Drew Brees is most of the problem

Rugby Saint II · 10-13-2010, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

Play action isn't freezing anybody because there is no real action to play off of. You can still ride down the road with a couple of spark plug wires disconnected, but you definitely won't have a smooth ride. That's where we are right now. Fuel injectors are clogged, brakes are grinding, trannie is stuck in 1st gear, rinding on 3 twenties and a doughnut. Injuries are just a piece; no passion plays a part; turnovers play a BIG part. Brees has been marching the team down the field at a pretty good clip, but everytime we fail to finish it kind of takes something out of you. Success has a way of breeding success. If we nail some things down this week, it may get us back on track to some solid wins. We really need about 4-5 solid performances in a row and this well oiled machine will look fantastic once again.

Darstep nailed it on the head. Also the lack of a running game is what is really killing us, I think play action is useless with out a running game.

saintsfan601 · 10-13-2010, 12:23 PM

Drew Brees most of the problem.Go back and watch some game film you have lost your marbles sir.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 10-13-2010, 12:37 PM

Drew hasn't been as sharp as last, or previous years, but by no means is he the "problem". Much more so has been the fumbles, blocked field goals, lack of blocking, lack of catching, and injuries.....oh yeah, did I mention the fumbles?

gumbeau · 10-13-2010, 12:49 PM

Review last year's number of passes defensed versus this year on film.

It only takes a few games to see the difference.

DB's didn't suddenly get better. The QB is hesitating enough to give them an opportunity on defense.

AsylumGuido · 10-13-2010, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

Two things...Dropped passes and Red Zone offense. Brees is getting us to the red zone, he just can't get us in the end zone.
How many time have we been in the red zone this year and not been able to score a touchdown...or a field goal?

How many times last year did Bush make that big play in the red zone? We really need him back. He is the key to our offense.

ScottF · 10-13-2010, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

Two things...Dropped passes and Red Zone offense. Brees is getting us to the red zone, he just can't get us in the end zone.
How many time have we been in the red zone this year and not been able to score a touchdown...or a field goal?

Right on.

drops and fumbles aren't Brees' fault

lack of creativity in the red zone isn't his fault, either.
Why is it SP can dial up triple reverses and half time onside kicks, but continues to call dives and off-tackle plays near the goal line? Run a pitch, rollout, PA fake, even Wildcat... anything

dizzle88 · 10-13-2010, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by gumbeau

Review last year's number of passes defensed versus this year on film.

It only takes a few games to see the difference.

DB's didn't suddenly get better. The QB is hesitating enough to give them an opportunity on defense.

There was a stat last year heading into week 12 vs Patriots, that Bush had scored 5 Touchdowns in 6 games, IN THE REDZONE. He's a huge weapon everywhere on the field, but he is on another level when we get into the redzone. We need him back!

AsylumGuido · 10-13-2010, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

There was a stat last year heading into week 12 vs Patriots, that Bush had scored 5 Touchdowns in 6 games, IN THE REDZONE. He's a huge weapon everywhere on the field, but he is on another level when we get into the redzone. We need him back!

Just what I am saying. The problem isn't Brees at all. It is Bush. Or the lack of Bush.

exile · 10-13-2010, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just what I am saying. The problem isn't Brees at all. It is Bush. Or the lack of Bush.

The Flying Frenchman as well. PT is under valued but he only lost 1 fumble last year and he is very sure handed out of the backfield. Unlike our current backs.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 10-13-2010, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by gumbeau

Review last year's number of passes defensed versus this year on film.

It only takes a few games to see the difference.

DB's didn't suddenly get better. The QB is hesitating enough to give them an opportunity on defense.

It only takes a few games to see the difference in our fumbling the ball more, blocking less, and dropping more passes too. Did DTs suddenly get better and so are breaking through our line more? Did LBs get better and are hitting harder and causing more fumbles and injuries? Did the goalposts get closer and are therefore causing more missed kicks? There has been plenty enough under-performing on the team collectively to label Brees as "most of the problem".

