New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall

BillyC · 11-18-2003, 08:36 PM

Billy can and will the Saints D stop McNabb?

I\'m not concered about McNabb burning our secondary with deep passes nor am I concerned about McNabb running the ball that much. What I am worried about is McNabb dumping the ball off to the running backs. They have made a living doing that this year.

So to answer your question. Yes, I think the Saints D absolutely shuts McNabb down. I think the Saints D will limit the Eagles offense to 20-points or less. That\'s with no turnovers by the Saints offense.

BillyC · 11-18-2003, 08:53 PM

Eagles vs. Packers
D. McNabb 15/31 198 1 0

Eagles vs. Falcons
D. McNabb 21/33 312 1 0

Eagles vs. Giants
D. McNabb 24/30 314 2 0

Eagles vs. Jets
D. McNabb 17/23 141 1 1

McNabb has thrown for a total of 5 TD\'s in the last 4-games. Not exactly a scoring powerhouse in the passing game.

Oct 26 NY Jets W 24-17
Nov 2 @ Falcons W 23-16
Nov 10 @ Packers W 17-14
Nov 16 NY Giants W 28-10

The most points the Eagles scored in their last 4-games was 28 against the Giants and their secondary was severly depleted by injuries. Against Atlanta they only put up 23-points. They Eagles are not a high scoring offense by any stretch of the imagination. As a matter a fact, the 28-points they scored last week was their highest output of the season.

Saints vs. Falcons
A. Brooks 23/30 352 3 0

Saints vs. Panthers
A. Brooks 20/33 187 2 1

Saints vs. Bucs
A. Brooks 13/29 142 1 1

Saints vs. Falcons
A. Brooks 21/37 228 0 2

Books threw for 6-TD\'s in the last 4-games and that ain\'t setting the world on fire either. But he did play 2 of the toughest defenses in the league in that stretch. He also played the Falcons defense twice. What all of this tell us is NOTHING. But I still think we hold the Eagles to 20-points or less if we have no turnovers.

[Edited on 19/11/2003 by BillyC]

JOESAM2002 · 11-18-2003, 10:12 PM

I agree that the defense is playing somewhat better than last year, but what gets me is , where does anyone get that the offense is playing like they did last year? This ain\'t yo momma\'s Saints offense. These guys are struggling.

BillyC · 11-18-2003, 10:20 PM

where does anyone get that the offense is playing like they did last year? This ain\'t yo momma\'s Saints offense. These guys are struggling

LOL - :P Hell if I know Joe. It\'s just crazy. I still blame McCarthy as much as anyone. He keeps pounding Deuce up the middle in the first half. Like last week, Deuce had 6 yards rushing in the first half ( I think). Now I\'m all for Deuce getting the ball, but I don\'t think McCarthy adjusts to what defenses are doing very well. After we get down, then McCarthy opens the offense up. At least that\'s the way it appears to me. I\'m about done trying to figure it out. They don\'t pay me enough.

[Edited on 19/11/2003 by BillyC]

saintfan · 11-19-2003, 09:01 AM

It\'s sort of a catch 22. I think Mike would do better if the team could ever manage to get the lead. They always seem to be playing from behind. The results of poor execution, pentalties, and turnovers. For some reason the Saints just come out slow...

BillyC · 11-19-2003, 09:19 AM

I tend to agree with that saintfan. I guess I just want to see the Saints offense come out throwing the ball all over the field from the start of the game and I want to fault McCarthy for not doing that. But the truth is that McCarthy\'s play calling is balanced with the run and the pass in the first half. It really does boil down to execution, or lack of, in the passing game. If the receivers would catch the ball and Brooks wouldn\'t make any bad throws, then McCarthy\'s play calling would look much better.

I would still like to see McCarthy get away from running the ball so much in the first half when it isn\'t successful though. But, that\'s just me..........

saint5221 · 11-20-2003, 08:26 AM

Saintfan and Billy are onto the issue facing the offense. The mistakes are stalling drives and killing opportunities and with alarming frequency.

This team is one of the league leaders in pre-snap penalties, these are killers and there is no excuse for them. They put you in a hole before you even have a chance to execute a play and cannot be blamed on any thing other than lack of focus. It is tough enough to make 10 yards per set of downs much less 15 or 20. I have not charted this but how often do you see these mistakes cropping up a critical points in the game as well? I know the Saints are a leader in third down conversions, but think of how many third downs you have seen blown by motion penalties, dropped passes and missed throws to wide open receivers.

Better execution and McCarthy looks like a genius The madding thing is the mistakes are coming from every part of the offense. False starts by lineman and receivers add to the mix poor catching, errant passes and missed blocks and the Saints put a lot of pressure on themselves to execute longer plays in more obvious situations. The fact they over come this and play relatively error free when the pressure is on is great, but just think what we could do if we only have to fight Philly next week and not ourselves too.

