What makes anyone think Pierre deserves top money?
 

I will say it. If Pierre does in fact believe he is worth top money in this league he needs to go. With the exception of Brees and his protection there is not a single player on offense that has much of an arguement when it comes to negotiating a top 10 or so contract at their respective positions. As much as I like the dude Pierre is a product of our system. Period. IMHO there are plenty of backs we could get for WAY under top RB money to plug and play in Pierre's spot. We spread the ball around way to much, Pierre is not the featured back as it is done by committee, and I still believe he is suceptible to injury. IMHO the days of RB's getting huge contracts will soon be a thing of the past anyway as more and more teams build a committee with a utility back, a "regular" back and a 3rd down back. In fact I believe you will see MANY teams in the NFL in the near future look at us and try to build their backfield based on ours. Anyhow just one mans opinion. I like Pierre, but we already have an over paid back on the team.

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How much do you think he's worth?

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i dont think he is worth that money either. im not quite sure who he thinks he is all of a sudden, but your probably right, he is a product of the system. Good Rb he is...top RB he is not. we would have the most expensive backfield in the nfl and it is no secret that we are a pass first team. pierre hasnt even played an entire season with out injury nor can he carry the load. he isnt really a bruiser rb and his best play is the screen. i really have to think that all of this is due to his agent. these agents are money hungry whores and thats all they care about. if i do find out that PT is behind this douchey hold out i will turn on him

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I believe the Saints are having a hard time trying to figure out what Pierre is worth.
He was 5th in the league last year in Yards per Attempt at 5.4, behind only Felix Jones, Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson, and Justin Forsett. He had 6 rushing TD's to only 1 fumble, and he made HUGE plays for us throughout the playoffs and Superbowl.

At the same time, he shares carries and only toted the rock 147 times last year. He also has proven to be a bit fragile and miss games because of his stature. He doesn't have the home run potential that Bush has, but is equally valuable to the team. Bush's contract by it's very nature is keeping what the Saints can afford to pay RB's down, but they have to live with the agreement they signed based on his draft status.

If I had to guess, I would bet that the Saints will give Pierre a deal in the $4-5MM per year range, with the ability to earn up to $2MM per year more based on hitting certain measuring sticks such as carries, yds per carry, and TD's. Probably a 4 year deal that is more back loaded and incentive laden than the relatively risk free front loaded contract Evans just got.

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Not to call you out in particular, but has anyone seen a quote by Pierre saying exactly what he wanted or what he thinks he's worth then what was supposely "reported" by a media outlet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3273710
I think that's a solid barometer for PT's worth. I'd have no problem giving that to him. Would that make him overpaid?

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I think 4.5 to 5 mill a year is fair...

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He's negotiating. He's smart to aim for the stars. I'm pretty sure he and the team will reach an agreement, and I'm pretty sure that agreement won't make him the highest paid RB in the league.

I agree that 4-5 million a year is fair. He's hell on wheels on that little screen though isn't he?

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SF we might know soon ..see my thread

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Saw that. Let's go guys...meet somewhere in the middle and let's get started on the second one. :)

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i read on another site that saints made him an offer and he laughed at it. hes turning arrogant. what happened to him showing up for mini camps because he wanted to show he was dedicated and he wasnt that type of player.

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Did he laugh or did his agent laugh? I don't even think Pierre's at the negotiating table. He probably just wants to play football...and play football dressed in Black&Gold. Its probably the other guy that he trusts to get him the most possible that's holding up the show. His next contract won't even be in the same ball park as this one. This deal will be the most he will ever get paid during his career. I'm sure he and his agent know that and are working towards maximizing this opportunity. Go for it PT! Get whatever you can get.

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I read somewhere Pierre Thomas beat up Chuck Norris.

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what i read was that Pierre told his cousin and they both cracked up laughing. Supposedly Pierre Thomas' cousin posted that on another website. it is possible that the "pierre's cousin" is an imposter and the story may hold no water. but if i have to think about it, so does everyone else:twisted:

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Remember not to long ago when Sharper asked for a boat load of cash and a king's ransom, look at what he had to settle for .... I see the same thing happening here with Thomas. Let him try to get all the money he can but in the end Loomis will ink him to the right kind of deal that is fair for both Thomas and the team. You have to think that he knows that the best place for him is in NO where he's an important piece to the #1 offense in the league

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And we have a winner!

Whats he asking for?
Whats he worth?

I can't think of many backs better than PT. Maybe 3 or 4?

