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canucksaint --

Point taken. IMO -- there\'s nothing wrong with asking the QB to do more, but in reality he\'s had a better season so far then most everyone on the team. So, Aaron should be way down on that list of players you want to see perform better, but you seem to being wanting to put more on him than some other players that have played much worse. Or, at least you aren\'t metioning any of \'em by name. You are specifically mentioning Brooks !

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Unfortunately Billy, you and I and perhaps lummOx are in the minority. I continue to find it interesting that most of the Brooks bashers are on this board. They should call this site \"agenda.net\".

Why oh why isn\'t anyone talking about our less than average performance either pass or run blocking? Why won\'t people on this board acknowledge dropped balls? True, injuries are no excuse but c\'mon...6 starters + down on defense would be difficult for ANY team to deal with. How do these folks think the Bucs or Panthers would do with that number of starters down?

Our blocking has been decent at times, but in the games I\'ve seen so far this year, mor often than not, Deuce has no where to run and Brooks is running for his life. Why isn\'t anyone bringing that up as a problem...I\'m no football guru, but if I can see that where the hell are the rest of you people looking, and in particular those of you that continue to blame our QB? What the hell are you people smokin\'?

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Yea, I have mentioned him specificly. But also I have mentioned Duece and Horn. These should be the leaders on our team. Both Brooks and Duece have been playing pretty well this year (less one game each). But I see Duece as more vocal a leader than Brooks is. This is what I am asking him to improve upon. As LummOx pointed out, these are things not seen in stats I could have said the same thing about Ricky Williams when he was around.
I think that Duece is more vocal. And we all know that Horn is.
I guess I just think of the QB as the leader of the team, and should be the one showing the leadership qualities.
I don\'t have any issue with how he is playing. Just how he is leading. But that relates back to the rest of the team just not playing with heart.

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I\'ve brought it up but everyone just seems to blow it off and try to tell me it\'s Brooks\' fault because he should have pulled a rabbit out of his azz. It\'s always something. Aaron gets sacked and it\'s because he should have audibled or something. Some of these guys refuse to talk about anything but the QB. You would think that as long as they have watched football that they would at least have a clue. Now I will say this. LummOx, is fair. He\'s not Pro Brooks or Anti Brooks. B&B -- has gone on record and said the jury is still out as far as Brooks is concerned. Some members are just damn sure EVERYTHING is on Aaron Brooks. Hell, 08, has the answeres but nobody will give him a chance to coach. Know anyone that can hook 08 up with a coaching job???

[Edited on 2/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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canucksaint

Agree with you on that one. I want to see Brooks improve on that also.

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Guys, guys. Why in the world should we be different from any other team in the league. Many here bring up the Jets last year. Do you guys seem to remember THEY HAD A QB CHANGE! Teams replace ineffective qbs every single year in college and in pro. Why does Brooks have a get out of jail free card here? He\'s not a rookie. He\'s been starter two full years now and is regressing. If we don\'t make a change it\'s because the coaching staff are a bunch of morons!

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I swore I would NEVER respond to \"doggie\", but I have to point out his lack of vision...

Now, \"doggie\", the KEY to your post is the word \"ineffective\". Now, when Brooks becomes consistantly ineffective we can discuss it, but so far he hasn\'t been consistantly ineffective. Why don\'t you join \"08\" on the panthers web site or something and stop wasting my (any everyone else\'s for that matter) time.

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Billie Quote:
\"You KNOW? You know no such thing !! It could happen, but they might start winning !! You guys kill me coming in here stating things as FACTS. I seem to remember the Jets getting killed their first 3 or 4 games last year and they went to the playoffs and beat the Colts 44-0. Don\'t say it can\'t happen or you KNOW what\'s going to happen!! But, sure FWtex, it COULD happen.\"

I saw where someone already beat me to it but I wanted to laugh at you myself. Yes Billie I DO KNOW what I am talking about.

And I see my \"Billie\" is holding true. On -off, on-off, on-off. then you say you are just being too emotional and can\'t think straight? LOL!!!!!!!

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JoeSam --

Can I call FWtex an idiot?? Or a moron? How bout stupid?? If ya let me I\'ll be good. Well, I\'ve been being good so I think you owe me one. Help a brother out??


No thanks, I edit others calling you names, why would I let you call them names? Next! :D

[Edited on 3/10/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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No offense Billy, but you gotta admit that is funny! :P

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B&B --

It\'s funny and it\'s true. After watching the Colts game I was and AM confused. I want some answers but can\'t find any. Except from some of the geniuses around here.

But yeah it\'s funny -- I have to keep you guys entertained !!

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I will be the first to agree that plugging in a back-up QB is a fairly standard method of bringing an offense back to life. There are alot of success stories to prove that. But I think the question here is whether or not Brooks is \"in-effective\". Given the exact same plays to run, the same quality of blocking, and the same consistency of pass-catching, does Bouman be more effective? With the exception of the Colts game, I can\'t lay enough blame Brook\'s way to justify it.

