Question about Seeding

Memnoch_TP · 12-06-2010, 04:13 PM

Okay, if the Saints run the table on their last 4 games, we end up with a 13-3 record.

The Falcons play Carolina (1-11) twice, and Seattle (6-6) once, and the Saints. Chances are they will only lose that one game against the Saints leaving them with a 13-3 record.

The Chicago Bears (9-3) have games against the Pats, the Jets, the Vikings, and Green Bay coming up. Chances are they drop at least one of those games, ending no better than 12-4.

Philly, Green Bay, and the Giants are all 8-4 with no chance of a better record than 12-4.

If this scenario works out, the Saints and Falcons would be tied in both record (13-3) and division record (5-1). I believe the tie breaker would go to the Falcons since they have defeated two teams we have lost to (The Browns and the Cardinals) while we have only defeated one team they have lost to (The Steelers).

So if the Falcons win the NFC South with a 13-3 record + Tie breaker, and the Saints get a wildcard spot with a 13-3 record which is better than all the winners of the other divisions (Probably 12-4, 11-5, and 9-7) will we have the 2nd seed because of our record or the 5th seed because we didn't win our division (which would really, REALLY suck).

If one missed kick in week 3 costs us a 1st round bye in the playoffs I'm going to be the conductor on the Garrett Hartley hate train.

winmill1 · 12-06-2010, 05:12 PM

We will be the fifth seed if we win out. The tiebreaker goes by record(which would be tied), div record(which would be tied), the third would be wins against common opponents which would be the one that would kick us to number 5 with a first round away game with the stellar NFC West. That kick was huge. Atlanta will lose two more games, one to us and one in Seattle. Seattle is a different team at home.

Budsdrinker · 12-06-2010, 10:52 PM

What the Saints are doing this year will make the owners vote on a change of how the seeding process works. No way in the world a 13-3 team should have to travel to a 8-8 or possibly 7-9 team that they beat earlier in the season. Doesn't do us any good this year but it will be changed because of us!

Memnoch_TP · 12-06-2010, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by winmill1

Atlanta will lose two more games, one to us and one in Seattle. Seattle is a different team at home.

God I hope so.

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

What the Saints are doing this year will make the owners vote on a change of how the seeding process works. No way in the world a 13-3 team should have to travel to a 8-8 or possibly 7-9 team that they beat earlier in the season. Doesn't do us any good this year but it will be changed because of us!

God I hope so.

DAMN YOU HARTLEY!!!!

saintsfan1976 · 12-07-2010, 08:23 AM

A lot of people here will jump on the "hate hartely" bandwagon.

But everyone here should be smart enough to know that there were hundreds of plays we could've won any of our three losses with but didn't.

arsaint · 12-07-2010, 08:32 AM

#1 may be out of reach now. Tampa was our best shot, but maybe the Falcons will slip up somewhere on a three game road trip.

Part of me really has trouble seeing them win 8 in a row.

If we can't win #1, we have to hold on to #5.

#6 will travel to Chicago/Philly/NYG/GB. I'd rather we pass on that wildcard freeze.

#5 will be in Seattle (could be bad weather) or more likely St Louis inside their dome.

I think if Seattle can beat ATL, we get the #1 seed and Seattle wins the West. If ATL beats them, we'll be #5 and the Rams will win the West (and we'll open at their place).

We beat them, travel to ATL and kick their butts (again) at their place and the probably have to travel to Philly or Chicago for the NFCCG.

Beastmode · 12-07-2010, 09:43 AM

[QUOTE=Budsdrinker;267797]What the Saints are doing this year will make the owners vote on a change of how the seeding process works. No way in the world a 13-3 team should have to travel to a 8-8 or possibly 7-9 team that they beat earlier in the season. Doesn't do us any good this year but it will be changed because of us![/QUOTE.
They talked about this on Serius. The owners actually like the way it is now.
It spreads the glory around and more importantly the profits.

ScottF · 12-07-2010, 09:51 AM

[quote=Beastmode;267882]

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

What the Saints are doing this year will make the owners vote on a change of how the seeding process works. No way in the world a 13-3 team should have to travel to a 8-8 or possibly 7-9 team that they beat earlier in the season. Doesn't do us any good this year but it will be changed because of us![/QUOTE.
They talked about this on Serius. The owners actually like the way it is now.
It spreads the glory around and more importantly the profits.

Not so sure about profits... TV revenue is an even split, and over half of the teams in the league don't sell out.
Locals go to games to see their team win; are they going to pay big money for playoff tickets to see the heavily favored Saints? Doubt it.

At last year's Jets @ Bengals PO game there were seats still available on game day. Could see the same in St.Louis or Seattle

ScottF · 12-07-2010, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

If one missed kick in week 3 costs us a 1st round bye in the playoffs I'm going to be the conductor on the Garrett Hartley hate train.

I'm no fan of Hartley, but there is a lot of blame to spread around in that game. ATL pushed us all over the field that day. Still question why when we were finally able to start moving the ball we kick on first down.

