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We are guaranteed something, we were guaranteed nothing for him before. Yeah, wish it would have been for a higher pick, but that is just a wish. There were obviously no takers for anything better, so it's a good deal because it's better than no deal.

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I agree that at least we got something for him and he was a cancer on the team. I was only trying to point out that some people who think they know everything about everything aren't right all the time either. Come on over to the darkside once in a while and for those who were on the darkside in this debate my hats off to you. I stay on the darkside baby and you know this man!

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A voice of reason and logic.... Good post.... The conventional wisdom was that we held all the cards with JB. Not so... He could have held out until week 5.. signed his tender and showed up out of shape.... Then at the end of the year he was free and we got nothing..

GM's around the league knew this so all they had to do was sit back and wait... I have a 2000 conversion van that is in excellent shape... blue book is $6500... Im asking $5700... no buyers... so the blue book thus far is wrong.... if somebody offers $5000 I will probably take it... thats the MARKET value... what someone is WILLING to pay...Loomis got MARKET value... not what we would like but its what the market would be willing to pay...

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FF's got a white pickup he can sell ya ... low miles!!!!!

I don't get the give backs on draft picks .... Jammal's knees must be in worse physical shape than we know.

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brown isnt a cancer.....a cancer is someone who destroys a team and the relationships in the locker room

all brown did was want more money.....he held out and didnt show up which is a poor business and professional decision and it shows immaturity IMO

but a cancer? really? you guys are blowing this way out of proportion trying to pretend like the trade was the only thing to do

this trade was a mistake.....we lost our best offensive lineman in favor of a draft pick next year? why would we want a draft pick when we have a proven player at the most important position on the line. a pick is a gamble....whereas brown is the real thing

threads like this make me wonder if you guys know the importance of a talented offensive line

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what happens if hes all pro?

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A legend in one's own mind!

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Cancer starts with 1 bad cell (something really small). You say yourself it showed a lack of professionalism and maturity, so I assume you're saying we want that on the team? Yes, it was a bad trade and I would've made him honor his damn contract and shut the hell up or fine him every chance I got but the team obviously knows more than the both of us or they would've made the trade.

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He WAS an all pro ... time will tell IF he ever is again.... We all hope for the best. A Willie Roaf he is not, for sure. And btw ... how much did the Saints get for Willie in a trade to KC? A fourth comes to mind as well. It'll be interesting to see how JB performs with Super5 under center.

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Wow been away a few days and Brown gets traded..didnt have Sirius in the sons Honda..lol..oh well i was hoping we would hold out for a 2nd rd pick for him...Im hoping Bushrod and the coaching staff have a better game against D,Ware this yr...i want my bragging rights back here in Tx as the Cowgirl killers..lol...well goodluck J.B in Washington except against us and heres to our new J.B which i think is better at runblocking and gets less holding calls... getting even better this yr!..and dont forget we have Charlie Brown...lol..

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I dont understand the problem here. He was not going to sign a long term deal with the saints. He ws sitting out until he got traded or released. We held NO cards here. If we get a 3rd out of this then Loomis did great. Think about it, he was going to sit ALL season or be released. We were lucky to get anything. We won a superbowl without him and can do it again.:bng:

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So what? What happens if Bushrod does? I think Bushrod will have a better year. Anything you might wanna bet?

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I agree with what most people have to say on this board.We got something were we almost got nothing.So I'm happy with that.He WAS a great player.

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Charlie brown got our back but who knows what bushrod may turn out to be. Colston (diamond in the ruff) time will tell! Let go of jammal and he'll grab somebody else for a flag! Who-Dat good luck weak knees'/drive killer. Dam good player who held at the wrong possible times!!all pro ..yep@times.. Bushrod should make a repeating effort to hold his own! Bushrod I think will own up to the player he has the potential to be!he'll have something for ware and freeney next go round ;peppers too!GOTTA BELIEVE.. Let's cash in another title CHA-CHING

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I'll wade in here.

