New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall

BillyC · 11-17-2003, 02:09 PM

New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall

Monday November 17, 2003

John DeShazier

The pats on the back are becoming so much more frequent than kicks in the butt accompanied by acidic commentary, that it's hard to recall that a mere seven weeks ago, the Saints' defense was the scourge of the franchise.

Not much was pretty about the Saints then, when no area seemed a strength, and when a prolonged tailspin showed no signs of ending.

But the defense, it seemed, was the worst of what appeared to be a pretty bad team. Cohesion, none. Consistency? About as firm as applesauce for series, quarters, halves or even entire games.

Click on link for rest..........

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...5211225230.xml

BrooksMustGo · 11-17-2003, 06:20 PM

I think its about time that people publicly acknowledge that Venturi is FAR and AWAY the brains of the whole outfit.

The football genius is getting great play out of everyone but Haz\'s pet T-Sucky.

Anybody else with me on Venturi for head coach?

rich006 · 11-17-2003, 06:56 PM

Anybody else with me on Venturi for head coach?

Haven\'t we been there before (I\'m thinking at the end of the Mora era, or maybe I\'m confusing it with when he was head coach of the Colts? Somebody tell me if I\'m wrong, but wasn\'t he a disaster as head coach? Not to take anything away from the job he\'s done wiith the defense lately.

ScottyRo · 11-17-2003, 08:00 PM

Venturi may have done well enough to warrant calling him a good defense coordinator...maybe. But that doesn\'t make him a good head coach candidate. As my signature says, unless Haslet turns things around (no less than 9-7), then we should bring in a top-flight coach.

Is Venturi your uncle or something?

[Edited on 18/11/2003 by ScottyRo]

WhoDat · 11-17-2003, 08:26 PM

Because having the 18th ranked defense in the league after a TOTAL \"overhaul\" that allowed him to sign anyone he wanted and run any system in the world makes him GREAT. Venturi is poo, sorry guys, POO!

BillyC · 11-18-2003, 04:23 AM

Because having the 18th ranked defense in the league after a TOTAL \"overhaul\" that allowed him to sign anyone he wanted and run any system in the world makes him GREAT. Venturi is poo, sorry guys, POO!

First of all, the Saints defense is ranked 13th. How do you figure he could sign anyone he wanted? I thought it was called FREE agency? Free, meaning they can sign with any team they want. Remember Lawyer Milloy? He didn\'t want to play for the Saints and I\'m quite sure there were other players that we tried to sign that felt the same way. I think what you meant to say is the Saints didn\'t sign the players YOU wanted them to sign? The WhoDat propaganda machine is in full swing --

Venturi poo? WhoDat, how can you say that? This defense is a BIG part of the reason we have won the games that we have. If you don\'t want to acknowledge the fact that the defense is 13th, then surely you can acknowledge the FACT that they have won games for us this year.

As hard as you have bashed Venturi I think you should start a thread hononing the great Venturi. No love for Venturi?

P.S. -- Looking at the remaining games we have left on our schedule, I predict that the Saints defense will be ranked in the top 10 by the end of the year.

D_it_up · 11-18-2003, 10:10 AM

There are two weeks left in November. You know what that means. December is right around the corner. That\'s when we\'ll find out if the Saints defense is for real or not. Does the word \"swoon\" ring a bell? The Saints have just as much potential to make the playoffs as anyone right now, but come December we\'ll find out if they are the \"Playoff Saints\" or the \"Same Old Saints\".

BillyC · 11-18-2003, 08:26 PM

D_it_up2 -- I\'m well aware of what happend at the end of the last 2-years. I think the big difference this year is that we have a defense than can help out and is not a liability. I know that everyone is not sold on this defense, but I think there is little doubt that they are better than the defenses of the past 2-years.

Offenses tend to have more ups and downs during the course of a season than do defenses. There are just more opportunities for an offense to screw up, but defenses usually maintain more consistancy. I think with the defense we have now, that the collapses of the last 2-years will be reversed and we will see a season simular to the 2000 season. At least that\'s what I\'m hoping.

