Saints Coaching

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-27-2003, 03:19 PM

Countless different coaching styles exist. A coach may be primarily task-oriented or people-oriented. He may be diplomatic, democratic, intuitive, by-the-book, or off-the-cuff. Permissive or strict. Whatever the style, a coach must possess the ability to make his players believe in his way of doing things. If players do not firmly believe they are being put in the best position to win, they will not usually achieve the desired results.

Another important area for a coach is competence. To keep the trust and allegiance of players, a coach must be self-assured and competent. Technical knowledge does not automatically translate into competence. Competence also includes factors such as dealing with players, in both victory and defeat. A deficiency in some technical understanding can usually be overcome by surrounding yourself with highly competent assistant coaches.

To me, Haslett's coaching style doest't seem to instill confidence in his players. They don't seem to rally around Haslett. It just looks like when a mistake is made that Haslett has that look on his face of - "What's going to go wrong next" and that seems to carry over to the players. Some coaches have a calming influence on their players and I just don't see that with Haslett.

I believe Haslett is a competent coach, but only in certain areas. I think there are a lot of coaches like that in the NFL, but I believe the successful one's have talented assistant coaches to rely on for some weaknesses that they might have. I don't think Haslett has the kind of assistant coaches he needs to get this Saints team to the next level.

Haslet made the decision to hire Mike McCarthy and to make Rick Ventui the defensive coach. He seems to believe in both or them, but it could ultimately be his undoing. With the talent McCarthy has on offense, there is really no excuse for the inconsistent play of the offense. There have been very few games that I can say the game plan was the key to winning. More times than not, the pure talent on offense is what won games. I believe Rick Venturi has the technical knowhow, but I do not believe he has the ability to get that over to the playing field. It might be time for Haslett to get more involved on both offense and defense if he want's to continue coaching for the New Orleans Saints.

saintz08 · 10-27-2003, 03:30 PM

I saw that on Saints report .com to Billy .

You think that poster wrote that or pasted it ???

It has some good points on Haslett becoming more involved .

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-27-2003, 03:33 PM

I saw that on Saints report .com to Billy .

You think that poster wrote that or pasted it ???

It has some good points on Haslett becoming more involved .

That other poster on SaintsReport was me under another screen name. and I wrote it.

BlackandBlue · 10-27-2003, 03:48 PM

It might be time for Haslett to get more involved on both offense and defense if he want\'s to continue coaching for the New Orleans Saints.

I\'ll admit that the following is a stretch, but the keyword in the above quote is \"if he want\'s to...\" Does anyone here think that he would rather be the head coach in Buffalo? The Bills are the most underachieving team in the NFL right now. Like I said, a stretch, very unlikely, but something to think about.

saintz08 · 10-27-2003, 03:58 PM

Like I said , it has some good points .

DblBogey · 10-27-2003, 04:03 PM

Billy, my hat is off to you. This is one of the more logical posts that I have seen come from your pen. The old saying in the business world is \"that a manager is only as good as the people he surrounds his self with.\" I think that maybe HazHadit is at the end of his \"head coach\" rope, unless Benson can figure out how to bleed more money out of HazHadit\'s tenure.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-27-2003, 04:08 PM

Billy, my hat is off to you. This is one of the more logical posts that I have seen come from your pen.

Ahhh. Thanks, but really, all anyone has to do is post ANYTHING negitive about the Saints on this board and you\'re a genius --

nocloning · 10-27-2003, 05:32 PM

It might be time for Haslett to get more involved on both offense and defense if he want\'s to continue coaching for the New Orleans Saints.

I\'ll admit that the following is a stretch, but the keyword in the above quote is \"if he want\'s to...\" Does anyone here think that he would rather be the head coach in Buffalo? The Bills are the most underachieving team in the NFL right now. Like I said, a stretch, very unlikely, but something to think about.

I hear you BnB. At least he has stopped the \"I don\'t know what went wrong today\" talk, but at the time he seemed like someone who had given this team all he had to offer and realized it wasn\'t enough. In my opinion he just wants out of N.O.
Benson won\'t like to pay him some big bucks when he fires him, so maybe they\'ll come to an agreement and Haslett will resign at the end of the season. For all the conspiracy theorists out there: He isn\'t on a sabotage mission, but - in my opinion (I read that thread too, WhoDat) - he feels like he has done everything he can to make them winners. If the rest of the organization can\'t pull it off he won\'t interfere - like in the second half on Sunday when he should have had a word with McCarthy about the offensive strategy.

