Todd McShay Mock Draft 1.0

D_it_up · 11-11-2010, 02:47 AM

I know it's WAYYYYY too early to even be thinking about the 2011 Draft, and apparently Todd McShay didn't get the memo that the Saints are going to repeat. However, since this is on ESPN Insider, and I don't know who all is a subscriber (wast of my money, I tell ya), but I'm going to show where he predicts us to pick and who he predicts we'll draft. I LOVE the pick, but not the draft position. Of course, he's going by mid-season records:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ory?id=5783980

New Orleans Saints**

Record: 6-3

26. Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
Nevis struggles to get off of blocks, which ultimately could prevent him from being a first-round pick. However, few defensive tackles in the country have his first-step quickness and ability to disrupt plays in the opposing backfield.

coinflip · 11-11-2010, 02:52 AM

Just was telling my buddy that i couldn't believe there are only 8 games left(but not for us).NOW this!!!lol

D_it_up · 11-11-2010, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by coinflip

Just was telling my buddy that i couldn't believe there are only 8 games left(but not for us).NOW this!!!lol

I know what you mean. Todd McShay is a moron to begin with for posting a mock draft this early, because anything can happen the rest of the college and NFL seasons. However, I do like his thinking in the Saints drafting Nevis. I've been saying most of the year how much I would love to see this guy in a Saints uniform. Adoyele has been playing above his head this year, I believe, but I could see Nevis and Ellis being a couple of beasts that clog the middle for the Saints defensive line for years to come.

coinflip · 11-11-2010, 03:13 AM

Oh most definitely!But,like you had said in your previous post.I just don't like the position they have him at in the draft...but ya a beast he would be

Crusader · 11-11-2010, 04:35 AM

I love LSU and but honestly I don't wanna see the Saints draft anymore LSU players. They just don't seem to work out very well on the NFL level, Dorsey, Russel, We had fat Al, Addai has been up and down and so on.

Rugby Saint II · 11-11-2010, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I love LSU and but honestly I don't wanna see the Saints draft anymore LSU players. They just don't seem to work out very well on the NFL level, Dorsey, Russel, We had fat Al, Addai has been up and down and so on.

LSU grads don't seem to be that productive in the NFL. I'm sure that there are a couple but I can't think of anyone.

saintsfan1976 · 11-11-2010, 10:39 AM

Too early? Well, what do you think teams like Carolina and Buffalo are talking about right now?

And before we go lopping all LSU players in the "unproductive" category, there are plenty of big school players who don't cut it.

There are too many factors that determine an athlete's level of success - draft team, coaching changes, switching positions, injuries, etc...

papz · 11-11-2010, 10:49 AM

Nevis has trouble shedding blocks? That's news to me.

Many NFL scouts have a sore spot for failed NFL scouts who enter the media and attempt to critique the work of NFL scouts who have not yet failed.

Even more NFL scouts have a sore spot for guys who were never NFL scouts, couldn't be if they wanted to, and then attempt to critique the work of folks who became NFL scouts.

Once upon a time, Mel Kiper was the primary target of NFL scouts; Kiper has been supplanted by his on-air protege/rival at ESPN, Todd McShay. As McShay's profile increases, and as he takes on the likes of quarterback Jimmy Clausen for reasons that many league insiders believe have no merit, McShay becomes a magnet for criticism.

"Most people at my level feel he is a joke," a veteran NFL scout told us via e-mail. "People in the league respect Kiper. He is not a true scout but he does work at it. A lot of his info he gets from connections in the league, and over the years he has made quite a few. When he was younger he used to burn some bridges. He doesn't do that any more."

So what about McShay?

"McShay does not have any good connections," the source opined. "Higher-ups in the league think he is an arrogant a-hole. A know-it-all. And he really knows nothing. Whatever he says about a quarterback, take it to the bank, it will be the opposite. Remember, last August he stated that Jevan Snead was better than Colt McCoy and would get drafted in the top five. He has yet to publicly retract that statement.

"One of the reasons the kid came out was because of what McShay said. The family thought McShay knew and everyone else was wrong. . . . He has problems with game management, accuracy and leadership among other things, but pretty boy Todd thought he was great because of one good game (the Cotton Bowl) a year ago. McShay is a pretty face who comes across like he knows what he is talking about. He does have good presence, but knows nothing."

A common name we've heard when it comes to McShay is Andre Woodson. McShay championed Woodson during the 2007 season. Woodson ended up being a sixth-round pick, and he's now out of the league.

The teams knew that Woodson wasn't as good as McShay was saying. The problem is that the player and his family don't have access to what the teams are thinking. The player and his family see and hear the stuff that gets played on television, and they tend to believe it when ESPN attaches to the talking head the phony, official-sounding title of "director of college scouting."

lynwood · 11-11-2010, 02:08 PM

I'd rather have Petersen from LSU or Julio Jones.

saintsfan1976 · 11-11-2010, 03:23 PM

Saints wanted Jerry Hughes last year and almost got him. It's time for a dominant DE and the 2011 draft class is flush w DE's and OLB/DE hybrids.

Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB - Purdue
Cameron Jorday DE - California
Allen Baily, DT/DE - Miami

I could see RB also.

Where's Hagan when you need him? Papz - can you conjure up our old buddy?