[Edited on 19/11/2003 by BillyC]

tweeky · 11-20-2003, 06:53 AM

So your both agreeing with what I said or disagreeing?
Run controls clock= Rest D till 4th quarter+ Tires opposing D = Saints Best chance of winning b/c O is good enough to win on the last drive

True, unless youRr running game continues to go 3-&-out the entire 1st half. I say we mix it up, take what the defense gives us, utilize all our weapons, and drive down the field at will.
A short completion will chew just as much clock as a 2 yard dive up the middle.

EXTRA POINTS AND KICKOFFS GIVE YOUR DEFENSE A LOT OF REST ALSO.

BillyC · 11-20-2003, 07:25 AM

Gator --

I don\'t think McCarthy is trying to control the clock and win it on the last drive. I believe McCarthy is trying to score on every drive. Saintfan is right, the lack of execution has a lot to do with the slow starts in the first half. It\'s frustrating to watch Deuce run up the middle for little or no gain in the first half, but I believe McCarthy does that to set-up the play action pass later on in the game.

Also, I believe McCarthy likes to have a balanced attack with the run and pass. If you look at the stats at the end of the first half, it\'s usually about 50% run and pass. I don\'t guess I can fault McCarthy\'s play calling, as much as I want to.

The players need to take it upon themselves to cut out the mistakes. Remember the great 49\'er offenses? The play calling wasn\'t much different. They just executed. They didn\'t hurt themselves with penalties and actually caught the ball. And yes, Montana put the ball where it was suppose to be. Brooks needs to tighten his azz up in the first half too.......

Just a little food for thought here. Below are some of the least penalyzed teams in the league. They are also some of the highest scoring teams in the league. Coniencidence? I think not. We\'ve got to reduce the penalties.....

Team/ number of penalties

St. Louis 60
Philadelphia 57
Seattle 55
Indianapolis 55
Kansas City 52
Green Bay 47

[Edited on 20/11/2003 by BillyC]

11-17-2003, 02:09 PM	#1
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Monday November 17, 2003 John DeShazier The pats on the back are becoming so much more frequent than kicks in the butt accompanied by acidic commentary, that it's hard to recall that a mere seven weeks ago, the Saints' defense was the scourge of the franchise. Not much was pretty about the Saints then, when no area seemed a strength, and when a prolonged tailspin showed no signs of ending. But the defense, it seemed, was the worst of what appeared to be a pretty bad team. Cohesion, none. Consistency? About as firm as applesauce for series, quarters, halves or even entire games. Click on link for rest.......... http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...5211225230.xml
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11-17-2003, 06:20 PM	#2
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall I think its about time that people publicly acknowledge that Venturi is FAR and AWAY the brains of the whole outfit. The football genius is getting great play out of everyone but Haz\'s pet T-Sucky. Anybody else with me on Venturi for head coach?

11-17-2003, 06:56 PM	#3
rich006 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 335	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Anybody else with me on Venturi for head coach? Haven\'t we been there before (I\'m thinking at the end of the Mora era, or maybe I\'m confusing it with when he was head coach of the Colts? Somebody tell me if I\'m wrong, but wasn\'t he a disaster as head coach? Not to take anything away from the job he\'s done wiith the defense lately.
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11-17-2003, 08:00 PM	#4
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Venturi may have done well enough to warrant calling him a good defense coordinator...maybe. But that doesn\'t make him a good head coach candidate. As my signature says, unless Haslet turns things around (no less than 9-7), then we should bring in a top-flight coach. Is Venturi your uncle or something? [Edited on 18/11/2003 by ScottyRo]

