The two-point subversion

neugey · 09-21-2010, 09:08 AM

Glad we eeked out the win, but I still can't believe that call on the 2-point conversion overrule in favor of the 49ers.

To me, the replay clearly showed that VD didn't demonstrate possession or secure the ball until his momentum took him out of the endzone. That ball was moving around, he didn't have it trapped against his body. And looking at it full-speed, not even the 49ers fans thought he got the conversion.

Did the officials look at that doctored composite photo that they showed on TV? I hope not, because they're supposed to use video replay, not a photo. How else could they see conclusive evidence to overrule the play on the field? The replay verdict came out too quickly and was very fishy.

Again, glad it didn't cost us, just added to Brees game-winning drive career stats

saintsfan1976 · 09-21-2010, 09:17 AM

I'm more concerned with the defense as a whole.

Cruize · 09-21-2010, 09:21 AM

I thought it was good live. After the replay, it was good. However they got there, they made the correct call.

fhotard · 09-21-2010, 09:30 AM

I think it was the right call. Just glad the Saints came back with the winning FG.

RaginCajun83 · 09-21-2010, 09:44 AM

The refs got it right, D needs to wake up so it doesn't come down to plays like that at the end of games

Euphoria · 09-21-2010, 09:55 AM

Our D is exactly what it was last year. We are winning exactly the way we did last year. We didn't dominate every game and you have to win games like this.
I do have to agree with the conversion though... I don't think there is enough to really overturn the call. You have to clearly see the ball break the plan.
I read Singletary's lips and his argument was that his feet were in the end zone and that isn't a valid argument.

TheOak · 09-21-2010, 11:41 AM

Conversion call was good. We need to stop... It sounds too much like winning and whining..

Our D preforming as it did last year, does not help this year when our O is not preforming as it did last year...

I know it is only week two.. I would actually prefer to peak at the end of the season rather than what we did last year at the start...

That being said. I can not look dead in someones eye presently and tell him "We WILL out score your team. We do not need to stop them".... as I could last year.

SapperSaint · 09-21-2010, 11:46 AM

The 2pts was good. It doesn't matter anymore. Last night = "W" for Saints.

Rugby Saint II · 09-22-2010, 03:52 PM

At first I thought it was no good, but I wasn't any closer than two feet from my 42".

darstep · 09-22-2010, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

The refs got it right, D needs to wake up so it doesn't come down to plays like that at the end of games

Both the offense and the defense have to work harder to take end-game heroics off of the table. Fumbles, pics, bad calls, overturned calls, great plays, poor throws, lapses in concentration, giveaways, takeaways all become mute when you are up by 17 (3 possessions) and time is running out.

09-21-2010, 09:08 AM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	The two-point subversion Glad we eeked out the win, but I still can't believe that call on the 2-point conversion overrule in favor of the 49ers. To me, the replay clearly showed that VD didn't demonstrate possession or secure the ball until his momentum took him out of the endzone. That ball was moving around, he didn't have it trapped against his body. And looking at it full-speed, not even the 49ers fans thought he got the conversion. Did the officials look at that doctored composite photo that they showed on TV? I hope not, because they're supposed to use video replay, not a photo. How else could they see conclusive evidence to overrule the play on the field? The replay verdict came out too quickly and was very fishy. Again, glad it didn't cost us, just added to Brees game-winning drive career stats

09-21-2010, 09:21 AM	#3
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	I thought it was good live. After the replay, it was good. However they got there, they made the correct call.
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09-21-2010, 11:41 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Conversion call was good. We need to stop... It sounds too much like winning and whining.. Our D preforming as it did last year, does not help this year when our O is not preforming as it did last year... I know it is only week two.. I would actually prefer to peak at the end of the season rather than what we did last year at the start... That being said. I can not look dead in someones eye presently and tell him "We WILL out score your team. We do not need to stop them".... as I could last year.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-22-2010, 04:12 PM	#10
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 The refs got it right, D needs to wake up so it doesn't come down to plays like that at the end of games Both the offense and the defense have to work harder to take end-game heroics off of the table. Fumbles, pics, bad calls, overturned calls, great plays, poor throws, lapses in concentration, giveaways, takeaways all become mute when you are up by 17 (3 possessions) and time is running out.

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fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	I think it was the right call. Just glad the Saints came back with the winning FG.

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RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	The refs got it right, D needs to wake up so it doesn't come down to plays like that at the end of games

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Our D is exactly what it was last year. We are winning exactly the way we did last year. We didn't dominate every game and you have to win games like this. I do have to agree with the conversion though... I don't think there is enough to really overturn the call. You have to clearly see the ball break the plan. I read Singletary's lips and his argument was that his feet were in the end zone and that isn't a valid argument.

09-21-2010, 11:46 AM	#8
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	The 2pts was good. It doesn't matter anymore. Last night = "W" for Saints.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	At first I thought it was no good, but I wasn't any closer than two feet from my 42".