BucNup

It's very unfortunate, and screams volumes of discontent among the followers of professional and collegiate sports in general. Is it a franchise specific thought process or is it phenomena that has been instilled into the broader opinions of America today?

I personally don’t see why Haz wasn’t relieved of his duties last year, after his 2nd December swoon. Yet, he was allowed to return as head coach of the Saints after submitting lie after lie during the off-season of his ill-advised improvements.

Meanwhile, speaking purely from experience….

We; the Bucs were (so driven to be successful), released one of the greatest coaches in the game, because he was not able to get over that proverbial hump of winning in the post-season. The POST-SEASON folks…..

5 consecutive years of fielding a team worthy of a shot at the Super Bowl wasn’t even enough…..

Looking back, it was a successful move, but that doesn’t make it the right move, in respects to how you treat people.

Dungy groomed the Bucs for success; yet IMO his works have fallen upon deaf ears with a resounding SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP thump. I am appreciative of Gruden and I’m glad he’s apart of our organization, but if you listened to his early interviews as the team was taking its championship form; he acknowledged the great legacy Dungy had left behind. In a sense he was laughing to himself. For the first time in his coaching career all he had to do was focus on OFFENSE 200%....

It was a no brainer!

Meanwhile….

Your Saints struggle with Haz… Haz; in every sense of the word, is a Haz-been. Still, many of you cling to the hopes and gratitude of his past accomplishments. Don’t toss injuries up as defense of his failures, every team encounters them and we all play through them.

In a sense you are getting exactly what you deserve. How many times must a bully take your lunch money? How many times must he promise to pick-up the kids? How many times must he promise to mow the lawn? How many times must your hopes become shattered each week before you see the obvious? How many “We played well up to….� are you going to tolerate? The Saints need to raise the bar of expectations throughout the entire organization…. But not through words; instead, through results.

Of course no coach can throw a pass, run the ball or line up to block someone. But it has been proven that players take on the personality and traits of their coaches. Think back for a minute about winning teams and the coaches that led them….. Then it becomes clear why the Saints are a group of underachieving men. Whenever you have talent oozing out of the ears as the Saints do, but then you level the playing field with inconsistency and poor execution, there is only ONE MAN RESPONSIBLE FOR CORRECTING THESE PROBLEMS……

Week after week it’s a different take: Brooks this…. The defense that… Venutri should… I’m not saying that a certain group or person didn’t play well at any given time. What I am saying is:

Will the real problem please stand up??

But still; your Saints struggle with Haz… Haz; in every sense of the word, is a Haz-been.






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BillyCarpenter1

BucNup --

I\'ll be the first to admit that I thought the late season collapses were a culmination of a lot of different reasons. I was willing to give Haz the benifit of the doubt because he took a miserable team that he inheirited from Ditka and turned it around. I still think that was the right thing to do. But, after watching these first 4 games it is now clear to me that the root of the problem is Haz himself. It is also clear to me that players don\'t thrive under Haz, but succeed despite Haz.

I really wonder how some of the star players would perform under a coach that actually knows how to put players in a position to succeed !! The great coaches can get underacheivers to raise their game to the next level. Haz can\'t get great players to perform average. It\'s no telling how some of these players could perform and until Haz is gone, I don\'t think we will ever know.

I\'m sure Haz worked hard and did the best he could do, but like everyone that has a normal job, if you can\'t get the job done, there is someone who can. So my question is :Will the next coach of the New Orleans Saints please stand up??



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TheOriginalSwampdog

BucNup, that\'s what champions are made of. Being content is what losers do. The Bucs were not satisfied with just making the playoffs and being close to the SB. So, they rectified it. Tom Benson is a loser and has no balls. I agree with you whole heartedly that Haz should have been canned last year. To go 7-2 and lose to the likes of Cincinnati and Carolina, with a playoff shot on the line, is simple unacceptable. Do you know what Benson did after the end of last season? He brought Haz and his coaching staff into his suite and told them what a great coaching job they did! Nope, I\'m not kidding. That\'s shows you the leadership of this franchise. Good luck to you and your great team, we\'re sure to give you two easy W\'s in the near future. Hopefully, we can persuade a motivator and great coach in Saban to think about coming here. Course, with our record, we\'ll probably hire Dave McGinnis after he is canned in Phoenix.

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BillyCarpenter1

You know this is still a Saints board. Why would you want to wish the Bucs luck?? I don\'t think any self respecting Saints fan would do that !!

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tweeky

Ignore them, and they will leave.

BillyCarpenter1

I hear ya tweeky and I WILL follow that advise!!

BucNup

You\'d think that after 155 posts I\'d be able to make a post without being ignored? I\'m confused? Have it your way though.....

I still won\'t leave.

BillyCarpenter1

We weren\'t talking about you Buc, or at least I wasn\'t. I was talking about DOG

BucNup

My bad...

But; wishing one luck is ok, until head to head battles I thought?

Well, I take that back. That\'s if all things were equal. I can understand your position...

But then tha would be like me saying: Continued failure.....

I don\'t know. It\'s all so confusing. I do wish your Saints out of this funk, honestly.

tweeky

Not directed at you Buc, you aren\'t an idiot.
I enjoy your posts quite a bit.
I just wish you\'d shrink that stupid ring down some.

Hey JoeSam, don\'t we have some rules about the size of photo\'s used in signatures?

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