10-27-2003, 03:19 PM	#1
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Coaching Countless different coaching styles exist. A coach may be primarily task-oriented or people-oriented. He may be diplomatic, democratic, intuitive, by-the-book, or off-the-cuff. Permissive or strict. Whatever the style, a coach must possess the ability to make his players believe in his way of doing things. If players do not firmly believe they are being put in the best position to win, they will not usually achieve the desired results. Another important area for a coach is competence. To keep the trust and allegiance of players, a coach must be self-assured and competent. Technical knowledge does not automatically translate into competence. Competence also includes factors such as dealing with players, in both victory and defeat. A deficiency in some technical understanding can usually be overcome by surrounding yourself with highly competent assistant coaches. To me, Haslett's coaching style doest't seem to instill confidence in his players. They don't seem to rally around Haslett. It just looks like when a mistake is made that Haslett has that look on his face of - "What's going to go wrong next" and that seems to carry over to the players. Some coaches have a calming influence on their players and I just don't see that with Haslett. I believe Haslett is a competent coach, but only in certain areas. I think there are a lot of coaches like that in the NFL, but I believe the successful one's have talented assistant coaches to rely on for some weaknesses that they might have. I don't think Haslett has the kind of assistant coaches he needs to get this Saints team to the next level. Haslet made the decision to hire Mike McCarthy and to make Rick Ventui the defensive coach. He seems to believe in both or them, but it could ultimately be his undoing. With the talent McCarthy has on offense, there is really no excuse for the inconsistent play of the offense. There have been very few games that I can say the game plan was the key to winning. More times than not, the pure talent on offense is what won games. I believe Rick Venturi has the technical knowhow, but I do not believe he has the ability to get that over to the playing field. It might be time for Haslett to get more involved on both offense and defense if he want's to continue coaching for the New Orleans Saints.
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10-27-2003, 03:30 PM	#2
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Saints Coaching I saw that on Saints report .com to Billy . You think that poster wrote that or pasted it ??? It has some good points on Haslett becoming more involved .
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10-27-2003, 03:33 PM	#3
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Coaching I saw that on Saints report .com to Billy . You think that poster wrote that or pasted it ??? It has some good points on Haslett becoming more involved . That other poster on SaintsReport was me under another screen name. and I wrote it.
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10-27-2003, 03:48 PM	#4
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Saints Coaching It might be time for Haslett to get more involved on both offense and defense if he want\'s to continue coaching for the New Orleans Saints. I\'ll admit that the following is a stretch, but the keyword in the above quote is \"if he want\'s to...\" Does anyone here think that he would rather be the head coach in Buffalo? The Bills are the most underachieving team in the NFL right now. Like I said, a stretch, very unlikely, but something to think about.

10-27-2003, 03:58 PM	#5
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Saints Coaching Like I said , it has some good points .
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DblBogey 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 538	Saints Coaching Billy, my hat is off to you. This is one of the more logical posts that I have seen come from your pen. The old saying in the business world is \"that a manager is only as good as the people he surrounds his self with.\" I think that maybe HazHadit is at the end of his \"head coach\" rope, unless Benson can figure out how to bleed more money out of HazHadit\'s tenure.
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10-27-2003, 04:08 PM	#7
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Saints Coaching Billy, my hat is off to you. This is one of the more logical posts that I have seen come from your pen. Ahhh. Thanks, but really, all anyone has to do is post ANYTHING negitive about the Saints on this board and you\'re a genius --
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10-27-2003, 05:32 PM	#8
nocloning 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 302	Saints Coaching It might be time for Haslett to get more involved on both offense and defense if he want\'s to continue coaching for the New Orleans Saints. I\'ll admit that the following is a stretch, but the keyword in the above quote is \"if he want\'s to...\" Does anyone here think that he would rather be the head coach in Buffalo? The Bills are the most underachieving team in the NFL right now. Like I said, a stretch, very unlikely, but something to think about. I hear you BnB. At least he has stopped the \"I don\'t know what went wrong today\" talk, but at the time he seemed like someone who had given this team all he had to offer and realized it wasn\'t enough. In my opinion he just wants out of N.O. Benson won\'t like to pay him some big bucks when he fires him, so maybe they\'ll come to an agreement and Haslett will resign at the end of the season. For all the conspiracy theorists out there: He isn\'t on a sabotage mission, but - in my opinion (I read that thread too, WhoDat) - he feels like he has done everything he can to make them winners. If the rest of the organization can\'t pull it off he won\'t interfere - like in the second half on Sunday when he should have had a word with McCarthy about the offensive strategy.
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