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jlouhill 10-03-2010 06:37 PM

Is it just me or...
 
Does anyone else think something may be wrong with Drew's shoulder. He hasn't shown any physical signs to make me think this but his accuracy at times hasn't been there and he is not making many throws deep and when he does they are not on the mark like last year. I'm wondering if that surgically repaired shoulder isn't bothering him and they just aren't saying since he obviously can still function at a level that is acceptable. Maybe i'm just being paranoid but something isn't right. Anyone else have any thoughts on this.

TopCow 10-03-2010 07:09 PM

I've been seeing the same thing. Something is up with his accuracy. But also, the OLine isn't protecting at near the level that they did last season. Drew never got roughed up last year; this year he is getting rocked. Don't know.

jlouhill 10-03-2010 07:21 PM

You make a good point with the pressure. I have thought of that as well. I don't care who you are if you are pressured in the pocket it will affect your game. But I still think something is wrong. I hope I'm wrong about the shoulder.

winmill1 10-03-2010 08:31 PM

he is having to dance around like I have never seen before. Our O line is giving him happy feet syndrome. Our receivers aren't getting great seperation either though.

D_it_up 10-03-2010 08:38 PM

I don't know what all the concern is over Drew's shoulder. He's completed almost 75% of his passes through the first four games. Take away several dropped passes, and his percentage would be around 80% or above. I think people are reading way too much into this about Drew. If you notice, secondaries are giving up the short passes in order to take away the big play. If the opportunity isn't there to go deep, Drew isn't going to take it. That's just a sign of being a smart QB, not because anything is wrong with his shoulder. Take last week for instance in the Falcons game. He threw one of the prettiest deep balls possible and hit Devery in stride. DH just didn't come down with it. I'm sure many of us are trying to figure out exactly what it is that is holding the Saints back from playing like they did last year. Could it be that teams have figured out Sean Payton's mad genius offense? Maybe. Could it be the dreaded Super Bowl hangover? Possibly. There are several factors that could come into play in why the Saints are struggling offensively, but I honestly don't think Drew's shoulder is one of the problems.

winmill1 10-03-2010 08:42 PM

Our O isn't really struggling. We are moving the ball just not as good in the Red zone. We will get it cleaned up.

arsaint 10-03-2010 08:42 PM

IMO, this year the running game has held us back (good effort today), TOO MANY TURNOVERS committed and not enough forced, and the pass blocking has not been as good.

I would throw in that we have little pass rush on D, but that is no different than last year...

winmill1 10-03-2010 08:45 PM

Yeah but last year our blitz schemes were very creative, not so much yet this year. Sharper's absence may be causing that.

RockyMountainSaint 10-03-2010 09:05 PM

I don't know what the problem is but I do know that this team is talented as all hell. They are extremely well coached. They will get it together and then the league had better watch out again!

CashAndFlash 10-03-2010 09:09 PM

I think Drew Brees is a great quarterback, but we're used to seeing him just absolutely "on fire" 90% of the time- something seems to have doused the flames. I don't know what's going on, but I doubt that he's hurt- he doesn't show any signs of favoring the arm after throws or anything like that. I just think we're not clicking, and Drew is getting dispirited. I think that's the best case scenario at this point.

DrewDat 10-03-2010 09:18 PM

Problem on Offense: We Need A Three Headed Running Back Monster Like Last Season.....Solution: When P.T. and Reggie Return..We Put Betts As The Bruiser To Take The Place Mike Bell Had Last Year

Problem On Defense: With The Lost Of Sharper And Our Low Selection Of LB's We Have Gone More Conservative On The Pass Rush
Solution: Sharper Returns Healthy And Our LB's Pick It Up

|Mitch| 10-03-2010 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DrewDat (Post 251644)
Problem on Offense: We Need A Three Headed Running Back Monster Like Last Season.....Solution: When P.T. and Reggie Return..We Put Betts As The Bruiser To Take The Place Mike Bell Had Last Year

Problem On Defense: With The Lost Of Sharper And Our Low Selection Of LB's We Have Gone More Conservative On The Pass Rush
Solution: Sharper Returns Healthy And Our LB's Pick It Up

