Interesting on Hartley

TheOak · 11-29-2010, 12:29 PM

We all know there is something amiss with Harleys consistency. Some games he is the Ace, some games he is the Joker. Since Sean has labeled him as "Our Guy" I thought I would dig into his stats and find out if I could find any relevant stats that would tell a story of what to expect in the upcoming games. I know a lot of us thought it was a distance issue. Maybe it is... Distance from his HOUSE!

In his 3 year Career he has kicked 35 field goals.

Made:
Away = 24
Home = 11

Missed:
Away = 2
Home = 5

2010 Season:

Made:
Away = 8
Home = 4

Missed:
Away = 1
Home = 4

His accuracy by game location and year:
2010 50% at home and 90% away!!!!!!!!!
2009 66.7 at home and 87.5 Away
2008 100% both home and away

His Grass numbers are also better than his turf numbers.

Going purely by stats.. If we get home field advantage by a stroke of luck... Or in this case bad luck. Odds are not good.. Also we are screwed if it comes down to a field goal for TB or STL.

fhotard · 11-30-2010, 11:17 AM

Interesting that his away percentages are better than his home percentages.
John Carney's accuracy went to hell when they switched the dome turf to the newer product, ultimately leading to him losing his job. Before that, he was pretty much money.
I don't have any stats to back it up, but that's what I seem to remember happening.

Beastmode · 11-30-2010, 12:53 PM

Nice fact. If other kickers have struggled in the SD the turf could be a factor but you would also have to break down stadiums with the same turf. You could really digg in the weeds on the subject. I always say train like you are going to fight so why not practice in the SD that week.

TheOak · 11-30-2010, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by fhotard

Interesting that his away percentages are better than his home percentages.
John Carney's accuracy went to hell when they switched the dome turf to the newer product, ultimately leading to him losing his job. Before that, he was pretty much money.
I don't have any stats to back it up, but that's what I seem to remember happening.

Actually Carney's last year he played 16 games (full season) with the Saints was 2006, that year he had 92% FG accuracy!
They have used Sportexe Momentum Turf since 2006.

The only teams that use Sportexe Momentum Turf.
Ravins Cundiff 83.3% at home for 2010
Saints Hartley 50% at home for 2010
Vikings Longwell 100% at home for 2010

neugey · 11-30-2010, 02:26 PM

Very interesting. If this continues I wish we could platoon Hartley with another kicker who kicks well in NOLA!

ClintSaints · 11-30-2010, 02:30 PM

Thanks for the stats! That means this coming weekend against the Bungles should be good times for sure!

darstep · 11-30-2010, 02:35 PM

Only give him Point Afters. Score touchdowns everytime and take his flux out of the equasion. I said it before and will say it again: leave him alone if he misses here or there. Trying to bring in some guy off the street just turns dirty water into mud. There is a reason why those other guys are watching games from their living room.

TheOak · 12-01-2010, 07:42 AM

Carry two FG kickers? One home and one away?LOL

We may need both.... If we get HFA when the stars align, we will need someone who can hit that "fkn Fleur De Lis".

When we get to Dallas for SB 45 Hartley can bang it down Jerrys throat all day.

CashAndFlash · 12-01-2010, 07:51 AM

I really think having two FG kickers isn't as preposterous as it may seem.

I mean, on any given team, FG kickers account for a minimum of what, 30% of points scored? We've got three qbs, 5 wrs, 4 tes, and 3 running backs who are supposed to account for the lion's share of the rest, but it really might work to bring someone like Carney in for the shorter ones and keep Hartley for the long ones.

Experience and consistency for the chip shots, youth and leg strength for longer ones.

I know this will never happen, but hey, it could work.

fhotard · 12-01-2010, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Actually Carney's last year he played 16 games (full season) with the Saints was 2006, that year he had 92% FG accuracy!
They have used Sportexe Momentum Turf since 2006.

The only teams that use Sportexe Momentum Turf.
Ravins Cundiff 83.3% at home for 2010
Saints Hartley 50% at home for 2010
Vikings Longwell 100% at home for 2010

Well, those facts certainly don't support my opinion. Your facts must be wrong... just kidding. Good info, thanks for posting it!

