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Brooks said he is not concerned by his team's inability to score early.

"Does it mean we're not prepared or not ready to play? No, it just means the defense is ready to play," Brooks said. "The whole thing is overblown. Most games are won in the last minute of the game anyway, whether you jump out in front or not.

This quote from the Times Picayune is proof positive that this bum is not a competitor and will NEVER be the qb to lead this taem. In his mind, the first three quarters don't matter and he'll just try to win it in the end. That would explain our terrible first half performances week to week by the offense. THIS GUY SUCKS AND I HATE HIM!

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I knew when I read that this morning that you or BrooksMustGo was going to jump on it. The sad thing is...I, unfortumately, cannot disagree. If he truly feels that way, then he should be gone. With the defense we have, we should be trying to score early and often.

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I guess Indy\'s inablility to score early on really hurt them when they played TB.
I personally thought that quote was in reference to the Saints not being able to score on their first posession. Not the way Swampy took it, of not wanting to score until the last 2 min.

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I think SwampDog needs to include a link to all articles he posts. First of all, this isn\'t all of the article and secondly I don\'t trust any information he brings to this board about Aaron Brooks.


Brooks DID NOT say he wasn\'t concerned about the inability to score early. He said: It was being overblown. He\'s also right about most games are won in the 4th quarter. I wouldn\'t have worded it exactly like Brooks did, but some people want to make it sound like Brooks doesn\'t even try in the 1st 3 quarters.

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I don\'t need to include a link. A posted the Times Pic as the reference and I copied and pasted the exact quote. Show me a qb that says, \"My job and the offenses job is to score on every possesion. That is our job to be successful on every drive\" and I\'ll show you a gunslinger, who wants to win on every down. Show me a guy who says, \"It doesn\'t matter how much you score early anyway. Games usually go down to the last minute anyway\" and I\'ll show you a guy who hasn\'t been to the postseason in two years in a row and is 1-4 as a starter this year.

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Dog I know exactly where you got that quote from and it was off SaintsReport.com that someone else posted, which is why you can\'t provide a link. How do you know it\'s from the Times Picayune? It is from the Times but maybe you need to make sure because someone else could just be posting garbage.

Like I said, I wouldn\'t have worded it the way he did, but you are making way more of it then what it is. Why can\'t you just take something at face value rather than turning it into something to further your agenda against Brooks?

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maybe I\'m not reading the same article?
Uh, where exactly did AB say that? I can\'t seem to find it.
If we\'re only going to post parts of the article in order to futher our agenda; then here\'s what I saw
Meaning that he says they are prepared and ready to play...

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canucksaint -- Exactly !!

I know for a fact JoeSam does not like for anyone to be posting articles without proof where they came from. I have no problem with anyone giving their opinions but some people that read this site for information will be mighty misinformed reading untrue or half true articles. canucksaint gave a great example of how anyone can take anything out of context. I\'m sure you\'ll hear from JoeSam

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BillyC, how dare you question my posts! Who the f are you anyway? Do you really think I would take the time to make up this kind of blast on Brooks? He does it himself almost weekly! I guess I\'m the one who was trying to get Joe Montana in here to try and get Brooks to be a \"leader\". Yeah, I guess I\'m the one who sent him to leadership classes. Brooks is a joke and so are you. Here is the article by Brian Allee Walsh in it\'s entirety. If this ain\'t good enough then you are in more denial than I thought.


FALSE START: Saints look to improve team\'s bad beginnings



Thursday October 09, 2003


By Brian Allee-Walsh
Staff writer

Saints offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy is searching for ways to jump-start an offense that has struggled in the first quarter this season.


-- The offense has produced 10 points in the opening quarter of the first five games, or one point for every 7 ½ minutes.

-- It has not scored on its five opening possessions this season, continuing a disturbing offensive trend under Coach Jim Haslett.

r In 53 regular-season games since 2000, the Saints have scored only five touchdowns on their opening possession, only once in their past 21 games. That touchdown came against the San Francisco 49ers in Game 7 last season. Deuce McAllister caught a 4-yard scoring pass from quarterback Aaron Brooks.

McCarthy hopes to change his unit\'s first-possession blahs, beginning Sunday against the Chicago Bears at the Superdome.

