Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman?

saintsfan601 · 06-15-2010, 01:39 PM

So the head coach can get paid millions of dollars,but the players can't recieve a penny.WTF.

Srgt. Hulka · 06-15-2010, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan601

So the head coach can get paid millions of dollars,but the players can't recieve a penny.WTF.

The players are getting paid. How much does it cost to go to USC for four years, live in the dorms or student appartments for four years, to have every meal paid for for four years? How much was that scolarship worth that Reggie Bush recieved? Their job is to play football to the absolute best of their ability and to keep decent grades. That's what they get paid for. If college players could get paid like a pro, if they could recieve endorsements, they would spend way too much time working with agents, lawyers, and sponsers instead of the important things I mentioned before, school and football. IMO.

saintfan · 06-15-2010, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

The players are getting paid. How much does it cost to go to USC for four years, live in the dorms or student appartments for four years, to have every meal paid for for four years? How much was that scolarship worth that Reggie Bush recieved? Their job is to play football to the absolute best of their ability and to keep decent grades. That's what they get paid for. If college players could get paid like a pro, if they could recieve endorsements, they would spend way too much time working with agents, lawyers, and sponsers instead of the important things I mentioned before, school and football. IMO.

There's an argument for what you're saying - for those athletes on full scholarship, even though I think the money they (the big names like Reggie) bring in and the intangibles equate to more money than their scholarship is worth...it's hard to measure the way a high school kid feels toward a University because of "x" player...I mean how do you put a dollar value on that?

Still, they aren't all on full scholarship right? And even still, you're telling this kid, "look, your school, your meals, and your rent are paid for." Then we tell them, "you can NOT take another dollar from whatever the entity because you'll lose it all." So the players can essentially whore themselves out to the school - they get tuition and meals and a place to sleep in return for their performance, which benefits the school in their recruiting efforts and puts buts in seats and generates a LOT of money for the institution, yet they cannot whore themselves out to a booster who wants to give them a car?

I understand my argument isn't terribly lucid, and I confess I haven't looked in to the whole picture as to the why's and why not's, but it seems to me, on the surface at least, that the rules that prohibit these kids from taking advantage of their position aren't entirely for the benefit if the kids.

st thomas · 06-15-2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

There's an argument for what you're saying - for those athletes on full scholarship, even though I think the money they (the big names like Reggie) bring in and the intangibles equate to more money than their scholarship is worth...it's hard to measure the way a high school kid feels toward a University because of "x" player...I mean how do you put a dollar value on that?

Still, they aren't all on full scholarship right? And even still, you're telling this kid, "look, your school, your meals, and your rent are paid for." Then we tell them, "you can NOT take another dollar from whatever the entity because you'll lose it all." So the players can essentially whore themselves out to the school - they get tuition and meals and a place to sleep in return for their performance, which benefits the school in their recruiting efforts and puts buts in seats and generates a LOT of money for the institution, yet they cannot whore themselves out to a booster who wants to give them a car?

I understand my argument isn't terribly lucid, and I confess I haven't looked in to the whole picture as to the why's and why not's, but it seems to me, on the surface at least, that the rules that prohibit these kids from taking advantage of their position aren't entirely for the benefit if the kids.

i hear what u-r saying all the way, the only benefit is if they graduate or make it all the way into the nfl. its all for selling tickets, filling seats sharing profits from conferences.now some stories you hear about security guard jobs that payed 80,000 a year and the athelete not in the guard house till its pay day. you want to investigate that sure. but why not give them living and spending cash for burgers and movies. they have been talking about it for years but nobody does anything about it. good take on it saintfan.

HintOfLogic · 06-15-2010, 05:04 PM

What do you think? Nobody knew nothing until people popped up yelling he screwed them over.... go figure?

Check this out, I dug this up in like 20 secs. - read:

Reggie Bush wouldn't settle civil lawsuit and the NCAA moved in

strato · 06-15-2010, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic

What do you think? Nobody knew nothing until people popped up yelling he screwed them over.... go figure?

Check this out, I dug this up in like 20 secs. - read:

Reggie Bush wouldn't settle civil lawsuit and the NCAA moved in

Congrats on the speedy find...so what do you sugest we do with Bush?..be honest Hint...what is your solution to this big problem..

HintOfLogic · 06-16-2010, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by strato

Congrats on the speedy find...so what do you sugest we do with Bush?..be honest Hint...what is your solution to this big problem..

quote from my previous post:

"As far as actually taking the trophy back from him.... I could truly care less. I think that all of the negative PR is the most effect form of justice."

UK_WhoDat · 06-19-2010, 03:12 PM

If he was truly ineligible, then take it away,

What a way to destroy the concept.......

jeanpierre · 06-19-2010, 09:47 PM

Do the crime, pay the fine and do the time...

Is the NCAA a hypocritical organization; of course it is...

Pete Carroll runs a good times/ole boy system and gets to walk away jack-free...

Reggie is earning millions in the NFL; yet he spoiled the Heisman with his breaking of the rules...

USC Trojans now on the squad and future ones will pay the price for the transgressions of the aforementioned and others (and not that they have not committed their own)...

And the NCAA is making billions of dollars off the blood, sweat, tears of these "student-athletes"; these are the people that need a union...