Rugby Saint II · 12-07-2010, 10:54 AM

I'd be much happier with HFA......but we are the defending Superbowl champions and should have the moxy to step it up

12-06-2010, 04:13 PM	#1
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Question about Seeding Okay, if the Saints run the table on their last 4 games, we end up with a 13-3 record. The Falcons play Carolina (1-11) twice, and Seattle (6-6) once, and the Saints. Chances are they will only lose that one game against the Saints leaving them with a 13-3 record. The Chicago Bears (9-3) have games against the Pats, the Jets, the Vikings, and Green Bay coming up. Chances are they drop at least one of those games, ending no better than 12-4. Philly, Green Bay, and the Giants are all 8-4 with no chance of a better record than 12-4. If this scenario works out, the Saints and Falcons would be tied in both record (13-3) and division record (5-1). I believe the tie breaker would go to the Falcons since they have defeated two teams we have lost to (The Browns and the Cardinals) while we have only defeated one team they have lost to (The Steelers). So if the Falcons win the NFC South with a 13-3 record + Tie breaker, and the Saints get a wildcard spot with a 13-3 record which is better than all the winners of the other divisions (Probably 12-4, 11-5, and 9-7) will we have the 2nd seed because of our record or the 5th seed because we didn't win our division (which would really, REALLY suck). If one missed kick in week 3 costs us a 1st round bye in the playoffs I'm going to be the conductor on the Garrett Hartley hate train.
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12-06-2010, 05:12 PM	#2
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426	We will be the fifth seed if we win out. The tiebreaker goes by record(which would be tied), div record(which would be tied), the third would be wins against common opponents which would be the one that would kick us to number 5 with a first round away game with the stellar NFC West. That kick was huge. Atlanta will lose two more games, one to us and one in Seattle. Seattle is a different team at home.
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12-06-2010, 10:54 PM	#4
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by winmill1 Atlanta will lose two more games, one to us and one in Seattle. Seattle is a different team at home. God I hope so. Originally Posted by Budsdrinker What the Saints are doing this year will make the owners vote on a change of how the seeding process works. No way in the world a 13-3 team should have to travel to a 8-8 or possibly 7-9 team that they beat earlier in the season. Doesn't do us any good this year but it will be changed because of us! God I hope so. DAMN YOU HARTLEY!!!!

12-07-2010, 09:43 AM	#7
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	[QUOTE=Budsdrinker;267797]What the Saints are doing this year will make the owners vote on a change of how the seeding process works. No way in the world a 13-3 team should have to travel to a 8-8 or possibly 7-9 team that they beat earlier in the season. Doesn't do us any good this year but it will be changed because of us![/QUOTE. They talked about this on Serius. The owners actually like the way it is now. It spreads the glory around and more importantly the profits.
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12-07-2010, 09:51 AM	#8
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	[quote=Beastmode;267882] Originally Posted by Budsdrinker What the Saints are doing this year will make the owners vote on a change of how the seeding process works. No way in the world a 13-3 team should have to travel to a 8-8 or possibly 7-9 team that they beat earlier in the season. Doesn't do us any good this year but it will be changed because of us![/QUOTE. They talked about this on Serius. The owners actually like the way it is now. It spreads the glory around and more importantly the profits. Not so sure about profits... TV revenue is an even split, and over half of the teams in the league don't sell out. Locals go to games to see their team win; are they going to pay big money for playoff tickets to see the heavily favored Saints? Doubt it. At last year's Jets @ Bengals PO game there were seats still available on game day. Could see the same in St.Louis or Seattle

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12-06-2010, 10:52 PM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	What the Saints are doing this year will make the owners vote on a change of how the seeding process works. No way in the world a 13-3 team should have to travel to a 8-8 or possibly 7-9 team that they beat earlier in the season. Doesn't do us any good this year but it will be changed because of us!

12-07-2010, 08:23 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	A lot of people here will jump on the "hate hartely" bandwagon. But everyone here should be smart enough to know that there were hundreds of plays we could've won any of our three losses with but didn't.

12-07-2010, 08:32 AM	#6
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,715	#1 may be out of reach now. Tampa was our best shot, but maybe the Falcons will slip up somewhere on a three game road trip. Part of me really has trouble seeing them win 8 in a row. If we can't win #1, we have to hold on to #5. #6 will travel to Chicago/Philly/NYG/GB. I'd rather we pass on that wildcard freeze. #5 will be in Seattle (could be bad weather) or more likely St Louis inside their dome. I think if Seattle can beat ATL, we get the #1 seed and Seattle wins the West. If ATL beats them, we'll be #5 and the Rams will win the West (and we'll open at their place). We beat them, travel to ATL and kick their butts (again) at their place and the probably have to travel to Philly or Chicago for the NFCCG.

12-07-2010, 09:54 AM	#9
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP If one missed kick in week 3 costs us a 1st round bye in the playoffs I'm going to be the conductor on the Garrett Hartley hate train. I'm no fan of Hartley, but there is a lot of blame to spread around in that game. ATL pushed us all over the field that day. Still question why when we were finally able to start moving the ball we kick on first down.

12-07-2010, 10:54 AM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	I'd be much happier with HFA......but we are the defending Superbowl champions and should have the moxy to step it up