\"We have not started fast since I\'ve been here,\" McCarthy said Wednesday. \"It\'s something we\'ve addressed, but we haven\'t accomplished it. Obviously, it\'s an area we need to do better.

\"We addressed it this morning in depth in our offensive meeting. We actually went through every play, every first series of the first five games. Our emphasis this week is going to be start fast, play with urgency and we\'ve got to get on the board right away. That would be the best thing for our team right now.\"

McCarthy discovered a common denominator on their first five possessions against Seattle, Houston, Tennessee, Indianapolis and Carolina.

\"We had self-inflicted wounds; quarterback pressures, dropped balls, penalties, things that you can attribute to yourself,\" McCarthy said. \"Of the first five series, only once did we give credit to the defense. We credited Tennessee for stopping us. But in the other four games, we stopped ourselves.\"

Brooks said he is not concerned by his team\'s inability to score early.

\"Does it mean we\'re not prepared or not ready to play? No, it just means the defense is ready to play,\" Brooks said. \"The whole thing is overblown. Most games are won in the last minute of the game anyway, whether you jump out in front or not.

\"A prime example was Monday night. Tampa Bay went up 21-0 and Indianapolis came back to win, so whether the (Colts) scored on the first drive or not didn\'t mean anything. What counts is how well you play in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line.\"

Saints right guard LeCharles Bentley said the coaching staff is trying to emphasize the importance of the offense getting off to a productive start against the Bears.

\"Usually that first series you try to chill out and see what\'s going on,\" Bentley said. \"But we\'ve got to put some points on the board. We\'ve got so many weapons we should be able to score a lot, quite frankly. So there\'s no reason why we shouldn\'t be scoring more.\"

Each game, McCarthy scripts the first 17 offensive plays -- \"those are my best first- and second-down thoughts,\" he said -- and he sees no reason to deviate from that plan.

\"Any time there\'s a problem we evaluate it,\" McCarthy said. \"If I need to change I\'d change it. But I don\'t think the 17 plays are inhibiting us at all.

\"I think what happens is there\'s such a fine line in this business of producing and not producing and we\'ve got to close that small gap. The Carolina game is a perfect example of it. We did so many positive things. Then you get done watching the film, and say, \'Holy cow! We only scored 13 points.\' That\'s a hard game to raise hell with your players afterward.

\"But we\'re going to stay aggressive in our approach because it fits the style of players that we have. We\'re going to keep doing what we\'re doing, we\'ve just got to do it better.\"

. . . . . . .


Brian Allee-Walsh can be reached at ballee-walsh@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3805.

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Please note the IDIOTIC quotes , \"How can you get on your team after the Carolina game and we did a lot of positive things\". And you wonder why we are losing.

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Brooks said he is not concerned by his team\'s inability to score early.

\"Does it mean we\'re not prepared or not ready to play? No, it just means the defense is ready to play,\" Brooks said. \"The whole thing is overblown. Most games are won in the last minute of the game anyway, whether you jump out in front or not.

A prime example was Monday night. Tampa Bay went up 21-0 and Indianapolis came back to win, so whether the (Colts) scored on the first drive or not didn\'t mean anything. What counts is how well you play in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line.\"

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...7982172740.xml

Now, I\'ve always been a pretty big supporter of Ab. If you don\'t believe me, go read my posts. What you\'ll find is that my belief in him has begun to fade this season. Fading, not because it is all his fault, but his attitude always appears incorrect. He shouldn\'t say things that would lead others to surmize that he isn\'t concerned about the offense\'s inablity to score early.

In my opinion that is one of the biggest problems right now because we don\'t have a defense that is likely to hold anybody from scoring in the second half when we need them to so our late starting offense can catch up.

Against both the Seahawks and the Titans we got behind early and then in the second half our offense scored TD\'s. Problem was on the very next drive the opponent took the ball on a long drive and matched the TD. We MUST score early and McCarthy and Brooks don\'t seem concerned.

That should concern us as fans regardless of which player you love/hate.

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Is that suppose to scare me? Why didn\'t you post the entire article in the first place? And yes i think you would make it up !!