Pretty screwed up...

saintfan · 06-21-2010, 01:53 PM

It's only illegal if you get caught. I doubt Reggie 'spoiled' anything considering he'd have to have been the first Heisman winner to have ever done anything like this - and we all know that's a load of poo.

Again I say, "YAWN". The whole system is a joke.

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06-15-2010, 01:39 PM	#1
saintsfan601 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Meridian MS Posts: 259	Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman? So the head coach can get paid millions of dollars,but the players can't recieve a penny.WTF.

06-15-2010, 02:41 PM	#2
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman? Originally Posted by saintsfan601 So the head coach can get paid millions of dollars,but the players can't recieve a penny.WTF. The players are getting paid. How much does it cost to go to USC for four years, live in the dorms or student appartments for four years, to have every meal paid for for four years? How much was that scolarship worth that Reggie Bush recieved? Their job is to play football to the absolute best of their ability and to keep decent grades. That's what they get paid for. If college players could get paid like a pro, if they could recieve endorsements, they would spend way too much time working with agents, lawyers, and sponsers instead of the important things I mentioned before, school and football. IMO.
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06-15-2010, 02:55 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman? Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka The players are getting paid. How much does it cost to go to USC for four years, live in the dorms or student appartments for four years, to have every meal paid for for four years? How much was that scolarship worth that Reggie Bush recieved? Their job is to play football to the absolute best of their ability and to keep decent grades. That's what they get paid for. If college players could get paid like a pro, if they could recieve endorsements, they would spend way too much time working with agents, lawyers, and sponsers instead of the important things I mentioned before, school and football. IMO. There's an argument for what you're saying - for those athletes on full scholarship, even though I think the money they (the big names like Reggie) bring in and the intangibles equate to more money than their scholarship is worth...it's hard to measure the way a high school kid feels toward a University because of "x" player...I mean how do you put a dollar value on that? Still, they aren't all on full scholarship right? And even still, you're telling this kid, "look, your school, your meals, and your rent are paid for." Then we tell them, "you can NOT take another dollar from whatever the entity because you'll lose it all." So the players can essentially whore themselves out to the school - they get tuition and meals and a place to sleep in return for their performance, which benefits the school in their recruiting efforts and puts buts in seats and generates a LOT of money for the institution, yet they cannot whore themselves out to a booster who wants to give them a car? I understand my argument isn't terribly lucid, and I confess I haven't looked in to the whole picture as to the why's and why not's, but it seems to me, on the surface at least, that the rules that prohibit these kids from taking advantage of their position aren't entirely for the benefit if the kids.
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06-15-2010, 04:06 PM	#4
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman? Originally Posted by saintfan There's an argument for what you're saying - for those athletes on full scholarship, even though I think the money they (the big names like Reggie) bring in and the intangibles equate to more money than their scholarship is worth...it's hard to measure the way a high school kid feels toward a University because of "x" player...I mean how do you put a dollar value on that? Still, they aren't all on full scholarship right? And even still, you're telling this kid, "look, your school, your meals, and your rent are paid for." Then we tell them, "you can NOT take another dollar from whatever the entity because you'll lose it all." So the players can essentially whore themselves out to the school - they get tuition and meals and a place to sleep in return for their performance, which benefits the school in their recruiting efforts and puts buts in seats and generates a LOT of money for the institution, yet they cannot whore themselves out to a booster who wants to give them a car? I understand my argument isn't terribly lucid, and I confess I haven't looked in to the whole picture as to the why's and why not's, but it seems to me, on the surface at least, that the rules that prohibit these kids from taking advantage of their position aren't entirely for the benefit if the kids. i hear what u-r saying all the way, the only benefit is if they graduate or make it all the way into the nfl. its all for selling tickets, filling seats sharing profits from conferences.now some stories you hear about security guard jobs that payed 80,000 a year and the athelete not in the guard house till its pay day. you want to investigate that sure. but why not give them living and spending cash for burgers and movies. they have been talking about it for years but nobody does anything about it. good take on it saintfan.
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06-15-2010, 05:04 PM	#5
HintOfLogic 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 194	Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman? What do you think? Nobody knew nothing until people popped up yelling he screwed them over.... go figure? Check this out, I dug this up in like 20 secs. - read: Reggie Bush wouldn't settle civil lawsuit and the NCAA moved in
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06-15-2010, 11:55 PM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman? Originally Posted by HintOfLogic What do you think? Nobody knew nothing until people popped up yelling he screwed them over.... go figure? Check this out, I dug this up in like 20 secs. - read: Reggie Bush wouldn't settle civil lawsuit and the NCAA moved in Congrats on the speedy find...so what do you sugest we do with Bush?..be honest Hint...what is your solution to this big problem..

06-16-2010, 02:25 AM	#7
HintOfLogic 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 194	Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman? Originally Posted by strato Congrats on the speedy find...so what do you sugest we do with Bush?..be honest Hint...what is your solution to this big problem.. quote from my previous post: "As far as actually taking the trophy back from him.... I could truly care less. I think that all of the negative PR is the most effect form of justice."
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06-19-2010, 03:12 PM	#8
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06-19-2010, 09:47 PM	#9
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06-21-2010, 01:53 PM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Reggie Bush be stripped of the Heisman? It's only illegal if you get caught. I doubt Reggie 'spoiled' anything considering he'd have to have been the first Heisman winner to have ever done anything like this - and we all know that's a load of poo. Again I say, "YAWN". The whole system is a joke.

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