10-13-2010, 12:00 PM	#11
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Originally Posted by darstep Play action isn't freezing anybody because there is no real action to play off of. You can still ride down the road with a couple of spark plug wires disconnected, but you definitely won't have a smooth ride. That's where we are right now. Fuel injectors are clogged, brakes are grinding, trannie is stuck in 1st gear, rinding on 3 twenties and a doughnut. Injuries are just a piece; no passion plays a part; turnovers play a BIG part. Brees has been marching the team down the field at a pretty good clip, but everytime we fail to finish it kind of takes something out of you. Success has a way of breeding success. If we nail some things down this week, it may get us back on track to some solid wins. We really need about 4-5 solid performances in a row and this well oiled machine will look fantastic once again. Darstep nailed it on the head. Also the lack of a running game is what is really killing us, I think play action is useless with out a running game.

10-13-2010, 12:37 PM	#13
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Drew hasn't been as sharp as last, or previous years, but by no means is he the "problem". Much more so has been the fumbles, blocked field goals, lack of blocking, lack of catching, and injuries.....oh yeah, did I mention the fumbles?
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka Two things...Dropped passes and Red Zone offense. Brees is getting us to the red zone, he just can't get us in the end zone. How many time have we been in the red zone this year and not been able to score a touchdown...or a field goal? How many times last year did Bush make that big play in the red zone? We really need him back. He is the key to our offense.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka Two things...Dropped passes and Red Zone offense. Brees is getting us to the red zone, he just can't get us in the end zone. How many time have we been in the red zone this year and not been able to score a touchdown...or a field goal? Right on. drops and fumbles aren't Brees' fault lack of creativity in the red zone isn't his fault, either. Why is it SP can dial up triple reverses and half time onside kicks, but continues to call dives and off-tackle plays near the goal line? Run a pitch, rollout, PA fake, even Wildcat... anything

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Originally Posted by gumbeau Review last year's number of passes defensed versus this year on film. It only takes a few games to see the difference. DB's didn't suddenly get better. The QB is hesitating enough to give them an opportunity on defense. There was a stat last year heading into week 12 vs Patriots, that Bush had scored 5 Touchdowns in 6 games, IN THE REDZONE. He's a huge weapon everywhere on the field, but he is on another level when we get into the redzone. We need him back!

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10-13-2010, 12:23 PM	#12
saintsfan601 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Meridian MS Posts: 259	Drew Brees most of the problem.Go back and watch some game film you have lost your marbles sir.

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gumbeau Where Y'at? Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 519	Review last year's number of passes defensed versus this year on film. It only takes a few games to see the difference. DB's didn't suddenly get better. The QB is hesitating enough to give them an opportunity on defense.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Originally Posted by dizzle88 There was a stat last year heading into week 12 vs Patriots, that Bush had scored 5 Touchdowns in 6 games, IN THE REDZONE. He's a huge weapon everywhere on the field, but he is on another level when we get into the redzone. We need him back! Just what I am saying. The problem isn't Brees at all. It is Bush. Or the lack of Bush.

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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just what I am saying. The problem isn't Brees at all. It is Bush. Or the lack of Bush. The Flying Frenchman as well. PT is under valued but he only lost 1 fumble last year and he is very sure handed out of the backfield. Unlike our current backs.
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10-13-2010, 06:11 PM	#20
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by gumbeau Review last year's number of passes defensed versus this year on film. It only takes a few games to see the difference. DB's didn't suddenly get better. The QB is hesitating enough to give them an opportunity on defense. It only takes a few games to see the difference in our fumbling the ball more, blocking less, and dropping more passes too. Did DTs suddenly get better and so are breaking through our line more? Did LBs get better and are hitting harder and causing more fumbles and injuries? Did the goalposts get closer and are therefore causing more missed kicks? There has been plenty enough under-performing on the team collectively to label Brees as "most of the problem".
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