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Scare you! Please, don\'t make me laugh. I didn\'t post the whole thing BECAUSE LOOK AT HOW F\'N LONG IT IS! Or did you not see the title of this thread. It was Brooks comment that was the focal point. Dude, what schools did you go to? I suggest you take some english/basic writing classes. Perhaps, those might better help you to understand, the body of ANY work should, IN SOME WAY, relate to the title of said work. Get my point here, skippy. I was trying to save some on here the pain of reading McCarthy\'s assinine comments along with Brooks\'. To save some time, the title of this thread is \"Yet another reason why Brooks needs to get benched and traded\". Hence, only Brooks quote.

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Anyway, Swampdog, I think you should post at minimum a link to your quote for two reasons:

a) it\'ll make it easier for other\'s to go read it for themselves and since you\'re there anyway you might as well copy the link; and

b) most importantly, it gives your comments credibility. I always go check out the source of a post because if it isn\'t verifiable it is not worth debating.

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My god! Let me put it to you this way, if you don\'t think my post is credible. Then go look for it yourself. I have NEVER, NOT ONE TIME, posted a quote or quotes that I have made up. I mean come on! Integrity is a funny word on a sports message board on the internet, but give me a break already! I put a damn reference that it came from the Times Pic. If that ain\'t good enough then be my guest to do a reference check. Really, does the quote sound unlike Brooks? The guy insutls himself, he doesn\'t need any help from me.

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Look Dog -- It\'s not up to everyone else to go look and see if your posts are crediable. That\'s your job. We wouldn\'t even be having this conversation if you would have provided a link. Because you are so biased against Brooks, one would certainly be suspect about any articles you post about him. Personally, I could care less about what opinions you post on here, but the articles need to be crediable.

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Look, one of the rules posted at the top of this board which you have obviously overlooked, despite me even posting the link in one of your other lame-ass threads, states that if you are going to quote another site, you are to post the link as well. Jesus H. Christ, your may not have finished the job with the , but evidentally it wasn\'t for a lack of trying.

[Edited on 9/10/2003 by BlackandBlue]


And to think I was just praiseing you on another thread? LOL

[Edited on 10/10/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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They are credible because I say they are credible. Listen, you want links fine, but I\'m telling you right now, I don\'t post trash links, stories etc. You have my word on that. And personally, (and don\'t take this the wrong way) I don\'t give a good crap whether you believe my posts are not. I know for a fact they are true and stand on their own merit. It\'s on you if you believe them or not. You do, great. If not, research it. I really don\'t think if I made something up, I would say I got it from the Times Pic. Not only would it be retarded, it would be a waste of time.

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So what B and B? I gave the reference to the Times Pic. Unless there are some internet, message board police,

[Edited on 10/10/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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Then why in the **** do you continue to be the black stain of these message boards???

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LOL
:P

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Now why didn\'t you just say that in the first place?? :casstet:

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It has been forever since I last posted here, but feel compelled to now. I used to be a regular poster on this board about 2-3 years ago. Now those who were posting on this board long ago know that there are certain people who post for no reason other than to take the unpopular side, to cause discussion, to cause drama if you will. I remember back in the day a poster named \"gumbo\" or \"gumbeaux\" (not sure if it is the same gumbo that posts here) used to take the other side of almost every argument. Now it seems as though Billy Carpenter is taking his turn as devil\'s advocate. Is there anything wrong with that . . . no not really. In fact it makes things interesting on a web board. If we all agreed on everything then there really wouldn\'t be much discussion going on. With that said, those who chose to engage Billy Carpenter in these debates need to try your best to keep your emotions at a civilized level. Billy Carpenter is going to say things that will get under our skin, like in this post; however, that seems to be his purpose on his board. Just realize that, back up your arguments with facts and rational ideas, and let him try to defend his.