11-18-2003, 08:36 PM	#1
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Billy can and will the Saints D stop McNabb? I\'m not concered about McNabb burning our secondary with deep passes nor am I concerned about McNabb running the ball that much. What I am worried about is McNabb dumping the ball off to the running backs. They have made a living doing that this year. So to answer your question. Yes, I think the Saints D absolutely shuts McNabb down. I think the Saints D will limit the Eagles offense to 20-points or less. That\'s with no turnovers by the Saints offense.
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11-18-2003, 08:53 PM	#2
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Eagles vs. Packers D. McNabb 15/31 198 1 0 Eagles vs. Falcons D. McNabb 21/33 312 1 0 Eagles vs. Giants D. McNabb 24/30 314 2 0 Eagles vs. Jets D. McNabb 17/23 141 1 1 McNabb has thrown for a total of 5 TD\'s in the last 4-games. Not exactly a scoring powerhouse in the passing game. Oct 26 NY Jets W 24-17 Nov 2 @ Falcons W 23-16 Nov 10 @ Packers W 17-14 Nov 16 NY Giants W 28-10 The most points the Eagles scored in their last 4-games was 28 against the Giants and their secondary was severly depleted by injuries. Against Atlanta they only put up 23-points. They Eagles are not a high scoring offense by any stretch of the imagination. As a matter a fact, the 28-points they scored last week was their highest output of the season. Saints vs. Falcons A. Brooks 23/30 352 3 0 Saints vs. Panthers A. Brooks 20/33 187 2 1 Saints vs. Bucs A. Brooks 13/29 142 1 1 Saints vs. Falcons A. Brooks 21/37 228 0 2 Books threw for 6-TD\'s in the last 4-games and that ain\'t setting the world on fire either. But he did play 2 of the toughest defenses in the league in that stretch. He also played the Falcons defense twice. What all of this tell us is NOTHING. But I still think we hold the Eagles to 20-points or less if we have no turnovers. [Edited on 19/11/2003 by BillyC]
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11-18-2003, 10:12 PM	#3
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall I agree that the defense is playing somewhat better than last year, but what gets me is , where does anyone get that the offense is playing like they did last year? This ain\'t yo momma\'s Saints offense. These guys are struggling.

11-18-2003, 10:20 PM	#4
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall where does anyone get that the offense is playing like they did last year? This ain\'t yo momma\'s Saints offense. These guys are struggling LOL - :P Hell if I know Joe. It\'s just crazy. I still blame McCarthy as much as anyone. He keeps pounding Deuce up the middle in the first half. Like last week, Deuce had 6 yards rushing in the first half ( I think). Now I\'m all for Deuce getting the ball, but I don\'t think McCarthy adjusts to what defenses are doing very well. After we get down, then McCarthy opens the offense up. At least that\'s the way it appears to me. I\'m about done trying to figure it out. They don\'t pay me enough. [Edited on 19/11/2003 by BillyC]
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11-19-2003, 09:01 AM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall It\'s sort of a catch 22. I think Mike would do better if the team could ever manage to get the lead. They always seem to be playing from behind. The results of poor execution, pentalties, and turnovers. For some reason the Saints just come out slow...

11-19-2003, 09:19 AM	#6
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall I tend to agree with that saintfan. I guess I just want to see the Saints offense come out throwing the ball all over the field from the start of the game and I want to fault McCarthy for not doing that. But the truth is that McCarthy\'s play calling is balanced with the run and the pass in the first half. It really does boil down to execution, or lack of, in the passing game. If the receivers would catch the ball and Brooks wouldn\'t make any bad throws, then McCarthy\'s play calling would look much better. I would still like to see McCarthy get away from running the ball so much in the first half when it isn\'t successful though. But, that\'s just me..........
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11-20-2003, 08:26 AM	#7
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Saintfan and Billy are onto the issue facing the offense. The mistakes are stalling drives and killing opportunities and with alarming frequency. This team is one of the league leaders in pre-snap penalties, these are killers and there is no excuse for them. They put you in a hole before you even have a chance to execute a play and cannot be blamed on any thing other than lack of focus. It is tough enough to make 10 yards per set of downs much less 15 or 20. I have not charted this but how often do you see these mistakes cropping up a critical points in the game as well? I know the Saints are a leader in third down conversions, but think of how many third downs you have seen blown by motion penalties, dropped passes and missed throws to wide open receivers. Better execution and McCarthy looks like a genius The madding thing is the mistakes are coming from every part of the offense. False starts by lineman and receivers add to the mix poor catching, errant passes and missed blocks and the Saints put a lot of pressure on themselves to execute longer plays in more obvious situations. The fact they over come this and play relatively error free when the pressure is on is great, but just think what we could do if we only have to fight Philly next week and not ourselves too.
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