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depends on what you look for in a back

health?.....work load?.......consistancy?....blocking? if those are 4 of the top things you look for then PT isnt the guy

if you look for a guy who can catch screens and break tackles then sure

but i can think of a few guys right off the top of my head that are better than PT and if i actually was forced im sure i could come up with more

PT is talented as he proved to me this season....however, he is not a top back in this league and shouldnt be paid like one unless he is trying to inflate the market

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Blocking- He's very good. No complaints.

Health-How many games has he missed? He's healthier than any RB we've had in 10 years. He's missed 3 freaking games in 3 years.

Consistency-As consistent as any top 10 RB

Workload-We don't know yet, the only legit complaint you have.

C'mon Canton, you gotta do better than that. We all know you didn't like him last year, and he proved you wrong. Do you wanna be proved wrong again?

Name 5 RB's better than Pierre Thomas.

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I think Pierre Thomas is outstanding. Dont take my word for it, though. Watch the season and Super Bowl highlights.

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chris johnson, AP, steven jackson, deangello williams, thomas jones, ladanian tomlinson, maurice jones drew, ray rice, cedric benson, jonathan stewart, ronnie brown, michael turner, marion barber, frank gore......heck even people were starting to believe that PT wasnt even the best RB on our team when mike bell filled in and led the team in rushing over the majority of the season

the problem you have is that you love the saints so much that it clouds your picture of reality

PT showed me that he was a good back....he didnt prove me wrong because i didnt say he was terrible.....all i said was that i needed to see more of him.....he showed me that he can carry the rock and he does it well

however, to say that he deserves top 10 money.....even top 15 to 20 money is probably stretching it

there are some RBs that have to share the backfield with another guy....and both of them are better than PT

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Bingo. Thats about what I was thinking.

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Bingo! Great Points. PT is good. Making great plays and being a great back are 2 different things!!

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I don't think Pierre deserves "Top" money based on the fact of the Saints evenly dispensed workload. In my opinion, he belongs in the top 10 RB's list.... but you have to consider the depth of this offensive counterparts. It's a shame because he's proven to be one of the most reliable, hard working and overachieving players on the O... and after 3 minimum wage years, justice should see him with a lucrative contract, but, as much as I think he should be compensated, I've seen too many players loose their drive at this point in their careers..... where they overexert themselves up until landing nice job security and decline after. I can't predict Pierre would slouch at any point, I think it's in his nature to go all out... but you never know, and injuries are always a factor. This is something Loomis has to account for.

I would like to see him as a Saint as long as he's showing up on the field like he has, and specific dollars required to make it happen don't really concern me, but you have to remember, off the field it's all a business.

I don't think he'll see Steven Jackson type dollars because isn't Jackson like 90% of the Rams productivity ;) Steven Jackson is also more or less the (much needed) face of the Rams.... we all know that field value and marketing value can be accounted for on separate terms.

I think Pierre shows Emmit Smith type instincts and downhill running shiftiness, Marion Barber style hard running and tackle breaking and Marshall Faulk qualities in the passing game.... and the amount of heart, can't be measured.

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How come no body replies to my post. ):

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You're Lady Friend is distracting ... ;)

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:confused: Come on now.

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Well said HOL. Sometimes I disagree with your point of view but I totally agree with this.

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now i understand my doggie better.

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Pretty good list, but I disagree with about 1/2 of it. Especially when you consider all the skills you originally listed.

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First time in my life i agree with Canton. it was hard to admit...

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Pierre is a running back by commitee specialist. he couldnt be the feature back because he cant do everything some of the other guys can do. the only person he is better than on Cantons list is cedric benson. i still wish we would have gotten michael turner when we had the chance.

i do however think PT is a good back. i just think he is crazy thinking he wants that type of money. our team will stay a top team when we have alot of good players rather than a handful of superstars.

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good post buddy

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go find my posts because im in an apologetic mood....i hope they didnt get deleted when the site crashed awhile back because that would make for a disappointing argument

if you find a post that said anything other than the fact that we hadn't seen enough of him then i'll admit defeat

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Lol, Im a dork

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You can do that for yourself. I don't need an apology... and you were already defeated. Forgetfulness comes with age.

Though, this is a direct quote from the horses mouth to me over a year ago...

That's why I don't need an apology.

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skymike i see 2 islands in the foregrond of your avatar are they the bahamas LOL

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same reason i did'nt want to pop everyone's bubble. he's not worth 44.8 mill.

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LOL. now there ya go. LOL

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its a tropical paradise. When you're stressed, just put your face here and go "BLBLBLBLBLBL!"
+1

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He is a product of the system. However he is good in the system. If I had the money I'd pay him 4-5 mill.

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5 years at 25 million with 12 million guarentted.