Now with that said:

Aaron Brooks\' development time is over. He has almost 3 seasons as a starter, has been in the league 5 years, and is in one of the most talented offenses at the skill positions in this league. He has regressed ever since being named starter. I have never heard him take blame for anything. He smiles when he screws up, when we are losing, when a loss knocks us out of the playoffs, when we lose to the worst team in the league, when we get whipped on national tv. Those of you who use the \"it\'s a defense mechanism\" excuse need to wake up. Yeah I bought that excuse for about a season but I have played on enough crappy losing teams to know what all the smiling is about . . . it\'s when someone doesn\'t care. Those of yall who want to defend him by posting his statistical numbers can throw that in the garbage. Yeah I bought into the numbers myself but after studying last season and this season, the only reason his numbers are good is because of the people that surround him. Will we win with Aaron Brooks, yeah he is good for between 6-9 wins in our offense depending on who our opponents are. Will he get us to the SuperBowl . . . NO! too inconsistent. Look at the past 4-5 SuperBowl QB\'s and you can see a pattern. No they may not be the most stellar QB\'s but the one thing all of them were . . . consistent. Brooks can\'t play consistent b/c he doesn\'t read the defense at the line, won\'t audible out, won\'t audible pass protection. I\'m not saying he can\'t read defenses at the line . . . I\'m saying he doesn\'t. As long as he does taht and if his accuracy problems continue he will never get us anywhere. A 9-7 record used to sneak you in the wild cards . . . now the way divisions are set up you will be lucky to get into the wild cards with a 10-6 record

I think it\'s time the Saints invest a high draft pick into a franchise QB. It\'s been a good 10 years or maybe more since we did that.

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Thank you Seraph, you have some intelligence.

B and B, here is your link. You should know better than to go out in public without your chompers.

http://www.uglypeople.com/voting.php...dubWFulmpwZW==

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seraph33 -- Geeez. There are more people that read this board than I thought. First off, I don\'t try to play devil\'s advocate. I say what I believe. I\'d be happy to go into further detail about myself at your earliest convience !!

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It would be different if you were funny, some here don’t like Billy, but at least he makes me laugh. You’re not even creative, it’s like reading the trash on the elementary school bathroom walls- lacks intelligence, personality, humor, and would only entertain the imbecilic. Aside from your comedy career, you’re nothing more than a cancer, malignant at that because you won’t go the **** away. Maybe that was a little harsh, perhaps you’re more like that crust in the corner of your eye. You wipe it away and are happy for the time being, only to find it right back in the same spot the next morning. Or better yet, since you won’t go away, I’ll nickname you “Curious George�- the little brazen monkey flingling poo everywhere because he doesn’t know any better, yet in his simian little brain he feels that this is the right thing to do. Well guess what, George, you just ran into the 800 pound gorilla, and I’m going to haunt you for the rest of your time here at the boards. And by haunt, I mean, I am going to follow you, on every thread and every post, and hammer you anytime you get out of line. We all know this is a message board, so there really is no reason for people to fear one another, because we are all safely tucked behind our computer screens. So try not to read too much into it and have a pleasant stay!

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No thanks I have read enough of your posts to know your stance on things.

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Well..............ok. But, I haven\'t read enough of your posts to know where you stand. What was your name back a few years ago? I see that you have very few posts under your new name. Is there a reason you changed your name? Is there a reason you stopped posting?

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I had the same user name. When they redid the board like 2 years ago i guess they deleted my account. I have been posting on www.neworleansprofootball.com lately. I used to come to this board all the time when i was 17-20 and I\'m 22 now so that would make like 2 years ago.

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seraph33 --

Cool. Well, I hope you start posting here on a regular basis. Our favorite subject here is Aaron Brooks and our 2nd favorite subject is \"Why we don\'t like Billy\" !! I see you\'ve already commented on both. Keep up the good work. Me and Aaron ain\'t bad guys. Just misunderstood.

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FYI, post the link. No problems with a link posted.

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I\'m more of a reader than a poster, but the last couple of weeks\' banter on the board has me concerned. Many of you may not give a rat\'s rear end hair what I think, but here goes...

Every once in a while, it\'s nice to here a little, friendly, competitive testosterone-banter; however, the verbiage currently being exchanged between Billy and SDog has reached a new low. Personal attacks, name calling and genital-measuring contests may be entertaining for those involved, but like hockey and Nascar, neither are very must fun to watch. This board is a PUBLIC board, so those of us who watch do have a say in what the two of you say to and about each other. If you really must insult each other, then swap email addresses or phone numbers. Heck, if neither of those two options excites you, I\'m willing to start a collection to buy one or both of you a ticket to visit one another and work out your differences.