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Saintsfan, I can add and subtract, can you? 4 touchdowns and 3 interceptions in 4 games. Now, if that\'s not INEFFECTIVE, I don\'t know what is. How many points is our offense averaging compared to last year? Do me a favor and get to a Webster\'s Dictionary and look up the definition of \"ineffective\" and tell me what you come up with. Apparentley, you don\'t understand the meaning of the word.

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Saintsfan, being that you are so slow, I thought I\'d help you out. Please tell me if this definition not only applies to Brooks, but the Saints team as a whole:

One entry found for ineffective.


Main Entry: in·ef·fec·tive
Pronunciation: \"i-n&-\'fek-tiv
Function: adjective
Date: 1649
1 : not producing an intended effect : INEFFECTUAL <ineffective lighting>
2 : not capable of performing efficiently or as expected : INCAPABLE <an ineffective executive>
- in·ef·fec·tive·ly adverb
- in·ef·fec·tive·ness noun

See, apparentley, guys like you don\'t have the education to understand particular words because you weren\'t into all that \"book learnin\" when you were in school. What a shame, another example of our public school system failing. Hey, Saintsfan, I hear tell Hooked on Phonic helps a lot of people like you. Maybe you should give them a call.

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Since you go to the games, you don\'t need me to remind you that 2 of those 3 interceptions were a direct result of the reciever allowing the ball to pop out of their hands, straight up in the air. Not making excuses for AB, since he looked horrible in the last game, but that little point seems to be overlooked here lately.

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Everything has to come in context. By this arguement, then Delhomme, Brady, Bledsoe, Maddox, Trent Green, and Jay Fiedler are ineffective QB\'s this year. They have the same TD to INT ratio or worse than Brooks, they have the same or worse QB ratings, and they have the same or less pass yards with the exception of Maddox.
The difference is the current record, the overall offensive production, and the quality of defense that each of these teams have. Each one of these teams has not seen a drop off in offensive production, not because this level of performance by the QB is keeping it there. The stats Brooks has this year should be enough to win games. There are so many factors that contribute to success. Place any one of the above mentioned QB\'s in the situations that Brooks has played in, and in all likelihood the results would be similar.
Very little is effective on offense right now, schematically and individually. The individual performance of a single person will not have a drastic enough effect to turn it around. Take McAllister for example. I think he\'s running with as much or more power and fire as I\'ve ever seen. The problem is we are not executing run blocks, nor is the playcalling allowing the running game to be effective. Do we blame Deuce for his lack of effectiveness. The finger has to point to the whole unit, coach, coordinator and offensive players.

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B and B, while I agree with your assessment about some of the int\'s, you have to also calculate the tds that were given to Brooks in the Seattle and Titans game. He was playing against prevent D\'s that were in place to make us eat up clock. Not to mention the 2 yarder to Conwell that my grandmother could have thrown. Listen, I hear what you\'re saying, but we need more production from the qb positon, period.

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Lummox that was a great post. I agree totally. However, since the dawn of time, when offenses struggle (whether it\'s the offensive line, the running back or wr\'s fault) it\'s the qb that is under the biggest microscope. If the offense can\'t score and move the ball, it ultimately comes down to the qb because he\'s on the field. I do agree, that our scheme right now SUCKS and the coaching leaves A WHOLE LOT to be desired. It\'s not all Brooks\' fault, but his demeanor and lack of production BEGS for a change at that position. If not only to try to shake things up. If Bouman goes in and does nothing then fine. At least we can say we fired every bullet we had. Like we should have done in the last three games of last year.

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Thank you. And I\'m not thanking you because we have met closely in opinion on this one, but because that was also a good post.
My post in response to you was that I didn\'t believe the stats you used to promote the position of ineffectiveness were justifiable back-up. The leadership qualities and the need for something/anything are justifiable in my mind and deserve to be explored.
I believe that this organization has to decide in what direction they wish to go. If they want to try to salvage this season then it may have to be done. It may come at the expense of Brook\'s future here, or it may serve the exact opposite and make him a better player. Only the front office staff and coaching staff are in position to make that call and expect the consequences of that choice.

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The problem \"swampie\" is you\'re shortsighted. Ask around...

You wanna bench the QB to \"shake things up\"...is that right? OR, do you wanna bench the QB because you think he sucks. Which is it swamp rat...umm...I mean doggie. Get off the freakin fence and make a statement and back it up with something.

On second thought, nevermind. Eventually you\'ll post something intelligent (I have faith in even the lowest life forms) and then what you say might matter, but \'til then, never you mind.

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Okay Saintsfan, now we\'re talking! Nice anomisity! I love it. I\'m not on the fence. I personally think Brooks sucks ass and should be shipped out of here faster than you can say \"trade bait\" however, for those of you who still like the bum, I was trying to be logical by saying AT THE VERY LEAST, HE SHOULD BE BENCHED TO TRY AND GIVE THE OFFENSE A SPARK.