11-11-2010, 02:47 AM	#1
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Todd McShay Mock Draft 1.0 I know it's WAYYYYY too early to even be thinking about the 2011 Draft, and apparently Todd McShay didn't get the memo that the Saints are going to repeat. However, since this is on ESPN Insider, and I don't know who all is a subscriber (wast of my money, I tell ya), but I'm going to show where he predicts us to pick and who he predicts we'll draft. I LOVE the pick, but not the draft position. Of course, he's going by mid-season records: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ory?id=5783980 New Orleans Saints** Record: 6-3 26. Drake Nevis, DT, LSU Nevis struggles to get off of blocks, which ultimately could prevent him from being a first-round pick. However, few defensive tackles in the country have his first-step quickness and ability to disrupt plays in the opposing backfield.

11-11-2010, 02:57 AM	#3
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by coinflip Just was telling my buddy that i couldn't believe there are only 8 games left(but not for us).NOW this!!!lol I know what you mean. Todd McShay is a moron to begin with for posting a mock draft this early, because anything can happen the rest of the college and NFL seasons. However, I do like his thinking in the Saints drafting Nevis. I've been saying most of the year how much I would love to see this guy in a Saints uniform. Adoyele has been playing above his head this year, I believe, but I could see Nevis and Ellis being a couple of beasts that clog the middle for the Saints defensive line for years to come.

11-11-2010, 10:18 AM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Originally Posted by Crusader I love LSU and but honestly I don't wanna see the Saints draft anymore LSU players. They just don't seem to work out very well on the NFL level, Dorsey, Russel, We had fat Al, Addai has been up and down and so on. LSU grads don't seem to be that productive in the NFL. I'm sure that there are a couple but I can't think of anyone.

11-11-2010, 10:49 AM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Nevis has trouble shedding blocks? That's news to me. Many NFL scouts have a sore spot for failed NFL scouts who enter the media and attempt to critique the work of NFL scouts who have not yet failed. Even more NFL scouts have a sore spot for guys who were never NFL scouts, couldn't be if they wanted to, and then attempt to critique the work of folks who became NFL scouts. Once upon a time, Mel Kiper was the primary target of NFL scouts; Kiper has been supplanted by his on-air protege/rival at ESPN, Todd McShay. As McShay's profile increases, and as he takes on the likes of quarterback Jimmy Clausen for reasons that many league insiders believe have no merit, McShay becomes a magnet for criticism. "Most people at my level feel he is a joke," a veteran NFL scout told us via e-mail. "People in the league respect Kiper. He is not a true scout but he does work at it. A lot of his info he gets from connections in the league, and over the years he has made quite a few. When he was younger he used to burn some bridges. He doesn't do that any more." So what about McShay? "McShay does not have any good connections," the source opined. "Higher-ups in the league think he is an arrogant a-hole. A know-it-all. And he really knows nothing. Whatever he says about a quarterback, take it to the bank, it will be the opposite. Remember, last August he stated that Jevan Snead was better than Colt McCoy and would get drafted in the top five. He has yet to publicly retract that statement. "One of the reasons the kid came out was because of what McShay said. The family thought McShay knew and everyone else was wrong. . . . He has problems with game management, accuracy and leadership among other things, but pretty boy Todd thought he was great because of one good game (the Cotton Bowl) a year ago. McShay is a pretty face who comes across like he knows what he is talking about. He does have good presence, but knows nothing." A common name we've heard when it comes to McShay is Andre Woodson. McShay championed Woodson during the 2007 season. Woodson ended up being a sixth-round pick, and he's now out of the league. The teams knew that Woodson wasn't as good as McShay was saying. The problem is that the player and his family don't have access to what the teams are thinking. The player and his family see and hear the stuff that gets played on television, and they tend to believe it when ESPN attaches to the talking head the phony, official-sounding title of "director of college scouting."

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11-11-2010, 02:52 AM	#2
coinflip RISE ABOVE Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: San Antonio,Texas Posts: 22	Just was telling my buddy that i couldn't believe there are only 8 games left(but not for us).NOW this!!!lol

11-11-2010, 03:13 AM	#4
coinflip RISE ABOVE Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: San Antonio,Texas Posts: 22	Oh most definitely!But,like you had said in your previous post.I just don't like the position they have him at in the draft...but ya a beast he would be

11-11-2010, 04:35 AM	#5
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	I love LSU and but honestly I don't wanna see the Saints draft anymore LSU players. They just don't seem to work out very well on the NFL level, Dorsey, Russel, We had fat Al, Addai has been up and down and so on.

11-11-2010, 10:39 AM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Too early? Well, what do you think teams like Carolina and Buffalo are talking about right now? And before we go lopping all LSU players in the "unproductive" category, there are plenty of big school players who don't cut it. There are too many factors that determine an athlete's level of success - draft team, coaching changes, switching positions, injuries, etc...

11-11-2010, 02:08 PM	#9
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	I'd rather have Petersen from LSU or Julio Jones.

11-11-2010, 03:23 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Saints wanted Jerry Hughes last year and almost got him. It's time for a dominant DE and the 2011 draft class is flush w DE's and OLB/DE hybrids. Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB - Purdue Cameron Jorday DE - California Allen Baily, DT/DE - Miami I could see RB also. Where's Hagan when you need him? Papz - can you conjure up our old buddy?