Agreed. Brown was not that.
As is his right. But I think he still made a mistake on two fronts. First is thinking that the time was right for him to ask for his deal. Brown has not played a meaningful football game in nearly 18 months. While of course he was a Pro Bowl caliber tackle at that time, truthfully all bets are now off.

Second was holding out. I think we should have signed the OTA waiver, gotten into the organization, and try to show them what they would be getting. Then if by the end of OTAs nothing was happening, make another move then.

But now he's playing for the same $3.6 million the Saints would have payed him. But now he's in Washington instead of playing for the Champs and with the best QB in the game.

Brown thought he had done enough to earn the Big Ticket contract. But in fact he's going to play another year on limited money. I think he made a bad bet not playing with Brees. McNabb is pretty good. Brees is much better at this point in both of their careers.

It wasn't. It could have lingered on becoming a protracted holdout battle. From the looks of it the Saints did Brown a favor. I think the decision had already been made that Brown wasn't going to get a long term contract without playing a year under the tender. The Brown camp seemed adamant that he get a long term deal or he would sit. It's a stalemate. One the Saints honestly could have afforded to wait out as they have enough tackles in camp to play an entire season without Brown.

But Brown was stuck. If he wasn't going to play for the Saints for the tender amount, then he wasn't going to play this year. Or drag in at week 10 and be totally useless to anyone, including himself.

The Saints could have fined him into much less money. Or they could have simply waited until after training camp started to make Brown available.

Brown is going to get a chance to start this year. A chance to gel with the O-line and McNabb in Washington.

Again I think the Saints did him a favor.

Because he wasn't going to play and the team did not know what his current status is. Also there could have been the simple decision that with so may other needs to be filled, that they couldn't afford to pay a premier left tackle premier left tackle money.

The platoon of Brees, Payton, Bushrod, Streif, and Thomas succeed as a group in winning the SB. While Brown certainly can function on an island, and Bushrod has yet to prove that he can, that battery can motivate a functional #1 offense.
Of course. Did you notice that the Saints did pay the talent?

SFIAH

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Well put on your GM hat and tell me what you would have done. All options had issues:

1) Pay Brown premier LT money. Turns out he's not the same. Oops!

2) Let Brown hold out. Still don't have his services. He won't sign a long term deal with you and walks away with you getting nothing. Oops!

3) Pay Brown the money and he is the same. Not as obvious as the other two. How much better can the offense be with him as opposed to without him? If you pay him the $9 million+ that premier LTs get in this league, then who do you not pay? Thomas? Harper? Cut Reggie and save $8 million?

4) Trade him for Haynesworth? The worst type of cancer?

Get a decent pick. Use it or package the pick and get something better. And something you can afford.

If GMing were easy then every GM would have a SB under their belt. Loomis does. Think about it.

SFIAH

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The New Orleans Saints agreed to send disgruntled offensive tackle Jammal Brown to the Washington Redskins on Saturday.

Brown, who missed the entire 2009 season with hip and sports hernia injuries, signed his $3.62 million tender offer before the trade. He skipped the Saints' voluntary workouts this offseason because he was unhappy with the tender, along with the fact that he might have to compete with Jermon Bushrod to regain his starting job.


Yasinskas: Moving On
Jermon Bushrod may not have the upside of the departed Jammal Brown, but he showed last year he can carry his own weight, Pat Yasinskas writes. Blog


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Though it's uncertain which side of the line he'll play on, offensive tackle Jammal Brown may be an excellent fit for Washington, Matt Mosley writes. Blog

The Saints' compensation in the deal is tied to the Redskins' trade with the Eagles for quarterback Donovan McNabb in April.

Washington will now be without its third- and fourth-round draft picks in 2011, but it will also get back a later pick from New Orleans.

Washington owes the Eagles a third- or fourth-round pick in 2011 for McNabb, based on how the quarterback plays or the team performs. If the Redskins win nine games, go to the playoffs or McNabb gets selected to the Pro Bowl, Philadelphia will receive Washington's third-round pick and New Orleans will get Washington's fourth. If none of those happen, the Eagles will get the Redskins' fourth-round pick and the Saints will get the Redskins' third-round pick.