I (and I suspect many others on this board) view BandG as sort of a haven from the many other asinine Saints fan boards (NOLA comes to mind). I don\'t mind hearing people argue about what the team is or is not doing right, but the childish personal attacks just are not necessary.

Billy, you make some great points, perform admirably as a devil\'s advocate and newsreporter, and show us what being a true supporter of a player is all about. Just stop responding if this dude gets under your skin so badly.

Dog, the rules were here before you were. Please follow them. Stop the name-calling, the general insults and the arrogant banter. No, I\'m not in charge of anything. I\'m just trying to give you the viewpoint of third-party viewers. A little charisma goes a long way.

I\'m not trying to sound holier-than-thou. I really enjoy visiting this board, but if I wanted to listen to this kinda chatter and bs, I\'d go hang out at the playground at the local middle-school.

Just my two cents. Do with it what you will.

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Wow, where is all this BMG hostility coming from? I don\'t understand?

I don\'t come onto this board attacking other posters. I do have an opinion, but I hope that I\'m expressing it lucidly and in a reasonable manner. I don\'t hate AB, I simply think that after 3 seasons as a starter that he\'s show about all he\'s going to show.

I know that Rick Gannon took a while to develop, as did Tommy Maddox, but neither of those guys had teams willing to spend years starting them until they could play the position.

However, the very argument that a lot of the pro-Brooks crowd uses is the same one I like for trading him. He\'s in his prime. I think that plenty of teams would give up way too much pursuing potential. I think that we could get great value for him. I\'m not saying to cut him. I\'m not even saying to bench him. I\'m totally OK to let him pad his stats all season long, keep losing and then trade him. As he doesn\'t seem to take much responsibility for anything, it shouldn\'t be too hard to get him to come out with some sort of \"diamond surrounded by trash\" comment at season\'s end and allow us to shop him and get great value for him.

At any rate, if I\'ve caused offense or hurt feelings, please accept my apologies. I have no desire to do that. I think we probably need a total rebuild and Brooks could be our very own Herschel Walker.

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Billy ,
I think you are one up on Brooks .

Brooks - Trying to hit a receiver , usually high and off the mark
Billy - Making a post point , usually wide and off the point .

Brooks - Can\'t read defenses
Billy - has trouble reading a post throughly

Brooks - loses he has a horrible excuse
Billy - loses or is wrong admits it .

Yep Billy your one up ..... :P

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BMG, there was certainly no hositlity intended towards you when I made that comment you quoted above. Fact is, your namesake fairly illustrates how you feel about Brooks and I\'ve never seen a post from you that has anything positive to say about him. Not that you haven\'t made one. I might have missed it.

The reason I said that was because in my mind there are two people here who are aggressively anti-Brooks - you and Swampdog. My intention was to say that there was something so wrong with what AB said there, that I figured his most aggressive detractors would jump right on it.

I apologize as well if you took that as an insult as that was definitely not my intention.

btw, I can\'t recall anything you\'ve ever posted that was offensive to me. I was just lumping you in with the anti-Brooks group.

[Edited on 10/10/2003 by ScottyRo]

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Hockey is not fun to watch??? I take more offence to that statement than anything Swampy has posted ;)

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I agree, canucksaint, opening day was Wednesday and I had a freakin blast at the Stars game. I cannot imagine anyone saying that hockey is boring, unless they\'ve never been to a live game.

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I\'ve been to 5 NHL games and 4 Brass games. I have to say that without a doubt, hockey is the most action deprived sport of the big four. Nothing personal, but sitting through a 1-1 tie is like watching paint dry. The only thing more boring is soccer.

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That was a great game to watch. You guys walked all over the ducks. I can\'t wait for the Leafs/ Habs game.
I love this time of year. Football and Hockey... it can\'t get any better... well it only can get better when my teams start to win. :D

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Swampy, it depends where you watch and who is playing. I don\'t know about the teams down there, and how the fans are. But up in Toronto, the games are huge, and the atmosphere is amazing. Hockey is as close to a religion as we get.
As for comparing the big 4 on action deprived, I think Homer Simpson said it best when talking about baseball \"I never realized how boring this game is without beer\"