11-29-2010, 12:29 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Interesting on Hartley We all know there is something amiss with Harleys consistency. Some games he is the Ace, some games he is the Joker. Since Sean has labeled him as "Our Guy" I thought I would dig into his stats and find out if I could find any relevant stats that would tell a story of what to expect in the upcoming games. I know a lot of us thought it was a distance issue. Maybe it is... Distance from his HOUSE! In his 3 year Career he has kicked 35 field goals. Made: Away = 24 Home = 11 Missed: Away = 2 Home = 5 2010 Season: Made: Away = 8 Home = 4 Missed: Away = 1 Home = 4 His accuracy by game location and year: 2010 50% at home and 90% away!!!!!!!!! 2009 66.7 at home and 87.5 Away 2008 100% both home and away His Grass numbers are also better than his turf numbers. Going purely by stats.. If we get home field advantage by a stroke of luck... Or in this case bad luck. Odds are not good.. Also we are screwed if it comes down to a field goal for TB or STL.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

11-30-2010, 12:53 PM	#3
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Nice fact. If other kickers have struggled in the SD the turf could be a factor but you would also have to break down stadiums with the same turf. You could really digg in the weeds on the subject. I always say train like you are going to fight so why not practice in the SD that week.
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11-30-2010, 01:36 PM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Originally Posted by fhotard Interesting that his away percentages are better than his home percentages. John Carney's accuracy went to hell when they switched the dome turf to the newer product, ultimately leading to him losing his job. Before that, he was pretty much money. I don't have any stats to back it up, but that's what I seem to remember happening. Actually Carney's last year he played 16 games (full season) with the Saints was 2006, that year he had 92% FG accuracy! They have used Sportexe Momentum Turf since 2006. The only teams that use Sportexe Momentum Turf. Ravins Cundiff 83.3% at home for 2010 Saints Hartley 50% at home for 2010 Vikings Longwell 100% at home for 2010

12-01-2010, 11:14 AM	#10
fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Actually Carney's last year he played 16 games (full season) with the Saints was 2006, that year he had 92% FG accuracy! They have used Sportexe Momentum Turf since 2006. The only teams that use Sportexe Momentum Turf. Ravins Cundiff 83.3% at home for 2010 Saints Hartley 50% at home for 2010 Vikings Longwell 100% at home for 2010 Well, those facts certainly don't support my opinion. Your facts must be wrong... just kidding. Good info, thanks for posting it!

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11-30-2010, 11:17 AM	#2
fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	Interesting that his away percentages are better than his home percentages. John Carney's accuracy went to hell when they switched the dome turf to the newer product, ultimately leading to him losing his job. Before that, he was pretty much money. I don't have any stats to back it up, but that's what I seem to remember happening.

11-30-2010, 02:26 PM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,876 Blog Entries: 13	Very interesting. If this continues I wish we could platoon Hartley with another kicker who kicks well in NOLA!

11-30-2010, 02:30 PM	#6
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Thanks for the stats! That means this coming weekend against the Bungles should be good times for sure!

11-30-2010, 02:35 PM	#7
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Only give him Point Afters. Score touchdowns everytime and take his flux out of the equasion. I said it before and will say it again: leave him alone if he misses here or there. Trying to bring in some guy off the street just turns dirty water into mud. There is a reason why those other guys are watching games from their living room.

12-01-2010, 07:42 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Carry two FG kickers? One home and one away?LOL We may need both.... If we get HFA when the stars align, we will need someone who can hit that "fkn Fleur De Lis". When we get to Dallas for SB 45 Hartley can bang it down Jerrys throat all day.

12-01-2010, 07:51 AM	#9
CashAndFlash Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 30 miles from Paradis Posts: 602 Blog Entries: 1	I really think having two FG kickers isn't as preposterous as it may seem. I mean, on any given team, FG kickers account for a minimum of what, 30% of points scored? We've got three qbs, 5 wrs, 4 tes, and 3 running backs who are supposed to account for the lion's share of the rest, but it really might work to bring someone like Carney in for the shorter ones and keep Hartley for the long ones. Experience and consistency for the chip shots, youth and leg strength for longer ones. I know this will never happen, but hey, it could work.