11-17-2003, 08:26 PM	#5
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Because having the 18th ranked defense in the league after a TOTAL \"overhaul\" that allowed him to sign anyone he wanted and run any system in the world makes him GREAT. Venturi is poo, sorry guys, POO!
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11-18-2003, 04:23 AM	#6
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Because having the 18th ranked defense in the league after a TOTAL \"overhaul\" that allowed him to sign anyone he wanted and run any system in the world makes him GREAT. Venturi is poo, sorry guys, POO! First of all, the Saints defense is ranked 13th. How do you figure he could sign anyone he wanted? I thought it was called FREE agency? Free, meaning they can sign with any team they want. Remember Lawyer Milloy? He didn\'t want to play for the Saints and I\'m quite sure there were other players that we tried to sign that felt the same way. I think what you meant to say is the Saints didn\'t sign the players YOU wanted them to sign? The WhoDat propaganda machine is in full swing -- Venturi poo? WhoDat, how can you say that? This defense is a BIG part of the reason we have won the games that we have. If you don\'t want to acknowledge the fact that the defense is 13th, then surely you can acknowledge the FACT that they have won games for us this year. As hard as you have bashed Venturi I think you should start a thread hononing the great Venturi. No love for Venturi? P.S. -- Looking at the remaining games we have left on our schedule, I predict that the Saints defense will be ranked in the top 10 by the end of the year.
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11-18-2003, 10:10 AM	#7
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall There are two weeks left in November. You know what that means. December is right around the corner. That\'s when we\'ll find out if the Saints defense is for real or not. Does the word \"swoon\" ring a bell? The Saints have just as much potential to make the playoffs as anyone right now, but come December we\'ll find out if they are the \"Playoff Saints\" or the \"Same Old Saints\".

11-18-2003, 08:26 PM	#8
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall D_it_up2 -- I\'m well aware of what happend at the end of the last 2-years. I think the big difference this year is that we have a defense than can help out and is not a liability. I know that everyone is not sold on this defense, but I think there is little doubt that they are better than the defenses of the past 2-years. Offenses tend to have more ups and downs during the course of a season than do defenses. There are just more opportunities for an offense to screw up, but defenses usually maintain more consistancy. I think with the defense we have now, that the collapses of the last 2-years will be reversed and we will see a season simular to the 2000 season. At least that\'s what I\'m hoping. [Edited on 19/11/2003 by BillyC]
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11-20-2003, 06:53 AM	#9
tweeky 500th Post Join Date: May 2003 Location: South Alabama Posts: 779	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall So your both agreeing with what I said or disagreeing? Run controls clock= Rest D till 4th quarter+ Tires opposing D = Saints Best chance of winning b/c O is good enough to win on the last drive True, unless youRr running game continues to go 3-&-out the entire 1st half. I say we mix it up, take what the defense gives us, utilize all our weapons, and drive down the field at will. A short completion will chew just as much clock as a 2 yard dive up the middle. EXTRA POINTS AND KICKOFFS GIVE YOUR DEFENSE A LOT OF REST ALSO.

11-20-2003, 07:25 AM	#10
BillyC Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 842	New Orleans' 'D' again riding tall Gator -- I don\'t think McCarthy is trying to control the clock and win it on the last drive. I believe McCarthy is trying to score on every drive. Saintfan is right, the lack of execution has a lot to do with the slow starts in the first half. It\'s frustrating to watch Deuce run up the middle for little or no gain in the first half, but I believe McCarthy does that to set-up the play action pass later on in the game. Also, I believe McCarthy likes to have a balanced attack with the run and pass. If you look at the stats at the end of the first half, it\'s usually about 50% run and pass. I don\'t guess I can fault McCarthy\'s play calling, as much as I want to. The players need to take it upon themselves to cut out the mistakes. Remember the great 49\'er offenses? The play calling wasn\'t much different. They just executed. They didn\'t hurt themselves with penalties and actually caught the ball. And yes, Montana put the ball where it was suppose to be. Brooks needs to tighten his azz up in the first half too....... Just a little food for thought here. Below are some of the least penalyzed teams in the league. They are also some of the highest scoring teams in the league. Coniencidence? I think not. We\'ve got to reduce the penalties..... Team/ number of penalties St. Louis 60 Philadelphia 57 Seattle 55 Indianapolis 55 Kansas City 52 Green Bay 47 [Edited on 20/11/2003 by BillyC]
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