I agree 100%!

st thomas 10-03-2010 11:45 PM

does anyone remember all thee lectures and points of interest about all defenses against the world champions. i have to remind myslf every sunday. WE WILL GET EVERYONE'S A GAME. nomatter how good or bad they have been THIS IS THERE SHOT AT BEATING THE BEST FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE WORLD. would'nt you bring your best shot at the best if u were going against them HELL YA YOU WOULD.

st thomas 10-03-2010 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jlouhill (Post 251579)
Does anyone else think something may be wrong with Drew's shoulder. He hasn't shown any physical signs to make me think this but his accuracy at times hasn't been there and he is not making many throws deep and when he does they are not on the mark like last year. I'm wondering if that surgically repaired shoulder isn't bothering him and they just aren't saying since he obviously can still function at a level that is acceptable. Maybe i'm just being paranoid but something isn't right. Anyone else have any thoughts on this.

i hear where your coming from but i don't think theres anything wrong with the arm, but you can bet hes battered. he chunked a bomb to meach and colston for a miss/drop, nothing suspecting

Danno 10-04-2010 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 251715)
Drew is fine..his recievers been layin it on the ground a lot or his completion rate would be off the charts...

We're averaging about 5 drops per game. That is absolutely unbelievable.

Take away 1/2 of the drops and we're averaging about 30 points per game and winning every game by an average of two scores.

jlouhill 10-04-2010 07:13 PM

Well I certainly didn't mean to sound panicky or paranoid about a possible shoulder problem. It was just something that occured to me and I wanted to get others thoughts on this. Thanks for the input. I do feel better about our season so far when you stand back and look at the big picture. Trent Dilfer said today on the radio that we have been bringing our C game all year yet we are 3-1 and could be 4-0. He said that is the mark of a good team when you are bringing your C game and still winning. When you look at our injury situation and the fact that everyone seems to be capable of beating anyone so far this year, except for Buffalo, I like where we are at and once we get healthy and work out the little things we will be tough to beat.

aquaboogie 10-04-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by winmill1 (Post 251623)
Yeah but last year our blitz schemes were very creative, not so much yet this year. Sharper's absence may be causing that.

Maybe? May also need to get the lead and force teams into throwing the ball more.

saintfan 10-04-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 251777)
We're averaging about 5 drops per game. That is absolutely unbelievable.

Take away 1/2 of the drops and we're averaging about 30 points per game and winning every game by an average of two scores.

I used to preach the same thing about Aaron Brooks. :bng:

pumpkindriver 10-05-2010 10:59 PM

Oh and just one little thing, Drew's knee was injured earlier in the season and he is wearing a brace on it. So while its a small thing , it might be affecting him a tiny bit with mobility, but geez, like all of you have said, w/o the dropped passes his completion percentage would be off the charts and we'd won by large margins.

Saint-Paul 10-06-2010 10:42 AM

Agreed. His percentages are near stellar considering the lack of offensive line improvement or consistency from last year.
I would like to make a point about the blitzes...our linebackers seem to never break tackles (sometimes they don't make tackles) in order to get behind the line...I think this is a fundamental problem with the scheme. We do not have good blitzing linebackers at this point...Joe Vitt. If we were to lose Vilma we would have a terrible...terrible defense. Jenkins isn't playing at a very high level though he's played at a good level, he will improve I believe. This is part of our turnover inconsistency. The red zone offense is just bad right now...but like we all know. We are still winning games without alot of our most consistent statistics. This week's game is a great opportunity to get back on track entirely and carry that momentum into November. I'd much prefer that but I am making no predictions this week and have zero expectations. I will be happy for every first down and every positive play.

jcp026 10-06-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by winmill1 (Post 251623)
Yeah but last year our blitz schemes were very creative, not so much yet this year. Sharper's absence may be causing that.

You can be as creative as you want. Our defensive front seven has a severe lack of talent. Besides Vilma, Smith, and Ellis, who is better than slightly above average?

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