finding open holes. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all. And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now. Oh, and one more thing, I believe it was our DEFENSE, that bailed his butt out, in the NFC Championship game, when he kept muffing punts. He is NOT a consistently elite player guys. He has flashes, and maybe one good game, every five. He has NEVER in my recollection, put together two one hundred yard ground games, since he got here, and how many seasons has he had over a thousand yards rushing? Never. I don't wanna hear "all purpose" crap, I don't wanna hear, "he's not that kind of player". If that's true, then change his gd position name, because if that's the case he's NOT a running back. Call him a WR, or make up something else. Dalton Hilliard was more productive in the ground game! I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be. AMEN, brother......AMEN!!!! You sir, have hit the nail on the head.

05-25-2010, 02:30 AM	#6
HintOfLogic 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 194	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all. I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be. To this, I salute you
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