If New Orleans receives Washington's third-round pick, then the Redskins will get a 2011 fifth-round pick back from the Saints. However, if Washington's third-round pick goes to Philadelphia, then the Saints will send a 2011 sixth- or seventh-round pick back to the Redskins.

There is also a conditional 2012 sixth-round pick involved. Should Brown play 90 percent of the plays next season or get voted to the Pro Bowl, Washington will send its 2012 sixth-round pick to New Orleans. After Saturday's trade, Washington has six picks left in the 2011 draft.

Brown could be the solution at right tackle for the Redskins, who are rebuilding the line under new coach Mike Shanahan after last year's 4-12 season.

Washington took Trent Williams of Oklahoma with the No. 4 overall pick in April's draft to replace retired six-time Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels. Artis Hicks has worked with the first-string unit at right tackle during the offseason, but he could move to right guard to make room for Brown.

Brown started 58 games for the Saints in five seasons before the injuries sidelined him last year. Bushrod, nicknamed "Big Neck," started 15 games in place of Brown during the 2009 regular season, when the Saints allowed only 20 sacks, fourth-fewest in the NFL.

The 6-foot-4, 325-pound Bushrod was a fourth-round choice in the 2007 draft from Towson. He did not play a regular-season snap on the offensive line during his first two seasons.

Brown, 29, was the No. 13 overall selection in the 2005 draft from Oklahoma. The 6-foot-6, 313-pounder was selected to the Pro Bowl following the 2006 and 2008 seasons. He has only one year remaining on his contract, but the Redskins ultimately want to keep him.

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Gives us a lil lagniappe to pull for redskins to break even at 8-8;I know what non saints games I'll be following

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You know, I don't understand this infatuation with Brown, from some of the fans on here. He hasn't played a game, since 08, what exactly makes this guy so irreplaceable? Our best offensive lineman? With Bushrod last year, the Saints gave up the fewest sacks in the league I do believe. While leading the number one offense to a superbowl win. When we were discussing the re-signing of Sharper, people were jumping on him with both feet in here, calling him old and greedy, and "re-placeable", while sitting in the Jammal Brown section, talking about what a great player he is, and how we should keep him, no matter what the cost. DIDN'T PLAY THE ENTIRE SUPERBOWL SEASON, but he is the best o-linemen on the team. Am I the only one that finds this reasoning completely ludicrous? Good riddance, good bye Brown, and have a nice life. Should have been done before the draft this year.

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Reminds me of Lecharles Bentley and where is he now?

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Exactly. Bushrod had ONE bad game, against the cowboys, and now he's not as good as Brown? Give me a break.

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So far he hasn't been as good as Brown. We succeeded with our backup last year but that was because of excellent coaching and schemes designed to give Bushrod help at LT. He has potential to get better but so do the people playing opposite him rushing the QB. Brown was good but not that good. I'm glad Brown's gone..........it would have been good to have him but the untimely penalties and injuries were just too costly.

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just as ludicrous as saying we are better without him because we won the super bowl without him......or saying that bushrod is better and can carry his own weight because our offensive line as a whole gave up the fewest sacks in the league

neither of those arguments make any sense

one bad game? nearly half of the sacks our offensive line gave up were from bushrod and several of the tackles for loss that we had were his fault as well

there isnt a single thing bushrod does better than brown and we are going to be hurting at tackle this season because of ignorance and lack of talent

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Look, the coaches knew there was a very good chance Jammal wouldn't be a Saint for much longer - it became clear to Brown when we drafted another LT. He wanted out and his wish was granted. JB's discontent wasn't drawn out and it didn't get ugly...what more could either side ask for???

It's time to start focusing on our future LT, Charles Brown. The kid has tremendous upside and should challenge Bushrod for the starting role.

With Jammal's departure, we're left with a solid/serviceable LT in Bushrod and a kid who could realistically be Brees' LT until he retires.

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The Saints have a bunch of people who need to be paid
and making a mistake on Brown wasn't one luxury they could afford.

Injuries made him a little long in the tooth and the timing was right to go in another direction.

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These kinds of things happen in the NFL. We'll never know if JB would have stepped back into his spot and shined like a new diamond. We'll have to wait on Bushrod's follow up performance and wait to see if McNabb is getting his head taken off in Washington. Brown did his job while he was in Black&Gold...ThankYou Sir! Live well and prosper until we have to see you again. If young Brown beats out Bushrod then that's a plus. If young Brown forces Bushrod to raise his level of play to keep his job, then that's a plus. Hopefully everybody wins from this one.

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Ok Canton, Shut up after seeing these stats. Get off your knees and stop the Brown worshiping.

Between the Lines: Sacks Allowed, Team By Team -- NFL FanHouse

try reading stats before opening your mouth

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Looks like he knew the handwriting was on the wall...

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lol as the sole supporter of brown i feel like my past posts have spoken for themselves

sacks are credited to linemen.....not QBs....if bushrods guy tackled the QB then its a sack credited to the lineman....however, this website admits having a bias in counting stats by claiming that it is the QB who was responsible

you are going to tell me that the QB with the quickest release in the NFL is responsible for bushrod's guy hitting him?

go find me another link to prove your point cuz that one didnt work

oh yea and bushrod was credited with allowing 7.5 or 8 sacks this season dependin on how you count the game

as for holding penalties and false starts? thats one thing i would like to find out cuz i havent been able to find them yet

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I like the idea that the Saints got rid of Jamal Brown. I don't like the fact that they gave him away for a song. He was a 1st round pick and a probowler. They should have gotten at least a second round pick even though he was hurt for the past 2 years. He'll move to the right side and be more dominant. So, a second round pick wouldn't have been too much to ask.

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5.5 sacks. Brown in his all pro year allowed 4. I bet Brown had ALOT more holds and false starts. Ill find them

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thats a q&a that rubs me wrong. quote= i'll play where ever they want me to play. i'll do whatever they want me to do. that right there pi#@# me off he playing for the same money in wash. he'll move to right tackle,do whatever. tell me this J.B. why did'nt you stay and fight for your job in new orleans? i think you could'nt get your job back, which would have lessoned your stock, and you knew it. bye, idios syronota this is it. ta ta.

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TALKING ABOUT DALLAS. they had been talking to the saints on aquirring j. brown the same day washington took him with the performance deal.
there was no way we send him to dallas without a better deal than the 3rd or 4th pick. from wash.

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hey guess what....i just told you that bushrod allowed 7.5 sacks last season....nearly half of what our entire team allowed

that article you posted is complete bs because the author even stated that some of the sacks he didnt credit to the offensive linemen....so really its at his own discretion how many sacks each player allowed and not an actual tally of statistics

direct quote from the article you posted

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They let Willie Roaf go for a fourth if I remember correctly ... and he's a HOF player. Bushrod did have one really bad game against Dallas ... they did not game plan for Ware when they were hiding if he was going to play... a lesson they learned later when they faced Freeney in the SB. If you take away that game, his stats don't look so bad. Flozell Adams is regarded as an all Pro and had more sacks. Does that say anything?

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flozell adams is not a pass blocking DE.....he has consistantly had the most holding penalties in the league over the past several seasons and he was not traded.....he was released

willie roaf was traded after his 9th season and was past his prime

jammal brown has only played 5 seasons and is currently in his prime

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Then why did they trade him? For a conditional pick, no less...

I won't debate it any further, I'll just wait to see how he performs in WA.

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and who is this fellow?

Justin Smiley NO 1 3

dont remember him playing for new orleans at all this season.....oh thats right.....he didnt

this article isnt credible at all

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True ... However, Roaf did play another 4 years ...
Willie Roaf
And it's not like he couldn't have played even longer ... he retired prematurely.

Jammal has been hurt over 20% of his playing career. While he is good, it was nice not to hear about holding penalties.
Jammal Brown

It'll be interesting to see how he does with Super5 under center. His release is definitely not as quick as Breesus'.